What both sides should NOT do

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

Fine with calling trump out on his BS. It should be done whenever he lies which is all the time. But it should also be done honestly and without the hyperbole which often accompanies it. There also shouldn’t be blind obstruction toward everything and anything that might be a win for trump. That’s what the Reps did to Obama and that’s what the dems are doing to trump. If this cycle continues then nothing is ever going to get done.

If for a second that you think what the Repubs did to Obama is equal to what the Dems have done to Trump, then you are a partisan delusional spinmeister!

How so?

If ya gotta ask, you're much dumber than you look.

Why do you waste time with empty insults like this. Just answer the question and beat me with logic and intellect if you have any

Because it was a pretty stupid question. You experienced the Obama years.

I remember that Repugs voted over 50 times to abolish Obamacare, with absolutely nothing to show for it. I remember eight ridiculous Benghazi investigations that resulted in no criminal charges. I could go on, but your too dumb to keep up.

 

[pknopp]

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

Fine with calling trump out on his BS. It should be done whenever he lies which is all the time. But it should also be done honestly and without the hyperbole which often accompanies it. There also shouldn’t be blind obstruction toward everything and anything that might be a win for trump. That’s what the Reps did to Obama and that’s what the dems are doing to trump. If this cycle continues then nothing is ever going to get done.

If for a second that you think what the Repubs did to Obama is equal to what the Dems have done to Trump, then you are a partisan delusional spinmeister!

How so?

Repubs to Obama - legislative obstruction

Dems to Trump - legislative obstruction, endless Congressional investigations with a Special Prosecutor aimed at everyone around him including his family, and the constant threat of impeachment, along with a media constantly supporting all of the above.
And I haven't even gotten to the 'soft coup' by the intelligence agencies.

You are a true horse's ass for even asking!

Man, the fuck up....

How many ridiculous Benghazi investigations were there, idiot? Eight? I fucking lost count. Was anyone ever indicted?

At least the Mueller investigation has resulted in 6 Trump traitors going to jail.

Benghazi. Where we ran arms out of a foreign country to arm the terrorists in Syria.

There should have been indictments.

 

[pknopp]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!

Everything Democrats Complain About Trump Is Fixing | Rush Limbaugh | iHeartRadio


Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Poll: Socialism gaining in popularity

3 reasons why socialism is gaining popularity in America

The fact that socialism, which is the precursor to communism, is no longer scary to you is scary to me. Honestly, I am ok with Government funded healthcare and even college, JUST NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Let the states design and manage there own systems, paid for by their own citizens. Why should a huge bureaucracy in Washington DC design and manage the same system for people living in Alabama and Alaska? Each state knows their needs and can manage their own resources better. And if they get it wrong it’s much easier to fix at the state level than across the entire country.

All these socialist programs in other countries that liberals tout are much smaller in population, geography, and diversity. Yes, they are like our states. Its so obvious it hurts.

Lol....you call it "Liberalism" and 'Socialism" on the Federal level but not the state level.

All well and fine but they are still the same programs.

 

[Slade3200]

Fine with calling trump out on his BS. It should be done whenever he lies yes I did which is all the time. But it should also be done honestly and without the hyperbole which often accompanies it. There also shouldn’t be blind obstruction toward everything and anything that might be a win for trump. That’s what the Reps did to Obama and that’s what the dems are doing to trump. If this cycle continues then nothing is ever going to get done.

If for a second that you think what the Repubs did to Obama is equal to what the Dems have done to Trump, then you are a partisan delusional spinmeister!

How so?

If ya gotta ask, you're much dumber than you look.

Why do you waste time with empty insults like this. Just answer the question and beat me with logic and intellect if you have any

Because it was a pretty stupid question. You experienced the Obama years.

Yes I did experience the Obama years and asking somebody to explain what they are talking about is not a stupid question. Your petty little insult responses serve as nothing but trolling distractions. Grow up and do better

 

[BluesLegend]

More childish exaggerations. In what way do Dems want government to have control over the majority of people's lives?

Lib please we can't even take a dump without the left regulating toilets, you people are insane.

Like I said, childish exaggerations. If you can't point to specific examples, you should just hold your fire and not make a fool of yourself.

Are you a moron? Do you know the left's idiotic regulation of the amount of water we are allowed to use to flush a dump was mocked on the floor of the Senate? How much more specific do we need to be?

 

[BluesLegend]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!

Everything Democrats Complain About Trump Is Fixing | Rush Limbaugh | iHeartRadio


Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Poll: Socialism gaining in popularity

3 reasons why socialism is gaining popularity in America

What a pile of crap. Independents pick a side for fuck sake. Democrats rot in hell.

Why are you so adamant about being a puppet and playing the team game? We all have brains. They are meant to be used.

We are going to give you people another beating in 2020 then mock you again after.

Ok mr puppet, thanks for sharing

Your posts have the typical zero value. Find a new hobby.

 

[Slade3200]

I,6

I’m not a fan of president Trump, he is an entertainer and should be in that arena not a position of esteem or leadership... however I can’t agree with your assessment. All that does is validate the tit for tat that bounces right back once the dems gain power. The socialist hyperbole then takes over and it’s all about obstruction to save America from becoming Venezuela. The end result is nothing gets done. You are in the minority and the opposition party right now. You should act in a way that you’d like the republicans to act once your party is in power and they are the minority.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

Fine with calling trump out on his BS. It should be done whenever he lies which is all the time. But it should also be done honestly and without the hyperbole which often accompanies it. There also shouldn’t be blind obstruction toward everything and anything that might be a win for trump. That’s what the Reps did to Obama and that’s what the dems are doing to trump. If this cycle continues then nothing is ever going to get done.

If for a second that you think what the Repubs did to Obama is equal to what the Dems have done to Trump, then you are a partisan delusional spinmeister!

How so?

Repubs to Obama - legislative obstruction

Dems to Trump - legislative obstruction, endless Congressional investigations with a Special Prosecutor aimed at everyone around him including his family, and the constant threat of impeachment, along with a media constantly supporting all of the above.
And I haven't even gotten to the 'soft coup' by the intelligence agencies.

You are a true horse's ass for even asking!

Man, the fuck up....

”Man the fuck up”?! What the help does that even mean??

You forgot three things... 1. Benghazi (over politicized investigations) 2. Garland (powerplay to block a presidents right to nominate a SCOTUS) 3. Dems didn’t start investigations into Trump nor did they assign the special prosecutor. Those were Republicans in Trumps administration

 

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

More childish exaggerations. In what way do Dems want government to have control over the majority of people's lives?

Lib please we can't even take a dump without the left regulating toilets, you people are insane.

Like I said, childish exaggerations. If you can't point to specific examples, you should just hold your fire and not make a fool of yourself.

Are you a moron? Do you know the left's idiotic regulation of the amount of water we are allowed to use to flush a dump was mocked on the floor of the Senate? How much more specific do we need to be?

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

This is typical of you small-minded Repugs...you whine about petty little things that mean very little in the grand scheme of things. However, you completely ignore the Repugs' desire to gut critical environmental laws that affect your health and your family's health.

You are just a sad little unsophisticated Repug idiot. Seriously.

 

[BluesLegend]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

 

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

Yep, keep laughing as Trump destroys the EPA and your meaningless life is shortened as a result.

 

[BluesLegend]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

Yep, keep laughing as Trump destroys the EPA and your meaningless life is shortened as a result.

Don't deflect. Democrats are destroying public waterways with their filth. What are you filthy polluters going to do about it? You have been fouling public waterways for decades.

 

[Slade3200]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

Yep, keep laughing as Trump destroys the EPA and your meaningless life is shortened as a result.

Don't deflect. Democrats are destroying public waterways with their filth. What are you filthy polluters going to do about it? You have been fouling public waterways for decades.

Are you trying to spin the responsibility of waste management to dems because they run cities? You don’t think the over saturated high populations in these areas has anything to do with it?

 

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

Yep, keep laughing as Trump destroys the EPA and your meaningless life is shortened as a result.

Don't deflect. Democrats are destroying public waterways with their filth. What are you filthy polluters going to do about it? You have been fouling public waterways for decades.

Are you trying to spin the responsibility of waste management to dems because they run cities? You don’t think the over saturated high populations in these areas has anything to do with it?

Yes, I guess only Democrats are responsible for waste management and maintaining water supplies. I guess there are no Republican mayors or governors. I do not understand this idiot's point.

 

[Disir]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!




Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Your point of view is misguided. Here's why - you should NEVER try to normalize a racist, dangerous bully like Trump. Yes, we liberals despise Trump and he should be called out on his hateful bullshit ever single day of his disastrous Presidency.

And do you really think Dems are going to be able to work with Repugs to get any legislation passed? Were you asleep during Obama's presidency?

Regardless, trying to have a high-minded legislative policy debate when we have a fascist in the White House is absolutely pointless. Everything takes a back seat to removing Trump. No progress can be made in this country until his evil ass is gone.

I’m not a fan of president Trump, he is an entertainer and should be in that arena not a position of esteem or leadership... however I can’t agree with your assessment. All that does is validate the tit for tat that bounces right back once the dems gain power. The socialist hyperbole then takes over and it’s all about obstruction to save America from becoming Venezuela. The end result is nothing gets done. You are in the minority and the opposition party right now. You should act in a way that you’d like the republicans to act once your party is in power and they are the minority.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

It sounds like you're the one who doesn't believe in democracy. Trump was elected President.

What's your point? So Trump should be allowed to make racists comments every day, because he was elected President? He should do nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections?

Pelosi and the Dems are going to regret not impeaching this menace.

First off they can’t impeach him... second don’t you think it’s a more powerful and healthy statement for him to be kicked out of office by the American people in an election and not by the opposition party? Impeachment makes him a martyr and ensures a political civil war beyond what we’ve ever seen. Why would you want that?

The Dems most certainly can impeach Trump. They just won't be able to remove him from office because they will never get enough spineless Repubs in the Senate to support it.

If the Dems do not impeach Trump, then they are setting a dangerous precedent that future presidents' reckless, dangerous, anti-democratic behavior will also go unpunished. If Trump isn't impeached, then on what grounds can a president EVER be impeached in the future?

Impeachment is the only instrument that Congress has to hold Trump accountable. Shame on the Dems if they fail to use it, even if Trump ultimately remains in office. The Dems should force the spineless Repubs in the Senate to go on the record during an impeachment trial and say that Trump should remain in office, despite all of his crimes. There may actually be a few surprises where some Repubs do the right thing and vote for removing Trump from office.

Impeachment does not make Trump a martyr. How can it, when 55% - 60% of Americans already know Trump is a racist, bullying asshole? If anything, it makes the Dems looks extremely small and weak if they don't impeach, allowing Trump to get away with this behavior. This country is already as divided as it's going to get, that argument holds no weight.

Yes, I will be thrilled if Trump is defeated next year. However, there is no guarantee that it will be a fair election with Putin intent on getting Trump re-elected. Not to mention all of the voter suppression tactics that Repugs have become very adept at. And Trump has a built-in advantage with the Electoral College, just like in 2016.

Sorry man, I totally disagree. The impeachment case is weak and dependent on obstruction charges for a crime that he wasn’t found guilty of. The Dems need to put more energy into coming up with better ideas to help our country and then win the election so they can implement them.

Please don’t repeat that Putin election nonsense... that talking point is not going to serve you well.

I agree with every post you have made on this thread. Every one of them. What has become normalized is that the Democratic Party does not have a plan and has nothing to say. They have become a waste of time. Trump either leaves in 2020 or he doesn't. At this point, it's looking like he won't be.

 

[BluesLegend]

Let's see...I should consider this horrific transgression vs Trump's and the Repugs' desire to repeal/seriously weaken the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act.

LMAO clean water??? Its you Democrats who spill hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public waterways from your broke ass sewer systems in Dem run cities. They just announced more beach and swimming closures due to another million gallons you morons spilled last week. Now talk to me again about clean water you ill informed libtard. This is where you squeal like a stuck pig and run away.

Yep, keep laughing as Trump destroys the EPA and your meaningless life is shortened as a result.

Don't deflect. Democrats are destroying public waterways with their filth. What are you filthy polluters going to do about it? You have been fouling public waterways for decades.

Are you trying to spin the responsibility of waste management to dems because they run cities? You don’t think the over saturated high populations in these areas has anything to do with it?

Fine lets discuss one of these Dem polluters, Portland, OR. Instead of fixing their 100 year old sewage system they spend all their money on liberal pie in the sky crap like bike lanes and light rail. BILLIONS of dollars have been wasted on light rail alone. Meanwhile they spill their urine and feces into a major river so fouling the river you can't touch the water let alone swim or fish in it.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!

Everything Democrats Complain About Trump Is Fixing | Rush Limbaugh | iHeartRadio


Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Poll: Socialism gaining in popularity

3 reasons why socialism is gaining popularity in America

The fact that socialism, which is the precursor to communism, is no longer scary to you is scary to me. Honestly, I am ok with Government funded healthcare and even college, JUST NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Let the states design and manage there own systems, paid for by their own citizens. Why should a huge bureaucracy in Washington DC design and manage the same system for people living in Alabama and Alaska? Each state knows their needs and can manage their own resources better. And if they get it wrong it’s much easier to fix at the state level than across the entire country.

All these socialist programs in other countries that liberals tout are much smaller in population, geography, and diversity. Yes, they are like our states. Its so obvious it hurts.

Lol....you call it "Liberalism" and 'Socialism" on the Federal level but not the state level.

All well and fine but they are still the same programs.

Lol, I call it socialism at any level (read my post again). I am just more open to supporting it at lower levels of government with smaller and more homogeneous populations.

 

[pknopp]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!

Everything Democrats Complain About Trump Is Fixing | Rush Limbaugh | iHeartRadio


Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Poll: Socialism gaining in popularity

3 reasons why socialism is gaining popularity in America

The fact that socialism, which is the precursor to communism, is no longer scary to you is scary to me. Honestly, I am ok with Government funded healthcare and even college, JUST NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Let the states design and manage there own systems, paid for by their own citizens. Why should a huge bureaucracy in Washington DC design and manage the same system for people living in Alabama and Alaska? Each state knows their needs and can manage their own resources better. And if they get it wrong it’s much easier to fix at the state level than across the entire country.

All these socialist programs in other countries that liberals tout are much smaller in population, geography, and diversity. Yes, they are like our states. Its so obvious it hurts.

Lol....you call it "Liberalism" and 'Socialism" on the Federal level but not the state level.

All well and fine but they are still the same programs.

Lol, I call it socialism at any level (read my post again). I am just more open to supporting it at lower levels of government with smaller and more homogeneous populations.

Fine, you are open to "Socialist" programs. Despite the gnashing of teeth, most people are.

 

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!




Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Your point of view is misguided. Here's why - you should NEVER try to normalize a racist, dangerous bully like Trump. Yes, we liberals despise Trump and he should be called out on his hateful bullshit ever single day of his disastrous Presidency.

And do you really think Dems are going to be able to work with Repugs to get any legislation passed? Were you asleep during Obama's presidency?

Regardless, trying to have a high-minded legislative policy debate when we have a fascist in the White House is absolutely pointless. Everything takes a back seat to removing Trump. No progress can be made in this country until his evil ass is gone.

I’m not a fan of president Trump, he is an entertainer and should be in that arena not a position of esteem or leadership... however I can’t agree with your assessment. All that does is validate the tit for tat that bounces right back once the dems gain power. The socialist hyperbole then takes over and it’s all about obstruction to save America from becoming Venezuela. The end result is nothing gets done. You are in the minority and the opposition party right now. You should act in a way that you’d like the republicans to act once your party is in power and they are the minority.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

It sounds like you're the one who doesn't believe in democracy. Trump was elected President.

What's your point? So Trump should be allowed to make racists comments every day, because he was elected President? He should do nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections?

Pelosi and the Dems are going to regret not impeaching this menace.

First off they can’t impeach him... second don’t you think it’s a more powerful and healthy statement for him to be kicked out of office by the American people in an election and not by the opposition party? Impeachment makes him a martyr and ensures a political civil war beyond what we’ve ever seen. Why would you want that?

The Dems most certainly can impeach Trump. They just won't be able to remove him from office because they will never get enough spineless Repubs in the Senate to support it.

If the Dems do not impeach Trump, then they are setting a dangerous precedent that future presidents' reckless, dangerous, anti-democratic behavior will also go unpunished. If Trump isn't impeached, then on what grounds can a president EVER be impeached in the future?

Impeachment is the only instrument that Congress has to hold Trump accountable. Shame on the Dems if they fail to use it, even if Trump ultimately remains in office. The Dems should force the spineless Repubs in the Senate to go on the record during an impeachment trial and say that Trump should remain in office, despite all of his crimes. There may actually be a few surprises where some Repubs do the right thing and vote for removing Trump from office.

Impeachment does not make Trump a martyr. How can it, when 55% - 60% of Americans already know Trump is a racist, bullying asshole? If anything, it makes the Dems looks extremely small and weak if they don't impeach, allowing Trump to get away with this behavior. This country is already as divided as it's going to get, that argument holds no weight.

Yes, I will be thrilled if Trump is defeated next year. However, there is no guarantee that it will be a fair election with Putin intent on getting Trump re-elected. Not to mention all of the voter suppression tactics that Repugs have become very adept at. And Trump has a built-in advantage with the Electoral College, just like in 2016.

Sorry man, I totally disagree. The impeachment case is weak and dependent on obstruction charges for a crime that he wasn’t found guilty of. The Dems need to put more energy into coming up with better ideas to help our country and then win the election so they can implement them.

Please don’t repeat that Putin election nonsense... that talking point is not going to serve you well.

I agree with every post you have made on this thread. Every one of them. What has become normalized is that the Democratic Party does not have a plan and has nothing to say. They have become a waste of time. Trump either leaves in 2020 or he doesn't. At this point, it's looking like he won't be.

I appreciate that, thank you. I agree that Pelosi and the Democratic Party are setting us up for disaster in 2020. If they don't take the moral high ground and impeach Trump, then they are going to depress voter turnout among Democrats. Why vote for a party that legitimately criticizes Trump's crimes, yet refuses to take a stand when they hold the moral high ground? How spineless is that? As a liberal, this is very demoralizing to me.

And we have no idea how much damage Russia might cause during the 2020 election, which is another reason we should begin impeachment now.

Pelosi and the Democratic leadership do not understand that it's a bigger risk NOT to impeach Trump. They simply do not understand the urgency and the threat posed to our democracy by Trump and Putin.

 

[pknopp]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT:

As both sides gear up for the 2020 election, here is what each side should NOT do:

Democrats - Stop bitching about Donald Trump. I don't agree with everything Rush Limbaugh says, but he is correct in pointing out Democrats do that more complaining about Trump than they do anything else - including legislation regarding our infrastructure, national debt, healthcare, education, military veterans etc. Democrats need to seek bipartisan legislation with Republicans, rather than insisting on having things their own way. If all the Democrats can do is bitch about Trump, they will get their butts kicked again, and deservedly so!




Republicans - Stop using socialism as a scare tactic: It's not working anymore, especially among women, today over half of women would prefer to live in a socialist country, while a majority of men would prefer to live in a capitalist one (and socialism is growing in popularity among men too!) The reasons for this is healthcare and education, 2 things America cannot - or will not - provide for its citizens. The GOP can try this scare tactic of course, but socialism is becoming more popular, it's not so scary anymore.

Your point of view is misguided. Here's why - you should NEVER try to normalize a racist, dangerous bully like Trump. Yes, we liberals despise Trump and he should be called out on his hateful bullshit ever single day of his disastrous Presidency.

And do you really think Dems are going to be able to work with Repugs to get any legislation passed? Were you asleep during Obama's presidency?

Regardless, trying to have a high-minded legislative policy debate when we have a fascist in the White House is absolutely pointless. Everything takes a back seat to removing Trump. No progress can be made in this country until his evil ass is gone.

I’m not a fan of president Trump, he is an entertainer and should be in that arena not a position of esteem or leadership... however I can’t agree with your assessment. All that does is validate the tit for tat that bounces right back once the dems gain power. The socialist hyperbole then takes over and it’s all about obstruction to save America from becoming Venezuela. The end result is nothing gets done. You are in the minority and the opposition party right now. You should act in a way that you’d like the republicans to act once your party is in power and they are the minority.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

What's your point? So Trump should be allowed to make racists comments every day, because he was elected President? He should do nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections?

Pelosi and the Dems are going to regret not impeaching this menace.

First off they can’t impeach him... second don’t you think it’s a more powerful and healthy statement for him to be kicked out of office by the American people in an election and not by the opposition party? Impeachment makes him a martyr and ensures a political civil war beyond what we’ve ever seen. Why would you want that?

The Dems most certainly can impeach Trump. They just won't be able to remove him from office because they will never get enough spineless Repubs in the Senate to support it.

If the Dems do not impeach Trump, then they are setting a dangerous precedent that future presidents' reckless, dangerous, anti-democratic behavior will also go unpunished. If Trump isn't impeached, then on what grounds can a president EVER be impeached in the future?

Impeachment is the only instrument that Congress has to hold Trump accountable. Shame on the Dems if they fail to use it, even if Trump ultimately remains in office. The Dems should force the spineless Repubs in the Senate to go on the record during an impeachment trial and say that Trump should remain in office, despite all of his crimes. There may actually be a few surprises where some Repubs do the right thing and vote for removing Trump from office.

Impeachment does not make Trump a martyr. How can it, when 55% - 60% of Americans already know Trump is a racist, bullying asshole? If anything, it makes the Dems looks extremely small and weak if they don't impeach, allowing Trump to get away with this behavior. This country is already as divided as it's going to get, that argument holds no weight.

Yes, I will be thrilled if Trump is defeated next year. However, there is no guarantee that it will be a fair election with Putin intent on getting Trump re-elected. Not to mention all of the voter suppression tactics that Repugs have become very adept at. And Trump has a built-in advantage with the Electoral College, just like in 2016.

Sorry man, I totally disagree. The impeachment case is weak and dependent on obstruction charges for a crime that he wasn’t found guilty of. The Dems need to put more energy into coming up with better ideas to help our country and then win the election so they can implement them.

Please don’t repeat that Putin election nonsense... that talking point is not going to serve you well.

I agree with every post you have made on this thread. Every one of them. What has become normalized is that the Democratic Party does not have a plan and has nothing to say. They have become a waste of time. Trump either leaves in 2020 or he doesn't. At this point, it's looking like he won't be.

I appreciate that, thank you. I agree that Pelosi and the Democratic Party are setting us up for disaster in 2020. If they don't take the moral high ground and impeach Trump, then they are going to depress voter turnout among Democrats. Why vote for a party that legitimately criticizes Trump's crimes, yet refuses to take a stand when they hold the moral high ground? How spineless is that? As a liberal, this is very demoralizing to me.

And we have no idea how much damage Russia might cause during the 2020 election, which is another reason we should begin impeachment now.

Pelosi and the Democratic leadership do not understand that it's a bigger risk NOT to impeach Trump. They simply do not understand the urgency and the threat posed to our democracy by Trump and Putin.

I don't think you understand how impeachment works.

 

[Moscow Mitch McTraitor]

Your point of view is misguided. Here's why - you should NEVER try to normalize a racist, dangerous bully like Trump. Yes, we liberals despise Trump and he should be called out on his hateful bullshit ever single day of his disastrous Presidency.

And do you really think Dems are going to be able to work with Repugs to get any legislation passed? Were you asleep during Obama's presidency?

Regardless, trying to have a high-minded legislative policy debate when we have a fascist in the White House is absolutely pointless. Everything takes a back seat to removing Trump. No progress can be made in this country until his evil ass is gone.

I’m not a fan of president Trump, he is an entertainer and should be in that arena not a position of esteem or leadership... however I can’t agree with your assessment. All that does is validate the tit for tat that bounces right back once the dems gain power. The socialist hyperbole then takes over and it’s all about obstruction to save America from becoming Venezuela. The end result is nothing gets done. You are in the minority and the opposition party right now. You should act in a way that you’d like the republicans to act once your party is in power and they are the minority.

I respectfully disagree. It's not "tit for tat" to call-out Trump on his racist, bullying, and traitorous behavior. If you fail to do that every day, then you are normalizing his egregious behavior and making it acceptable.

There is no more Republican Party. They have sat silently as Trump constantly makes racist, bullying comments and as he does nothing to prevent Russia from interfering in future elections. They have completely disgraced themselves.

There is now only a fascist, evil Trump Party. And the Dems should not cooperate with the fascists in the Trump Party if they ever take back control of Congress and the White House. You don't cooperate with fascists who don't believe in democracy.

First off they can’t impeach him... second don’t you think it’s a more powerful and healthy statement for him to be kicked out of office by the American people in an election and not by the opposition party? Impeachment makes him a martyr and ensures a political civil war beyond what we’ve ever seen. Why would you want that?

The Dems most certainly can impeach Trump. They just won't be able to remove him from office because they will never get enough spineless Repubs in the Senate to support it.

If the Dems do not impeach Trump, then they are setting a dangerous precedent that future presidents' reckless, dangerous, anti-democratic behavior will also go unpunished. If Trump isn't impeached, then on what grounds can a president EVER be impeached in the future?

Impeachment is the only instrument that Congress has to hold Trump accountable. Shame on the Dems if they fail to use it, even if Trump ultimately remains in office. The Dems should force the spineless Repubs in the Senate to go on the record during an impeachment trial and say that Trump should remain in office, despite all of his crimes. There may actually be a few surprises where some Repubs do the right thing and vote for removing Trump from office.

Impeachment does not make Trump a martyr. How can it, when 55% - 60% of Americans already know Trump is a racist, bullying asshole? If anything, it makes the Dems looks extremely small and weak if they don't impeach, allowing Trump to get away with this behavior. This country is already as divided as it's going to get, that argument holds no weight.

Yes, I will be thrilled if Trump is defeated next year. However, there is no guarantee that it will be a fair election with Putin intent on getting Trump re-elected. Not to mention all of the voter suppression tactics that Repugs have become very adept at. And Trump has a built-in advantage with the Electoral College, just like in 2016.

Sorry man, I totally disagree. The impeachment case is weak and dependent on obstruction charges for a crime that he wasn’t found guilty of. The Dems need to put more energy into coming up with better ideas to help our country and then win the election so they can implement them.

Please don’t repeat that Putin election nonsense... that talking point is not going to serve you well.

I agree with every post you have made on this thread. Every one of them. What has become normalized is that the Democratic Party does not have a plan and has nothing to say. They have become a waste of time. Trump either leaves in 2020 or he doesn't. At this point, it's looking like he won't be.

I appreciate that, thank you. I agree that Pelosi and the Democratic Party are setting us up for disaster in 2020. If they don't take the moral high ground and impeach Trump, then they are going to depress voter turnout among Democrats. Why vote for a party that legitimately criticizes Trump's crimes, yet refuses to take a stand when they hold the moral high ground? How spineless is that? As a liberal, this is very demoralizing to me.

And we have no idea how much damage Russia might cause during the 2020 election, which is another reason we should begin impeachment now.

Pelosi and the Democratic leadership do not understand that it's a bigger risk NOT to impeach Trump. They simply do not understand the urgency and the threat posed to our democracy by Trump and Putin.

I don't think you understand how impeachment works.

I certainly do. Even if Trump isn't removed from office due to the spineless Repugs in the Senate, Democrats need to take a stand and fight for what they believe. It's put up or shut up time.