What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[busybee01]

So you’re equating bank robbers to people who want a better life for their children by crossing a border? God you’re fucking stupid.

The bank robber wants the same thing.

Bank robbery is a felony.

Being here illegally is one misdemeanor count. Parents who have completed their sentence should be reunited with their children.

Then I have a solution to our problem. Make coming here illegal a felony and then take away the kids.

That's not a solution, dope. It certainly does nothing to address the current problem.

Here's the solution......

I'll bet you had relatives from Nazi Germany.

 

[koshergrl]

But TK...you are still missing the point.

No, I'm not. I see the issue quite clearly. All in all, this is unfair to the child. No child should have to experience the trauma of being taken away from their parents. However, the parents are selfish for putting their child through that kind of trauma in the first place.

Are the parents being selfish or are they showing how much they love their children. They are willing to take a chance to escape violence. That does not give us the right to terrorize the children.

No...they are willing to risk kids' lives to perpetrate a crime so they can benefit financially. That is called child trafficking.

 

[busybee01]

Commies use children without compassion. I know exactly who the commies are.

You are advocating using children to punish the parents even if it hurts the children. Commie.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The bank robber wants the same thing.

Bank robbery is a felony.

Being here illegally is one misdemeanor count. Parents who have completed their sentence should be reunited with their children.

Then I have a solution to our problem. Make coming here illegal a felony and then take away the kids.

That's not a solution, dope. It certainly does nothing to address the current problem.

Here's the solution......

I'll bet you had relatives from Nazi Germany.

Nah...I'm of Dutch heritage.

 

[koshergrl]

Commies use children without compassion. I know exactly who the commies are.

You are advocating using children to punish the parents even if it hurts the children. Commie.

No you baby trafficking pig. I am advocating protecting children from the people who traffic them. you are protecting traffickers and are willing to leave children with the people who sell and abuse them.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Commies use children without compassion. I know exactly who the commies are.

You are advocating using children to punish the parents even if it hurts the children. Commie.

Yet it's okay for the meat puppet faggot ....

 

[busybee01]

You are using children as hostages. You are no different than terrorists.

And the left is not???

You are the one who wants to treat children as criminals.

And you are the one that wants to encourage people to come here and use them as pawns.

You are the one who admits you want to terrorize children as a deterrent. I want the family treated the way a pro-family conservative should want until their case is heard.

 

[busybee01]

That shows what a racist you are. You are either pro-family or you are not. There is no in-between.

And you are either pro-laws or you're not.

This has nothing to do with laws. There is no law that says that children should be separated from their parents.

We had 160,000 PARENT-LESS children rush the S. border from Central America between 2013 and 2015. They were put into cages until they could be WAREHOUSED in abandoned gyms and army barracks for another year. Til Uncle Sam could FIND relatives or adoptions. Uncle Sam also sucks greatly at running that kind of orphanage. Wasn't for lack of MONEY -- it cost about $260/day.

And at that density, the kids were mixed in with gang infected members and other bad elements.

Border Agents CAN separate children until they get PROOF of family relationships. They also do it because the group ACCOMMODATIONS don't allow for the SAFETY of those children mixed in with all the other "unknowns". It's not a boarding house. Uncle Sam also does not not design boarding houses.

There is no law that requires that and whether they can will be determined by the courts. We should be taking the best interests of the child into account until their status is determined. Uncle Sam needs to find facilities for them. Terrorizing the children is not the answer.

How the fuck do you terrorize a child when their parents not only caused it but committed a crime to do so?

That does not give you the right to terrorize and mistreat children.

 

[OKTexas]

The parents are responsible for anything that happens to the kids, they put them in the situation.


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We hold law enforcement to the same standards we hold everyone else. The people who are implementing this policy are responsible and should be held legally liable. Take your trash elsewhere.

Who said they're not?


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When Trump is kicked out, he needs to be arrested along with his enablers of this barbaric policy. That is when accountability starts.

For what, doing what he swore to do, I don't think so. LMAO


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Where did he swear to terrorize children.

He didn't and he's not, you're just a lying scumbag. Trump is the top federal law enforcement officer, he swore to uphold the law. That's what he's doing. You don't like it, tough shit.


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[busybee01]

Is anybody else wondering why busy bee is a child trafficking advocate?

I am advocating for families you worthless piece of shit. Apparently you don't have a brain in your head. If these were traffickers they wouldn't be in detention.

 

[OKTexas]

Who said they're not?


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When Trump is kicked out, he needs to be arrested along with his enablers of this barbaric policy. That is when accountability starts.

For what, doing what he swore to do, I don't think so. LMAO


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Where did he swear to terrorize children.

He didn't and he's not, you're just a lying scumbag. Trump is the top federal law enforcement officer, he swore to uphold the law. That's what he's doing. You don't like it, tough shit.


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You are the lying scumbag you worthless piece of shit. Where is the law that requires children to be separated from their parents.

It's been stated several times now, the courts ordered it. Children can't be held with adults. Period, end of story.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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[busybee01]

"...those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data." And a lot of them are gang members themselves.

"...the department’s office of refugee resettlement began voluntarily making the calls as a 30-day follow-up to make sure that the children and their sponsors did not require additional services. Those calls, which the office does not view as required, Mr. Hargan said, are now “being used to confuse and spread misinformation.”

In many cases, the statement said, sponsors cannot be reached because “they themselves are illegal aliens and do not want to be reached by federal authorities.”
Did the Trump Administration Separate Immigrant Children From Parents and Lose Them?

The left has trafficked gang members and criminals into the US, and now that they've *disappeared* they want to blame Trump?

Fucking ludicrous.

What happens is people show up with kids that aren't theirs, or that they're using as mules, and we remove the kids for their own safety.

Of course the left doesn't like that. Children are disposable, and are supposed to be used by adults to get over the border. The left embraces trafficking, and is going to squawk when you protect children. They always have.

“As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,”

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

That is so much bullshit and trash like you know it. The Trump people are separating children from their parents. They know it is wrong because they are blaming democrats for it. This is happening more than occasionally.

Got anymore BULLSHIT.

So where were you when barry was doing the exact same thing?
Not a fuken peep out of you.

Trump is the one separating children from their parents not Obama. You are a fucken liar.

‘Caged migrant children’ go viral… until picture turns out taken under Obama, not Trump

Sessions: Parents, children entering U.S. illegally will be separated

 

[busybee01]

When Trump is kicked out, he needs to be arrested along with his enablers of this barbaric policy. That is when accountability starts.

For what, doing what he swore to do, I don't think so. LMAO


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Where did he swear to terrorize children.

He didn't and he's not, you're just a lying scumbag. Trump is the top federal law enforcement officer, he swore to uphold the law. That's what he's doing. You don't like it, tough shit.


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You are the lying scumbag you worthless piece of shit. Where is the law that requires children to be separated from their parents.

It's been stated several times now, the courts ordered it. Children can't be held with adults. Period, end of story.


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The courts have not ordered anything. Trump and Sessions ordered it.

Sessions: Parents, children entering U.S. illegally will be separated

 

[koshergrl]

Is anybody else wondering why busy bee is a child trafficking advocate?

I am advocating for families you worthless piece of shit. Apparently you don't have a brain in your head. If these were traffickers they wouldn't be in detention.

No you are defending human trafficking.

 

[koshergrl]

Yup if you engage in smuggling children we will rescue the child.

 

[OKTexas]

For what, doing what he swore to do, I don't think so. LMAO


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Where did he swear to terrorize children.

He didn't and he's not, you're just a lying scumbag. Trump is the top federal law enforcement officer, he swore to uphold the law. That's what he's doing. You don't like it, tough shit.


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You are the lying scumbag you worthless piece of shit. Where is the law that requires children to be separated from their parents.

It's been stated several times now, the courts ordered it. Children can't be held with adults. Period, end of story.


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The courts have not ordered anything. Trump and Sessions ordered it.

Sessions: Parents, children entering U.S. illegally will be separated

You missed the edit.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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[protectionist]

But what about the effect of the policy on the children themselves? Is there a point at which punishing the parents for their behavior becomes punishing the kids? You see every argument turns into something like “the parents deserve it because they did wrong”...ok....let’s accept that now for the sake of the argument. But do the kids deserve it?

So where do you suggest the kids go, when their parents are in jail ?

 

[protectionist]

No one is going to jail for crossing the border unless they are a convicted felon. There is no reason for separating children from their parents. You cannot compare major felonies with crossing the border illegally.

Birthright citizenship is not false. A plain reading of the Amendment does support what the courts have said. If he didn't like it then he should have written it better.

Crossing the border EWI is a crime. It carries a 6 month federal prison penalty (1st offense) and 2 year prison penalties for subsequent offenses.

Birthright citizenship for kids of foreigners is false. The 14th amendment's intention is to give BC to kids of Americans, but not to foreigners.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I believe you are wrong. There were no mothers in the 2014 photos I saw. Do you have a link?

Do you mean the photos currently being circulated again of huge numbers of children in crowded conditions? 2014 saw a flood of unaccompanied minors Surge in unaccompanied child immigrants spurs White House reaction

The children traveled unaccompanied by parents.

Do you have a link proving children were detained with their parents under the previous administration? I don't think they were, as it is against our law and has been long before Trump. I think you are referring to "catch and release," where everyone is just let go with a court date. That clearly didn't work, so now we are going to try enforcing our laws. There's this thing we need to fix, though. Trump doesn't like it, you don't like it, much of America doesn't like it. Congress should address this issue, as Trump is suggesting/whining/calling for, as it is their job.

U.S. is separating immigrant parents and children to discourage others, activists say

When family detention centers are full, which they are, what do we do other than catch & release. Catch & release is a failure. Congress needs to either accommodate the influx of reduce the influx. It's their job, not Trump's. Trump is even calling for them to fix it because catch & release failed. We are now going to enforce our laws by detaining unknowns illegally crossing our borders. Are you suggesting we continue catch & release? Are you suggesting we build more family detention centers? Are you suggesting there's no problem? Ending catch & release is good, IMO. We need to find some way to protect children as much as possible. I am open to options.

Why do we have family detention centers? They should be nothing more than a bus stop where they wait for a ride back to Mexico. We take them over the border and drop them off for Mexico to deal with. It’s not our problem.

Did it occur to you that they might not be Mexican, either?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I am sure that the lesson will be learned. Next time, the kids will choose better parents....

Or maybe become better parents when they have children. It'll be one helluva long shot with them being from Central America, but at least
we would have done our part.

If they could choose better parents next time around, here's hoping they
choose Democrats. They won't be faced with this type of a problem
then. They'll have been aborted 6 months before delivery date.

Can't stay on topic? Short attention span?

I answered your question. I assumed that would be classified as
staying on topic.

The topic is abortion? Damn! There must be something wrong with my computer. Mine says it is about controlling illegal immigration!

Well if those illegals had abortions then there would be no illegal kids.

End of conversation, Sly. This is a "No trolling zone".