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If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
rump invoking executive privilege when the documents were generated during the Bush 43 administration?

Maybe because he knows if he lets these loose progs and Dems will request things involving him?

When you make your life's work trying to remove a man from office, you really think he is going to volunteer things to set a precedent?
 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

The thing is the only way the public will know is if they are released or leaked....
 

May have? And that was in 2015? Turned out "may have" was not. :lol:

You said the server was illegally placed. The old supposition ("may have violated") you posted doesn't support your claim.

I just cited a few of them. that you don't believe them or want to play word games of illegality vs. Criminality shows all you have is chutzpah as a defense.

None of what someone else cited said her server was illegally placed as you claimed. There was nothing illegal in her use or placement of a private server.
and that is the core flaw that needs to be addressed. no one should be allowed to send gov e-mail through a private server, then we don't have these "misunderstandings".

It was after her tenure as SOS. She didn’t break any rules by using a private server. Nor did Rice when she did it or Powell when he did it.
 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.

Than why withhold them? What is he and Trump hiding?

That doesn't answer my question.

Don't be a knucklehead; the entire record not only case records cherry picked.

And again, were the type of records the Dems are whining about ever asked for in other confirmations?

Yes, the Republicans demanded and received Elena Kagen's White House records from her time in the Clinton White House.

Nice try.
 
You didn't read the link at all...that's what's funny. If you want to stay ignorant, that's on you.
oh lord dude - stop being stupid. of course i read it - where do you think i got this quote?

WHAT'S TRUE
Nancy Pelosi did utter the words attributed to her about the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

FROM YOUR OWN DAMN ARTICLE THAT SAYS SHE SAID IT.

now if you want to pretend she meant something else that isn't the same as the claim you made that she never said it.

Did you read farther than that? She did not say they, the legislators, had to pass it to read it. In context she was saying that the American people would find out all that was in it when it was passed, not that the legislators would have to pass it before they could read it. You often try to be an honest broker...try it now.
i already said she likely meant something else - but if you read back - YOU SAID she NEVER SAID THE WORDS then gave me a snopes article which said she did BUT...

so - she said 'em. that part is not up for debate.

She never said the words you claimed nor the intent you inferred.
yes. she did. now as for what she meant, i know very few who are qualified to know what the hell pelosi means. but if you're trying to tell me the american people had to pass it to see what is in it, then pray tell, when do the american people vote on such measures directly?

i'll wait for a good answer for this one.

She did not use the words you originally claimed and we know what she meant when it is said in context. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-context-behind-nancy-pelosis-famous-we-have-to-pass-the-bill-quote/

And... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.v...itics/2017/3/18/14957708/pelosi-pass-the-bill
 
Do any of you fellow travelers of Trump and the Republican Party recall McConnell's response to President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court?

The dishonest and hypocrisy in your posts disgusts me. Of course you are not alone, but that is no excuse for this blatant example of partisan hackery.

Attacking Democrats is in your collective DNA. Why? Only each one of you know.

In my opinion there are three reasons why working men and women vote for Republicans: Guns, Greed and Bigotry.
 
Do any of you fellow travelers of Trump and the Republican Party recall McConnell's response to President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court?

The dishonest and hypocrisy in your posts disgusts me. Of course you are not alone, but that is no excuse for this blatant example of partisan hackery.

Attacking Democrats is in your collective DNA. Why? Only each one of you know.

In my opinion there are three reasons why working men and women vote for Republicans: Guns, Greed and Bigotry.
So take a long walk off of the side of the Golden Gate Bridge and cleanse yourself of your disgust, clear your head then come out and make your best arguments.
 
Do any of you fellow travelers of Trump and the Republican Party recall McConnell's response to President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court?

The dishonest and hypocrisy in your posts disgusts me. Of course you are not alone, but that is no excuse for this blatant example of partisan hackery.

Attacking Democrats is in your collective DNA. Why? Only each one of you know.

In my opinion there are three reasons why working men and women vote for Republicans: Guns, Greed and Bigotry.
in my opinion, only idiots stereotype to this degree. you limit any knowledge you'll ever have of someone by only allowing yourself such a narrow view on people.
 
So you are saying breaking security rules (which are enacted via law) are perfectly legal?

Something is either legal, or illegal.

Which is it?

If it's illegal there would be a law...cite it.

Here ya go.

3 Federal Laws Hillary May Have Violated By Using Personal Email Accounts for State Business

May have? And that was in 2015? Turned out "may have" was not. :lol:

You said the server was illegally placed. The old supposition ("may have violated") you posted doesn't support your claim.

I just cited a few of them. that you don't believe them or want to play word games of illegality vs. Criminality shows all you have is chutzpah as a defense.

None of what someone else cited said her server was illegally placed as you claimed. There was nothing illegal in her use or placement of a private server.

Did she have classified info on her private server at any time?
 

May have? And that was in 2015? Turned out "may have" was not. :lol:

You said the server was illegally placed. The old supposition ("may have violated") you posted doesn't support your claim.

I just cited a few of them. that you don't believe them or want to play word games of illegality vs. Criminality shows all you have is chutzpah as a defense.

None of what someone else cited said her server was illegally placed as you claimed. There was nothing illegal in her use or placement of a private server.
and that is the core flaw that needs to be addressed. no one should be allowed to send gov e-mail through a private server, then we don't have these "misunderstandings".

It was after her tenure as SOS. She didn’t break any rules by using a private server. Nor did Rice when she did it or Powell when he did it.
powell nor rice had their own server.

they have a private account on gmail. HUGE difference that if you don't understand, are simply not qualified to speak to this.
 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.
well the flip side is that the left, even before this potential justice was named, already was against it and even released some literature after he was announced with more or less "insert name here". it doesn't matter who trump would have nominated, the left was going to shit kittens and disrupt anything they can cause it's all they got.

also - how much has already been released about him? more or less than previous nominations?
I agree that the Left have been templated and transparent In Their obstruction. This document thing could just be another game. I tried to watch the hearing today and it was embarassing for both sides. I don’t know how we get back to a system we’re adults can run our country.
 
Yeah but Sotomayor and Kagan were barely published. Kavanaugh document pages number in the millions and Media Matters which is apparently leading the charge on this non-issue should be well aware of it.
 
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If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

The thing is the only way the public will know is if they are released or leaked....
I agree. Of course everything out of Washington now a days is a over politicized circus... or more accurately stated, a complete shitshow.
 
Do any of you fellow travelers of Trump and the Republican Party recall McConnell's response to President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court?

The dishonest and hypocrisy in your posts disgusts me. Of course you are not alone, but that is no excuse for this blatant example of partisan hackery.

Attacking Democrats is in your collective DNA. Why? Only each one of you know.

In my opinion there are three reasons why working men and women vote for Republicans: Guns, Greed and Bigotry.
in my opinion, only idiots stereotype to this degree. you limit any knowledge you'll ever have of someone by only allowing yourself such a narrow view on people.

Comprehension problem? Fellow travelers does not include the universe of all Republicans, all conservatives or all independents. It is a narrowed focus of the set of those who are biddable and never question the course set by this current administration.

Chaos defines the Trump Administration, and the Congress led by two empty suits: McConnell and Ryan; it never occurs to the set of fellow travelers that it is a self inflicted wound.
 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

What person or persons would have been damaged by the "potentially political damning information"?
Not Trump. GWB? So then what? NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications.
Hey the Democrats created the word "Borked" so will they be responsible for a new word..".Caving Kavanaugh"?
Of course the division in the country is certainly getting worse. Just too bad most Democrat/ANTIFA/Socialists don't understand they are the party of "DESTRUCTION"?
 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!

Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

What person or persons would have been damaged by the "potentially political damning information"?
Not Trump. GWB? So then what? NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications.
Hey the Democrats created the word "Borked" so will they be responsible for a new word..".Caving Kavanaugh"?
Of course the division in the country is certainly getting worse. Just too bad most Democrat/ANTIFA/Socialists don't understand they are the party of "DESTRUCTION"?

Statement: "NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications"

Response: He's qualified. But that is not the issue. Let's assume Kavanaugh assured the President, that he would be loyal to him. His background on supporting an "Imperial Presidency" is sufficient to discredit him, and necessary for Trump to have nominated him, and the Senate to reject him.

No one is above the law!

 
If Obama hid the records of Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan before they were to be vetted by the senate, what would the Republicans and their fellow travelers do?

Trump admin withholds 100,000-plus pages of Kavanaugh docs - CNNPolitics

We all know what they would do!


Baby need a tissue???? They've released more documents on Kavanaugh than they did Sotomayor and Kagan COMBINED plus his more than 300 judicial opinions. Commiecrats couldn't be bothered to read the 2000 pages of maobamacare, you really think they're going the read the more than half a million pages released on Kavanaugh? You freaking cry babies need to get a fucking grip.

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Grow up. They are hiding something. In fact, the Senate has enough resources within their structure to read through 100,000 pages rapidly - each Senator can receive an executive summary from staff when the 100,000 pages are divided among the Senate Staff.


Screw you, the GD commiecrats are making an ass of themselves in the hearing right now. As your mulatto messiah said, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, sit down and STFU. This is all orchestrated theater.

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Grow up. Personal attacks have no impact on me, nor should they.


Ok, here's an intellectual honesty test, is there a chance in hell any of theses commiecrats that are demanding another 5.5 million documents, would vote for Kavanaugh in the end???????????

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Do any of you fellow travelers of Trump and the Republican Party recall McConnell's response to President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court?

The dishonest and hypocrisy in your posts disgusts me. Of course you are not alone, but that is no excuse for this blatant example of partisan hackery.

Attacking Democrats is in your collective DNA. Why? Only each one of you know.

In my opinion there are three reasons why working men and women vote for Republicans: Guns, Greed and Bigotry.
in my opinion, only idiots stereotype to this degree. you limit any knowledge you'll ever have of someone by only allowing yourself such a narrow view on people.

Comprehension problem? Fellow travelers does not include the universe of all Republicans, all conservatives or all independents. It is a narrowed focus of the set of those who are biddable and never question the course set by this current administration.

Chaos defines the Trump Administration, and the Congress led by two empty suits: McConnell and Ryan; it never occurs to the set of fellow travelers that it is a self inflicted wound.
Chaos defines it cause the left is busy selling their own chaos as mine.
 
Have documents like this ever been asked for with regards to another candidate? How many of them?

Kavenaugh has an extensive case history that should be more than enough to figure out his competence.
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

What person or persons would have been damaged by the "potentially political damning information"?
Not Trump. GWB? So then what? NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications.
Hey the Democrats created the word "Borked" so will they be responsible for a new word..".Caving Kavanaugh"?
Of course the division in the country is certainly getting worse. Just too bad most Democrat/ANTIFA/Socialists don't understand they are the party of "DESTRUCTION"?

Statement: "NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications"

Response: He's qualified. But that is not the issue. Let's assume Kavanaugh assured the President, that he would be loyal to him. His background on supporting an "Imperial Presidency" is sufficient to discredit him, and necessary for Trump to have nominated him, and the Senate to reject him.

No one is above the law!


“Looking back to the late 1990s, for example, the nation certainly would have been better off if President Clinton could have focused on Osama bin Laden without being distracted by the Paula Jones sexual harassment case and its criminal investigation offshoots,” mused Kavanaugh in his law-review article, which proposed that “Congress might consider a law exempting a President—while in office—from criminal prosecution and investigation.”
Brett Kavanaugh Once Argued That a Sitting President Should Be Above the Law

So Kavanaugh with retrospect regarding Clinton's distractions agrees that some issues like Mueller trying to show Trump had direct collusion with the Russians ARE inappropriate.

Now let's ask one simple question regarding the Mueller investigation.
If Trump personally set up a meeting with officials of the Russian government with the idea of having the Russians help find information about Hillary, is that illegal?

Legal experts have pointed to a possible violation of federal election laws, which ban taking anything of value – which could include information on a political opponent – from a foreign government trying to influence a U.S. election. The Russian attorney at that meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has close ties to the Kremlin.
The Latest US and World News - USATODAY.com

A) legal experts ..."possible violation"... possible..
B) ban taking anything of value...what information about Hillary was taken? Any proof that the meeting had exchange of "valuable information about Hillary"... NOPE
C) Was there ANY foreign government officials in the meeting? NOPE "close ties" but no foreign officials.

So the point you make is no one is above the law.
  • OK What law was broken personally by President Trump?
  • Did he attend the meeting with a NON-Foreign official and
  • was there valuable information exchanged?
 
I’m not going to presume to know what’s actually is happening with these documents but your response is comical. If Trump is withholding docs then that is messed up, doesn’t matter if they were asked for in the past.

Can I use your response when you ask for Hillary’s 30k emails? Well they got plenty of others so that should be fine... right?

Hillary's emails were illegally placed on a non-governmental server. From my understanding the documents requested are internal White House counsel documents.

Now if there is a question of privilege here, has any other SC nominee been told or asked to released privileged documentation as part of their process?
If the reasoning is legitimately privilege or national security then I’m fine with not releasing them. If they were withheld amoungst other like documents that were released then there is an issue. If they were withhheld because they have potentially political damning information then I have a problem with that. You should too.

What person or persons would have been damaged by the "potentially political damning information"?
Not Trump. GWB? So then what? NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications.
Hey the Democrats created the word "Borked" so will they be responsible for a new word..".Caving Kavanaugh"?
Of course the division in the country is certainly getting worse. Just too bad most Democrat/ANTIFA/Socialists don't understand they are the party of "DESTRUCTION"?

Statement: "NONE of the documents had anything to do with Kavanaugh's qualifications"

Response: He's qualified. But that is not the issue. Let's assume Kavanaugh assured the President, that he would be loyal to him. His background on supporting an "Imperial Presidency" is sufficient to discredit him, and necessary for Trump to have nominated him, and the Senate to reject him.

No one is above the law!


“Looking back to the late 1990s, for example, the nation certainly would have been better off if President Clinton could have focused on Osama bin Laden without being distracted by the Paula Jones sexual harassment case and its criminal investigation offshoots,” mused Kavanaugh in his law-review article, which proposed that “Congress might consider a law exempting a President—while in office—from criminal prosecution and investigation.”
Brett Kavanaugh Once Argued That a Sitting President Should Be Above the Law

So Kavanaugh with retrospect regarding Clinton's distractions agrees that some issues like Mueller trying to show Trump had direct collusion with the Russians ARE inappropriate.

Now let's ask one simple question regarding the Mueller investigation.
If Trump personally set up a meeting with officials of the Russian government with the idea of having the Russians help find information about Hillary, is that illegal?

Legal experts have pointed to a possible violation of federal election laws, which ban taking anything of value – which could include information on a political opponent – from a foreign government trying to influence a U.S. election. The Russian attorney at that meeting, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has close ties to the Kremlin.
The Latest US and World News - USATODAY.com

A) legal experts ..."possible violation"... possible..
B) ban taking anything of value...what information about Hillary was taken? Any proof that the meeting had exchange of "valuable information about Hillary"... NOPE
C) Was there ANY foreign government officials in the meeting? NOPE "close ties" but no foreign officials.

So the point you make is no one is above the law.
  • OK What law was broken personally by President Trump?
  • Did he attend the meeting with a NON-Foreign official and
  • was there valuable information exchanged?
I’ll save some time by saying if he did arrange for the exchange of information with the Russians it really doesn’t matter if there is a law that was broken. It would prove that Trump has been lying for almost 2 years and because of those lies and cover ups the American Tax payers have spent millions of dollars in investigations to uncover those lies. It should end his presidency.
 

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