What If....Roosevelt Was Pro-America?

[PoliticalChic]

Second lie?
Unlike you....I'm an American.

First lie is your avi, of course, Leftwinger.




When I pointed out that your antecedents, the communists, slaughtered 100 million men, women and children.....you sneered at the deaths this way:

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society

Yes.....America will still accept nazi sympathizers

Nazis were Leftists....you know, like you.


Here.....let me help:
1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Don't you wish you had the education that I have?

See....that lack is why you have to lie.

I thought the commies were leftists

Now you have both sides of the political spectrum being left?

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Again you fail to explain how both Nazis and Commies can both be on the left

Actually, as usual....the failure is all yours.

In your unthinking attempt to avoid the question, you hope to alter the question...
Your attempt seems to indicate that the answer would be so damning to your worldview, your obedience to Liberal theology and your demigod, Roosevelt, that you'll do any thing to avoid same.

So sorry.




But....let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wonder if Chic really believes her own posts? Seems she just writes to rile people up, so she politically labels people and creates her own history and because its so easy to refute her posts, we respond.

Now.....why would the truth.....
...and I only post truth, as you have found....


....'rile you up'?????

 

[rightwinger]

Yes.....America will still accept nazi sympathizers

Nazis were Leftists....you know, like you.


Here.....let me help:
1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Don't you wish you had the education that I have?

See....that lack is why you have to lie.

I thought the commies were leftists

Now you have both sides of the political spectrum being left?

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Again you fail to explain how both Nazis and Commies can both be on the left

Actually, as usual....the failure is all yours.

In your unthinking attempt to avoid the question, you hope to alter the question...
Your attempt seems to indicate that the answer would be so damning to your worldview, your obedience to Liberal theology and your demigod, Roosevelt, that you'll do any thing to avoid same.

So sorry.




But....let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Another swing and a miss on your part...

How are both communism and fascism on the left?

Come on professor...you can do it

You must have a cut and paste somewhere

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

What's the answer?



Kinda says it all, huh?

And verifies everything I've posted about your demigod.

Your desperation to avoid answering the rebukes and questions that have destroyed the thesis of your OP are obvious. Quit now before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Last chance.....3 strikes and you're out!


I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?


Maybe I'll answer it for you if you can't.....seems obvious.

Just post the cut and paste you are holding onto. I am not taking the bait because your game is so childish. Point is, you keep refusing to defend the rebukes and challenges put to you. You have neither the courage or intellect to debate on your own. Now go ahead and post that cut and paste that you think will convince folks America elected a communist for VP.

So sorry......your time's up.

Clearly, answering the question about FDR's demand.......demand!......that communist Henry Wallace replace Garner would destoy your attempted defense of Roosevelt.


Roosevelt insisted on Henry Wallace, communist, to replace John Nance Garner...

Really need an explanation??

Not clear as day?


Roosevelt was in the thrall of dictators in general, and Stalin, specifically.
He felt that Stalin was the strongest .....and envied him.

A bro-mance....you know, like you with Roosevelt.

Facts, experience nor logic inform any of your beliefs.....that's what makes you a Liberal.




Watch this:

In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.'
He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590


FDR replied:
"Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94


Either he was mentally challenged.......or in love with 'Uncle Joe.'
Or both.



I have sooooo much fun destroying you......don't ever change.

Note that nowhere in this mess of cut and paste is there any evidence, not a speck, that Wallace was a communist. He was a liberal and progressive, too liberal and progressive for rank and file Democrats, but communist, never. He left the Democratic party to run for President in '48 and received the communist party endorsement, but that did not make him a communist. What he was was an integrationist long before integration was considered feasible. He campaigned in the south with negros on his staff and that is what brought him his unpopularity.
Again, note that the OP has not shown a shred of evidence that Wallace was an actual communist.
Also of note, FDR did not live long enough to see the end of the war or enter into negotiations and terms with Stalin about Eastern Europe. There is no way to predict how he would have negotiated with Stalin or how the end result of WWII would have looked if FDR had lived.
In the end, the OP has nothing more than a biased opinion based on speculation. All that challenge about FDR's VP being a communist amounts to nothing.

"....nowhere in this mess of cut and paste is there any evidence, not a speck, that Wallace was a communist."

...let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?



Is your fall-back position that he was not a real communist.....merely a communist dupe and supporter???

Speak up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nazis were Leftists....you know, like you.


Here.....let me help:
1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


Don't you wish you had the education that I have?

See....that lack is why you have to lie.

I thought the commies were leftists

Now you have both sides of the political spectrum being left?

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Again you fail to explain how both Nazis and Commies can both be on the left

Actually, as usual....the failure is all yours.

In your unthinking attempt to avoid the question, you hope to alter the question...
Your attempt seems to indicate that the answer would be so damning to your worldview, your obedience to Liberal theology and your demigod, Roosevelt, that you'll do any thing to avoid same.

So sorry.




But....let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Another swing and a miss on your part...

How are both communism and fascism on the left?

Come on professor...you can do it

You must have a cut and paste somewhere

.I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

 

[rightwinger]

I thought the commies were leftists

Now you have both sides of the political spectrum being left?

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Again you fail to explain how both Nazis and Commies can both be on the left

Actually, as usual....the failure is all yours.

In your unthinking attempt to avoid the question, you hope to alter the question...
Your attempt seems to indicate that the answer would be so damning to your worldview, your obedience to Liberal theology and your demigod, Roosevelt, that you'll do any thing to avoid same.

So sorry.




But....let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Another swing and a miss on your part...

How are both communism and fascism on the left?

Come on professor...you can do it

You must have a cut and paste somewhere

.I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Now, now

Put down your rightwing comic books....Wallace was not a communist

 

[PoliticalChic]

Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Why are you so upset about that, is it illegal to be a communist in the homeland?

Gads....you really don't know anything, do you.

That's what makes you a good socialist/Liberal

1. "President Harry S. Truman signed United States Executive Order 9835, sometimes known as the "Loyalty Order", on March 22, 1947.[1] The order established the first general loyalty program in the United States, designed to root out communist influence in the U.S. federal government. Truman aimed to rally public opinion behind his Cold War policies with investigations conducted under its authority. He also hoped to quiet right-wing critics who accused Democrats of being soft on communism.
Some in the Truman administration, such as Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, believed there were "many Communists in America." At the same time, Truman created a temporary commission on Employee Loyalty.[4]"
Executive Order 9835 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Joseph McCarthy’s primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF… For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice.
Coulter

3. The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. Even at their peak, in the ‘30’s, the Communist Party of the United States never had more than 100 thousand members: so deception of the ‘dupes’ was critical.

1. The archives tell a tale of plans and schemes between the CPUSA and the Communist International in Moscow, to dupe progressives and liberals: “go to rallies,” “don’t let them know you are a communist!,” “If anyone reveals that you are a communist, claim it is red-baiting,” “yell ‘McCarthyism!” Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Gads....you really don't know anything, do you.

That's what makes you a good socialist/Liberal

1. "President Harry S. Truman signed United States Executive Order 9835, sometimes known as the "Loyalty Order", on March 22, 1947.[1] The order established the first general loyalty program in the United States, designed to root out communist influence in the U.S. federal government. Truman aimed to rally public opinion behind his Cold War policies with investigations conducted under its authority. He also hoped to quiet right-wing critics who accused Democrats of being soft on communism.
Some in the Truman administration, such as Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, believed there were "many Communists in America." At the same time, Truman created a temporary commission on Employee Loyalty.[4]"
Executive Order 9835 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Joseph McCarthy’s primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF… For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice.
Coulter

3. The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. Even at their peak, in the ‘30’s, the Communist Party of the United States never had more than 100 thousand members: so deception of the ‘dupes’ was critical.

1. The archives tell a tale of plans and schemes between the CPUSA and the Communist International in Moscow, to dupe progressives and liberals: “go to rallies,” “don’t let them know you are a communist!,” “If anyone reveals that you are a communist, claim it is red-baiting,” “yell ‘McCarthyism!” Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century

Well, I do know that FDR came before Truman, the cold war and the McCarthy witch hunts so your "answer " doesn't make any sense

 

[PoliticalChic]

Everybody's a communist (except St Reagan).

I understand how difficult it is for folks with limited......education.....to alter the Leftist programming.....

...but this is so simple that even you should be able to understand.


There are two choices:
a. That of the Founders, individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, via the Constitution.


b. Leftists.....communists, Liberals,Progressives, whatever, offer the following:
collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....'



You pick.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gads....you really don't know anything, do you.

That's what makes you a good socialist/Liberal

1. "President Harry S. Truman signed United States Executive Order 9835, sometimes known as the "Loyalty Order", on March 22, 1947.[1] The order established the first general loyalty program in the United States, designed to root out communist influence in the U.S. federal government. Truman aimed to rally public opinion behind his Cold War policies with investigations conducted under its authority. He also hoped to quiet right-wing critics who accused Democrats of being soft on communism.
Some in the Truman administration, such as Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, believed there were "many Communists in America." At the same time, Truman created a temporary commission on Employee Loyalty.[4]"
Executive Order 9835 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Joseph McCarthy’s primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF… For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice.
Coulter

3. The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. Even at their peak, in the ‘30’s, the Communist Party of the United States never had more than 100 thousand members: so deception of the ‘dupes’ was critical.

1. The archives tell a tale of plans and schemes between the CPUSA and the Communist International in Moscow, to dupe progressives and liberals: “go to rallies,” “don’t let them know you are a communist!,” “If anyone reveals that you are a communist, claim it is red-baiting,” “yell ‘McCarthyism!” Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century

Well, I do know that FDR came before Truman, the cold war and the McCarthy witch hunts so your "answer " doesn't make any sense

Guess why both Truman's executive order, and McCarthy's revelations, and Eisenhower's orders about communists, were necessary.

Hint: they didn't come before the control of Washington by Stalin's communists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Again you fail to explain how both Nazis and Commies can both be on the left

Actually, as usual....the failure is all yours.

In your unthinking attempt to avoid the question, you hope to alter the question...
Your attempt seems to indicate that the answer would be so damning to your worldview, your obedience to Liberal theology and your demigod, Roosevelt, that you'll do any thing to avoid same.

So sorry.




But....let's give you another chance:

1. "Even with FDR’s endorsement (and his threat to withdraw from the presidential race if Wallace were not chosen by the Democratic convention), Wallace won by only 628 to 459 against (chiefly) Speaker William Bankhead (actress Tallulah Bankhead’s father). Wallace was not allowed to give an acceptance speech.

It is fair to say that the nomination of Wallace was rivaled only by the appointments of Stalin-bootlicker Joseph Davies as ambassador to Moscow; of fascist sympathizer, appeaser, and defeatist Joseph P. Kennedy to the London embassy; and of anti-Semite Breckinridge Long as under secretary of state for immigration and refugees, as the most disastrous appointment of Roosevelt’s four terms as president.

J. Edgar Hoover warned Roosevelt that Wallace was friendly with Communists in Hollywood and had inappropriate connections with overseas Communists, including in the Soviet Union.

He was reviled as a Communist dupe by H. L. Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and even perennial Socialist-party presidential candidate Norman Thomas. He won only 2.4 percent of the vote and did not influence the outcome of the election, a narrow victory by President Truman and Kentucky senator (and Senate majority leader) Alben W. Barkley over Republicans Thomas E. Dewey, governor of New York, and Governor Earl Warren of California."
Read more at: The Real Henry Wallace, by Conrad Black, National Review



Soooooo........I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Another swing and a miss on your part...

How are both communism and fascism on the left?

Come on professor...you can do it

You must have a cut and paste somewhere

.I wonder if you'd care to explain why Franklin Roosevelt demanded that the Democrat Party put a communists on as his vice-president, or he would refuse to run for a second term?

Now, now

Put down your rightwing comic books....Wallace was not a communist

Is your fall-back position that he was not a real communist.....merely a communist dupe and supporter???

Speak up.

 

[regent]

If there was communist plot it's obvious Reagan was in on it; he voted for FDR.

 

[Camp]

If there was communist plot it's obvious Reagan was in on it; he voted for FDR.

There was a time when the OP would attract a handful of supporters to her anti-FDR hate threads. Not so much anymore. Think they tired of being challenged to back up their hateful bashing and the consistent results of the OP's concepts and theses being debunked disproved and destroyed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If there was communist plot it's obvious Reagan was in on it; he voted for FDR.

In light of the fact that you could find no errors in any of my posts......why "if"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

If there was communist plot it's obvious Reagan was in on it; he voted for FDR.

There was a time when the OP would attract a handful of supporters to her anti-FDR hate threads. Not so much anymore. Think they tired of being challenged to back up their hateful bashing and the consistent results of the OP's concepts and theses being debunked disproved and destroyed.

And yet another question you fear answering....
Is your fall-back position that Henry Agard Wallace was not a real communist.....merely a communist dupe and supporter???


He was either a communist or a communist dupe....and

. 1. When the Democrat Party decried a communist as vice- president......"Roosevelt would have none of this, however, and when it appeared that Wallace might fail to receive the party's nomination at the Democratic Convention in Chicago, FDR threatened to drop out of the race, preparing a statement that argued that he could not run for a party that was not overwhelming in its support for "social progress and liberalism," ....
As Vice President, Wallace became the leading spokesman for American liberalism and developed a large following among New Dealers." Henry A. Wallace, TITLE





2. "Eminent Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis has written that “there is Soviet documentation that Wallace was regularly reporting to the Kremlin in 1945 and 1946 while he was in the Truman administration,” and that later, when Truman was considering a secret effort to approach the Soviets, his effort was “blown wide open by Wallace when he was running for president on the Progressive Party ticket” in 1948. This was after Truman fired Wallace for giving an address in Madison Square Garden attacking the Truman administration for excessive anti-Communist zeal."
FDR, Stalin, and Oliver Stone - The New York Sun


Wallace...a communist agent.......and the best suited to be vice-president, according to Roosevelt.

Says it all, huh.

 

[PoliticalChic]

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.
'

Another gross distortion and one having a special kicker with it. Manly was a pen name used by the hardcore libertarian and isolationist anti-FDR owner of the Chicago Tribune. Under the name of Manly, Rainbow Five, the War Departments contingency plans for a war in Europe were emblazoned on the front page of the Tribune three days on Dec. 4, three days before Pearl Harbor. Hitler used it in his Declaration of War against the US as proof that the US intended to attack Germany.
BTW, the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were.

Gads...you're a liar.


"the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were."

"The Protestant Christian Centuryscalded Roosevelt for his soothing pronouncement on religious freedom in Russia, and recalled his words before a Christian youth assembly in 1939 when he declared, how much he detested "the banishment of religion" from Russia. The editors also divined the intent of the statement as one of trying to woo Catholics in the U.S. to support his aid to Russia program, but insisted that "Instead of winning the Catholics, the President's careless words have made them more than ever critical of his Russia policy." Furthermore, the editors considered the presidential remark an adverse reflection upon his widely hailed "freedoms" in the Atlantic Charter: "The President gave the nation an opportunity to test his conception of one of these essential freedoms, and the test gave forth a hollow, empty sound.'
"Are the Four Freedoms a Delusion?" Christian Century [October 15,1941], pp.1262-64.



Compare this to Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert of the time said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."

Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there wasfreedom of religion in the USSR."The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step ina massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137

 

[regent]

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.
'

Another gross distortion and one having a special kicker with it. Manly was a pen name used by the hardcore libertarian and isolationist anti-FDR owner of the Chicago Tribune. Under the name of Manly, Rainbow Five, the War Departments contingency plans for a war in Europe were emblazoned on the front page of the Tribune three days on Dec. 4, three days before Pearl Harbor. Hitler used it in his Declaration of War against the US as proof that the US intended to attack Germany.
BTW, the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were.

Gads...you're a liar.


"the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were."

"The Protestant Christian Centuryscalded Roosevelt for his soothing pronouncement on religious freedom in Russia, and recalled his words before a Christian youth assembly in 1939 when he declared, how much he detested "the banishment of religion" from Russia. The editors also divined the intent of the statement as one of trying to woo Catholics in the U.S. to support his aid to Russia program, but insisted that "Instead of winning the Catholics, the President's careless words have made them more than ever critical of his Russia policy." Furthermore, the editors considered the presidential remark an adverse reflection upon his widely hailed "freedoms" in the Atlantic Charter: "The President gave the nation an opportunity to test his conception of one of these essential freedoms, and the test gave forth a hollow, empty sound.'
"Are the Four Freedoms a Delusion?" Christian Century [October 15,1941], pp.1262-64.



Compare this to Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert of the time said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."

Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there wasfreedom of religion in the USSR."The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step ina massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137

Yep, FDR played the USSR like a harp. Stalin complained that the US promised DDay in 1942, then in 1943 FDR sent the USSR another "the check is in the mail," and finally
DDay in1944. We held the USSR's coat while they lost millions, as we prepared for Europe.
For the US it was American lives that were being saved; I often wonder how the USSR history books explained all that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.
'

Another gross distortion and one having a special kicker with it. Manly was a pen name used by the hardcore libertarian and isolationist anti-FDR owner of the Chicago Tribune. Under the name of Manly, Rainbow Five, the War Departments contingency plans for a war in Europe were emblazoned on the front page of the Tribune three days on Dec. 4, three days before Pearl Harbor. Hitler used it in his Declaration of War against the US as proof that the US intended to attack Germany.
BTW, the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were.

Gads...you're a liar.


"the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were."

"The Protestant Christian Centuryscalded Roosevelt for his soothing pronouncement on religious freedom in Russia, and recalled his words before a Christian youth assembly in 1939 when he declared, how much he detested "the banishment of religion" from Russia. The editors also divined the intent of the statement as one of trying to woo Catholics in the U.S. to support his aid to Russia program, but insisted that "Instead of winning the Catholics, the President's careless words have made them more than ever critical of his Russia policy." Furthermore, the editors considered the presidential remark an adverse reflection upon his widely hailed "freedoms" in the Atlantic Charter: "The President gave the nation an opportunity to test his conception of one of these essential freedoms, and the test gave forth a hollow, empty sound.'
"Are the Four Freedoms a Delusion?" Christian Century [October 15,1941], pp.1262-64.



Compare this to Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert of the time said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."

Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there wasfreedom of religion in the USSR."The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step ina massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137

Yep, FDR played the USSR like a harp. Stalin complained that the US promised DDay in 1942, then in 1943 FDR sent the USSR another "the check is in the mail," and finally
DDay in1944. We held the USSR's coat while they lost millions, as we prepared for Europe.
For the US it was American lives that were being saved; I often wonder how the USSR history books explained all that.

I do so recognize the amazing feat of memory on your part!
Bravo!

You have managed to recall every talking point of FDR supporters.



Unfortunately.....every single one is a lie.

 

[Camp]

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.
'

Another gross distortion and one having a special kicker with it. Manly was a pen name used by the hardcore libertarian and isolationist anti-FDR owner of the Chicago Tribune. Under the name of Manly, Rainbow Five, the War Departments contingency plans for a war in Europe were emblazoned on the front page of the Tribune three days on Dec. 4, three days before Pearl Harbor. Hitler used it in his Declaration of War against the US as proof that the US intended to attack Germany.
BTW, the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were.

Gads...you're a liar.


"the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were."

"The Protestant Christian Centuryscalded Roosevelt for his soothing pronouncement on religious freedom in Russia, and recalled his words before a Christian youth assembly in 1939 when he declared, how much he detested "the banishment of religion" from Russia. The editors also divined the intent of the statement as one of trying to woo Catholics in the U.S. to support his aid to Russia program, but insisted that "Instead of winning the Catholics, the President's careless words have made them more than ever critical of his Russia policy." Furthermore, the editors considered the presidential remark an adverse reflection upon his widely hailed "freedoms" in the Atlantic Charter: "The President gave the nation an opportunity to test his conception of one of these essential freedoms, and the test gave forth a hollow, empty sound.'
"Are the Four Freedoms a Delusion?" Christian Century [October 15,1941], pp.1262-64.



Compare this to Loy Henderson, State Department Russian expert of the time said: "Russia does not fight for the same ideals as the United States."

Roosevelt swore to the American public the exact opposite: he declared that Stalin fought for the same ideals!

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there wasfreedom of religion in the USSR."The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step ina massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," by Dennis J. Dunn, p. 137

The agreement reached between Roosevelt and Litinov regarding religion is exactly the way I presented it. The agreement that was accepted and constituted a formal exchange of Diplomats and diplomatic recognition was a series of eleven letters written between Roosevelt and Litinov. The entirety of the agreement pertaining to religious freedom was contained in Roosevelt's third letter and often referred to as letter number four in the series of eleven. Many statements and "assurances" were made during negotiations but they were not enforceable. Only the terms agreed upon in the eleven-page agreement were considered binding and enforceable. Quotes from commentaries made after the agreement became formally approved by both governments were not viewed as part of the agreement or relevant in any legal sense.

Here is the eleven letter series of letters that became the formal agreement. The section pertaining to religion is the third letter from Roosevelt.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/fdr-ml.htm

 

[regent]

Germany recognized the USSR before the US as did a number of other countries before 1925. Finally the US in 1933 recognized the USSR.