What is a small government libertarian?

[bripat9643]

Dad2three makes the very common moonbat mistake of assuming that Libertarianism is Anarchy.

Nope, pointing out OVER AND OVER, libertarianism NEVER works. You can't point to ONE state or nation to EVER use it successfully. Weird? lol

Whenever someone does you respond with "nuh uhn!"

 

[Dad2three]

Please show us ONE successful Collectivist State that has implemented the nonsense you advocate.

US, Germany, Denmark, UK, Switzerland, Japan, etc...

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Those are all highly capitalist states. Denmark and Switzerland are near the top of the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Why is it that when libturds are asked to give successful examples of socialism they always list a bunch of capitalist countries?

Weird, are liberals trying to do away with capitalism? Crony capitalism conservatives favor, YES...

 

[boedicca]

Why would anyone assume small government s desirable?

Which "small government" should we base ourselves on?

Government is the monopoly on the use of force. What is desirable about government at all?

It's desirable to people who want government to use that force to mug other people for them.

 

[Dad2three]

Dad2three makes the very common moonbat mistake of assuming that Libertarianism is Anarchy.

Nope, pointing out OVER AND OVER, libertarianism NEVER works. You can't point to ONE state or nation to EVER use it successfully. Weird? lol

Whenever someone does you respond with "nuh uhn!"

Pretty easily proven the US DIDN'T use libertarian nonsense!

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Contumacious]

US, Germany, Denmark, UK, Switzerland, Japan, etc...

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Those are all highly capitalist states. Denmark and Switzerland are near the top of the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Why is it that when libturds are asked to give successful examples of socialism they always list a bunch of capitalist countries?

Weird, are liberals trying to do away with capitalism? Crony capitalism conservatives favor, YES...

Shut the fuck up

Capitalism would require that you support your progeny

I am not supporting "crony capitalism" which is another word for fascism

.

 

[Dad2three]

Why would anyone assume small government s desirable?

Which "small government" should we base ourselves on?

Government is the monopoly on the use of force. What is desirable about government at all?

AND capitalism without Gov't's hand in it, is straight up the game monopoly!

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, it is. What confuses you is that we respect the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority.

So you want everyone to be a winner, like the kids' sports they play now without keeping score?

How can you, for example, decide what the law should be on abortion, if you have to respect both the people who want it legal and the people who want it illegal?

NY - I'm not sure how to communicate this concept to you. I've tried before, and at this point I'm not sure I can. What I'm talking about is respecting each and every person's individual will, and not violating it with government coercion unless it's truly necessary - to protect the right of other to exercise their will, for example. Also, implicit in my position, is that no one has a right to force their will on others, regardless of whether they have the majority behind them or not.

NYcarbineer is incapable of understanding your point because he views being mugged by the mob as a form of freedom. He believes that you approved of what the majority imposes on you even if you voted against it.

 

[Dad2three]

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Those are all highly capitalist states. Denmark and Switzerland are near the top of the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Why is it that when libturds are asked to give successful examples of socialism they always list a bunch of capitalist countries?

Weird, are liberals trying to do away with capitalism? Crony capitalism conservatives favor, YES...

Shut the fuck up

Capitalism would require that you support your progeny

I am not supporting "crony capitalism" which is another word for fascism

.

No you support myths and fantasies

 

[Contumacious]

Weird, are liberals trying to do away with capitalism? Crony capitalism conservatives favor, YES...

Shut the fuck up

Capitalism would require that you support your progeny

I am not supporting "crony capitalism" which is another word for fascism

.

No you support myths and fantasies

If that was the case I would be supporting fascism/parasitism/socialism.



.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh you change it to utopian? Sorry. Misunderstood that. US 1945-1980? Around 30% unionized, SHARED increase in wages and standards, growing middle class, education system #1 in the world, forward thinking, etc

Then, Reaganomics (myths and fairy tales) took hold



Socialist paradises? ANOTHER premise in one post? Weird.

The things you mention about the U.S.: increase in wages and standards, growing middle class, education system... have absolutely nothing to do with Socialist principles.

Nah, it had to do with PROGRESSIVE POLICIES from the likes of Teddy, FDR, Ike, etc....

YOU KNOW HOW MOST OF THE US WAS BUILT?

Private corporations built the U.S. I'm sure I'll fall onto the floor laughing when you post your version of how it happened.

 

[dblack]

I am a voter just as much as you!

Exactly, and Constitutionally limited government prevents either of us from voting to violate the rights of the other.

Glad you agree, Medicare, ACA, SS, etc

Those aren't examples of constitutionally limited governments. That's kinda the point of the thread.

 

[bripat9643]

LOWEST effective tax burden on Corps in 40+ years, ALL TIME record Corp profits, lowest share of labor costs EVER, and Corps are being mugged?

PLEASE

Whenever I read this stuff about 'high taxes' and how our poor corporations are being treated unfairly, I know I'm reading a post by somebody who doesn't fill out their own tax returns, has no idea what taxes were in the past, or is just repeating junk propaganda they read somewhere, like from Free Republic or Town Hall.

My fave is the meme about the '90% tax rate' of the 1950's and early 1960's, as if that were really what was being paid. In fact, that was the top rate on capital gains, and only on 50% of capital gains, and of course an amazing array of deductions on even that taxable 50%, i.e. if you had $100 in gains you were taxed at 90% on $50 max, and only if you had absolutely no deductions of any kind, which never happened in an era when if you wanted to install solid gold faucets in the CEO's private bathroom, or just have the company buy his house for him, it was 100% deductible, for example, but it makes for great nonsense propaganda to scare the clueless with.

You just proved you're an ignorant blowhard.

Note where the line on the graph is for the year 1950. if you look to the left you'll see the number 90%.

 

[dblack]

"Two posters who don't have a clue on why the Founders created a Republic"


KINDA THINK WE DID, ONCE MORE

"A Republic based on democratic representation!"

You are, quite deliberately, missing the point. Which is, that they intentionally avoided a pure democracy. They explicitly did not want pure democracy or unlimited majority rule.

REALLY? Shocking, why didn't any of my Profs at university tell me that when I got my minor in history? Dammit

They probably wrote you off as just another idiot.

 

[Dad2three]

The things you mention about the U.S.: increase in wages and standards, growing middle class, education system... have absolutely nothing to do with Socialist principles.

Nah, it had to do with PROGRESSIVE POLICIES from the likes of Teddy, FDR, Ike, etc....

YOU KNOW HOW MOST OF THE US WAS BUILT?

Private corporations built the U.S. I'm sure I'll fall onto the floor laughing when you post your version of how it happened.

Sure, it wasn't progressive policies that created the worlds largest middle class, it was private Corps. They also built the RR's, roads, work that created the internet, cell phones, CAT scans, etc...

 

[thereisnospoon]

A Republic based on democratic representation!

So?

"Two posters who don't have a clue on why the Founders created a Republic"


KINDA THINK WE DID, ONCE MORE

"A Republic based on democratic representation!"

That is a representation of your opinion.

 

[Dad2three]

LOWEST effective tax burden on Corps in 40+ years, ALL TIME record Corp profits, lowest share of labor costs EVER, and Corps are being mugged?

PLEASE

Whenever I read this stuff about 'high taxes' and how our poor corporations are being treated unfairly, I know I'm reading a post by somebody who doesn't fill out their own tax returns, has no idea what taxes were in the past, or is just repeating junk propaganda they read somewhere, like from Free Republic or Town Hall.

My fave is the meme about the '90% tax rate' of the 1950's and early 1960's, as if that were really what was being paid. In fact, that was the top rate on capital gains, and only on 50% of capital gains, and of course an amazing array of deductions on even that taxable 50%, i.e. if you had $100 in gains you were taxed at 90% on $50 max, and only if you had absolutely no deductions of any kind, which never happened in an era when if you wanted to install solid gold faucets in the CEO's private bathroom, or just have the company buy his house for him, it was 100% deductible, for example, but it makes for great nonsense propaganda to scare the clueless with.

You just proved you're an ignorant blowhard.

Note where the line on the graph is for the year 1950. if you look to the left you'll see the number 90%.

Shocking, you don't know the difference on MARGINAL tax rates and capital gains rates


"Beginning in 1942, taxpayers could exclude 50 percent of capital gains on assets held at least six months or elect a 25 percent alternative tax rate if their ordinary tax rate exceeded 50 percent. From 1954 to 1967 the maximum capital gains tax rate was 25 percent"
Historical Capital Gains and Taxes

 

[Dad2three]

Exactly, and Constitutionally limited government prevents either of us from voting to violate the rights of the other.

Glad you agree, Medicare, ACA, SS, etc

Those aren't examples of constitutionally limited governments. That's kinda the point of the thread.

Weird, SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY disagreed right? LOL

 

[bripat9643]

Nah, it had to do with PROGRESSIVE POLICIES from the likes of Teddy, FDR, Ike, etc....

YOU KNOW HOW MOST OF THE US WAS BUILT?

Private corporations built the U.S. I'm sure I'll fall onto the floor laughing when you post your version of how it happened.

Sure, it wasn't progressive policies that created the worlds largest middle class, it was private Corps. They also built the RR's, roads, work that created the internet, cell phones, CAT scans, etc...

Yes they did. Furthermore, you only mentioned a small percentage of what America is.

 

[bripat9643]

Glad you agree, Medicare, ACA, SS, etc

Those aren't examples of constitutionally limited governments. That's kinda the point of the thread.

Weird, SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY disagreed right? LOL

SCOTUS is a gang of political hacks chosen by a collection of big government statists precisely for the purpose of rubber stamping every expansion of the government they propose.

 

[dblack]

Glad you agree, Medicare, ACA, SS, etc

Those aren't examples of constitutionally limited governments. That's kinda the point of the thread.

Weird, SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY disagreed right? LOL

Wow.... you haven't heard that we disagree with them? Do you pay NO attention at all?