What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Daryl Hunt]

Hey douchebag...I own guns.

I have owned guns my whole life.

I'm not taking away ANY "freedoms" I just want sensible gun regulations

I sure as hell do not believe you own any guns or that you support the right to gun ownership in any way

And I suppose you have a reason to oppose the Mental Health parts of the common sense gun regs. Could it be that YOU may not be able to have firearms due to that law?

You mean the one that said people on SS who needed help balancing a checkbook were mentally ill?

You should be happy otherwise the government would come take your guns away for being a feeble old man

All of my finances are electronic in all way. I pay by card and 1 minute after I use the card, the transaction is sitting in my bank and the funds have removed. I use only 1 check a month and that is for Rent. All other transactions are either cash or charge. This feeble old man knows how to balance a checkbook but in todays day and age, that becomes less and less important.

Yes, I am on SSI but I am also on Retired Military Pension and do get money from a business I sold around 2005. As you can see, I worked hard for about 40 years and get paid because of those efforts. I paid in money every month for SSI and Medicare. That's MY money. When your Orange Orangatan and his court of fools start monkeying around with it and allows MY money to be taken out of the Trust and put into the General Fund then they are stealing from me and 10s of millions of other people.

What about people that have paid into socialist entitlement programs all of their adult lives. But now have lost confidence in the “system” for a very long time now and want out of the system altogether? Gladly cutting bait, meaning I would gladly give up everything... everything they have paid in up to this point to no longer be involved in the system in any way.
Fuck the collective

It's always been voluntary. You didn't have to pay into it. You could have opted out. Of course, you would have no income in the later years. I still pay into it even though I am collecting it. While my SSI doesn't have that attached to it anymore, I still pay for it with my Military Retirement Pay which does not have that option to opt out like you sillyvillians have.

Sometime in the early 80s, they took a sizable chunk out of the Old Age Pension (meaning SSI) and in 1986, the fund began shrinking. By the early 90s the fund began to grow again leaving it solvent until about 2032. Now that it's solvent, it appears your buddies want to dip into it again. If left alone or planned better, Medicare would have covered 100% instead of 80. If they get their way on the next round it's going to drop to 73. This is to pay for the latest "Tax Giveaway" to the rich but this affects the poor and middle class. There was no 4000 per person given in tax reliefs. Well, not to the poor and middle class anyway. What we saw was the tax go down by a couple of dollars a month but when we got our Cost of Living, that savings went right out the window. The Cost of Living adjustment didn't keep up with the real cost of living.

We did see more jobs and lower unemployment like was promised to support the tax break. What we got was the loss of many full time jobs and a higher increase in part time jobs. In Sep of 2017, there were 36,200 jobs created but we lost 26,200 full time jobs. Now, that does drive the unemployment rate down. Now for the rest of the story. Those 36,200 jobs created were all part time jobs with lower or zero benefits from the employer and lower pay. The Rich just got Richer and didn't do any of the things that Washington promised they would do. Washington doesn't control the Rich, the Rich controls Washington. So much for "For the People, By the People".

So go ahead and opt out. You can do that if you wish. But you had better have one hell of a IRA for later one and it had better be in the millions or one misstep on your part will have it wiped out in seconds and you are going to be living on welfare which you didn't contribute one dime towards.

 

[beagle9]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

It's not the gun's dang it.... It's the mental state of those getting their hands on guns, and then becoming a huge problem after that.

Now who is causing the problem ?? The liberal/leftist/Democrats are the problem.

Why ???? Because they are the first to attack the gun while making excuses for the killers or mentally deficient in life.

Yeah, just take those gun's away, then when we put that deplorable human being who might be mentally unstable to boot (in your space in life), and you reject such a person, then they can't go get that gun to blow everyone away due to that rejection.

I know, I know, what about if we just stop the liberal/leftist/Demon-crats from placing dangerous deplorable people in people's spaces or around their children (just nip it in the bud by being pro-active instead of re-active), and this way crime begins to slow, and culture clash becomes less and less for those whom do want to get along together in life.

Blacks fearing that they will be rebuked if team up with the whites for a great nation, have just got to finally face those fears, and believe in themselves without needing a crutch of some sort to make it in life. We love all Americans in this great nation, and the lies have got to stop.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

All the more reason to reduce the availability of guns in our society

You are living in some sort of alternate reality that most don't live in or experience, so you might want to consider that before trying to speak on behalf of millions of American's. Just sayin.

Get out and experience life... Go fishing, hunting, eat some BBQ, and get some friends who might help you to experience life in such ways. So many are trapped in their lives not knowing anything but the things in which they know, and they think that it is the only things they should know, and therefore they try to create in the mind that to be accepted in all sectors of life, then they must configure and control those sectors to their liking or rather destroy them if they don't like them. It is the ultimate mental disorder, but they don't realize it.

What we have done around here is to remove the cult of the AR. Yes, you can still buy one if you want. In fact, the prices have dropped dramatically since they are just gathering dust in the Racks in the Gun Shops. I saw a MP-15 SW that retails for 599 on sale for 399 and it still won't sell. Those that already bought them don't need any more and there aren't any new buyers that want them. 6 years ago, they were flying off the shelves at full retail. The fear that is still tried today of "They are coming for your guns" doesn't work anymore. But the other types of real hunting rifles have gone up so people are still buying firearms. Just not the ARs. The Cult has been broken up which was made to grow due to fears artificially generated and have since been debunked. But there are some areas that the fear continues and the AR is still selling like hotcakes. For 599 I can get a conventional semi auto hunting rifle that is traditional in design and is just down right gorgeous. Something can be said about exotic woods over plastic. While it's perfectly legal to walk down the street with your Favorite AR, it's extremely frowned upon. You will find yourself friendless in a matter of minutes.

As long as the Cult of the AR exists though it will be the weapon of choice of the Mass Murderers. Yes, other weapons can do the job just not as efficient. You can claim that the AR was designed as a varmint rifle but I think we all know it was designed for combat and also can be used for Varmints. Then again, the other semi auto rifles also can be used for combat but they were originally designed as varmint rifles and do varmint hunting better and are more pleasing to the eyes. At a shoot, you will ocassionaly see an AR but no one is giving it much thought except for a very small group. But if someone shows up with a full dress Varmint Weatherby, that will draw quite a crowd. This is why some of the shooters say if you show up to a shootoff with just an AR you will be laughed right out of there. We broke the cult. You don't have to confiscate the ARs, just break the cult and they will slowly disappear into history from whence they came.

To give you an idea, Smith and Wessons MP-15 was their primary production rifle for about 9 years. Last year, they were hurting so bad that they were talking about Chapter 11. It seems the MP-15 market all but dried up. They produced like there was a Cult in every town. Now, the MP-15 is gathering dust on store shelves and SW can't justify producing many more. Yes, one person in here claims to be a Gun Shop Owner and sales have never been better. He claims to make at least one sale of the MP-15 a month. AFter seeing his posts, He may or may not be a Gun Shop Owner but that low of sales won't keep the doors open. In a retail market, if you aren't doing at least 600 bucks a day, shut the store down and find a job. Because 600 bucks a day is only about 200 a day gross profit. AFter expenses, you might have 50 bucks left. And 50 bucks a day means you will probably be on some form of Public Assistance. And I don't get out of bed for 50 bucks a day. That's about 8 bucks an hour gross pay.

I am also seeing Gun Dealer Shops closing their doors around here. We used to have a bunch of them including the Pawn Shops. Even the Pawn Shops are starting to close down. Well, those that have most of their money in Guns. These cropped up right after 1998 when the AR ban was lifted. But, hey, it's been a fun 10 year ride but it's come to an end.

As I said, you don't have to completely ban the AR, just do the common sense firearms regulations and the AR dies a slow death like it has. It's taken about 5 years to get it that way. So when I see a gun crazy go off about how I am coming for his AR and people should buy more, that is the tired old scare tactic that worked so well but it was seen as a con in the last 2 years.

You can do anything you can with an AR 15 with any other semiautomatic .223

The 223/556 was invented for the AR-15 Model 601 and the round was designed not to kill but to wound. I know you know nothing about combat but it takes extra personnel to care and transport a wounded than it does a dead body. The Dead can wait until after the battle concludes. The wounded can't.

But if you get close enough, it can kill or wound with the best of them if you fire enough rounds. That means the round was thought to be well suited for combat but not as a long ranged varmint round. That thought is changing in the Military who are looking at upgrading probably to a 6.8 caliber with composite casings that kill very efficiently and can effectively go out past 400 yds which is the absolute range maximum for a 223 to do any actual damage and not start succumbing to the elements (drift).

So stop with the sales pitch trying to sell those ARs you have that you can only sell one a month. You'll sink your money into better inventory and eat much more steady.

then you should be happy mass shooters like the .223 since it wasn't designed to kill. Just think of the death toll if mass shooters used 6.8 or 7.62 rounds

and a .223 kills rabid skunks, raccoons and coyotes just fine thank you very much

School is in
Think about what you have just said. Let's look at the 6.8. It's about the same length but a bigger diameter in both bullet and cartridge. The cartridge is made up of a very light and strong composite. The weight is less than the 556 or 223 so you don't add weight. It's being designed for WAR just like the 556 was designed for war. It just does it a bit better at a longer range. So you don't give up the amount of ammo you can carry but have a more effective weapon of war.

They replaced the M-14 with the M-16 because the weight of the gun and the weight of the ammo. The M-14 was far superior in a firefight but you ran out of ammo too fast. The 7.62 or 308 is the far superior cartridge but it's heavy in comparison therefore you can't carry as many rounds. Plus, due to the power of the cartridge, the gun has to be larger and heavier. You wouldn't know this because you haven't spent 16 hours force marching from point A to B with 80lbs of other equipment on your back. Every ounce saved.......

Now, about the 223, most school shootings are done close up. The 223 will kill larger game (meaning us) easily at close range. And since you have so many rounds, don't worry about wasting it. Even if the aftermath looks like a battle zone, it's not. You have ammo to burn. Before you run out of ammo you will run out of time and you only have a few minutes to operate until the Cops take you out or you put the muzzle in your mouth. And most shooters are part of the AR Cult. No dues, no memberships just insanity. You are part of that AR Cult. the only difference is, you don't have the guts to go out and do a mass shooting yourself in the name of the Revolution. The only reason that Vegas Shooting had such a high body count at that range was he through hundreds of rounds out very fast. It's like throwing a bunch of rocks at a wall full of balloons. Some will hit and most will miss but if you throw enough, you can burst almost all the balloons. This is the method of the Full Auto M-16 or the AR-15 with a bump stock. This has been abandoned by even the Military. But it's not ineffective when you have a target rich environment like a theater, school or Club. The 223 does exactly what it was originally invented to do at that point.

You are part of a cult. And the way to stop mass shootings is to outlaw the cult. Maybe we should handle it like any other violent cult and just start arresting the cult leaders.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

There was a time [the 50's] when we had less gun control and no real liberal threat, then came the 60's and the liberal establishment, mass shootings [schools in particular] are just one of many diseases of liberalism...so the answer, do whatever it was we were doing prior to the 60's, simple as that.

You missed the whole thing. In the last part of the 19th century, the US was about as Socialist as it could get. During both world wars, it was completely socialist. The United States has a tendency to move from mostly Socialism and some Corporatism to mostly corporatism to some socialism. The reason it swings like that is both in it's purest form destroys your country as a Federal Republic. One takes too much freedom by the individual and shifts it to the government while the other takes away too much freedom and shifts it to the Corporations. While you are yelling "Socialism Bad" you should be aware that we need some parts of Socialism for the community's good but not enough to stifle Capitalism.

When the US was young, there were no public roads outside of cities. So you own a place and want a road to travel that 2 miles to the city limits. You grab your shovel, pick and hitch up the horses pulling the drag and you made it;. That was YOUR road. You owned it. Capitalism worked great. But as time goes by, your neighbor 4 miles from town decides he wants a road as well. He grabs his shovel, pick and hitches up his horses pulling a drag and builds a road that links with yours. He owns HIS 2 miles of road but he doesn't own yours. He asks to use your road and you tell him he can. Things are working just fine. Now, the neighbors further up all want their 2 miles of roads to link up with the other roads. All of a sudden, you have what you feel is excessive traffic on your road. They are leaving ruts. So you put up a sign that explains "This is a private Road and you are Trespassing". Then you back it up with force if necessary. Guess what. Capitalism just failed. In order to bring commerce and civility, the State or County comes in and buys or just takes your road from you using imminent domain and they do that for the whole 2 mile sections of road. The government now must maintain it. This means that all of the Farmers can get their wares to the city to the Farmers Market quickly and easily. This brings in more money. But now, the Government wants to tax you so they can keep the road maintained. Welcome to Socialism. But you still own your farm and the goods you transport get to the farmers market cheaply, and your veggies are fresh as well as your Eggs and Milk. Of course, one farmer may take exception to this because he's crazy. Without that road, he would not make nearly as large a profit at the Farmers Market.

So you did what? just hit any reply button in the thread and post this?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

It's not the gun's dang it.... It's the mental state of those getting their hands on guns, and then becoming a huge problem after that.

Now who is causing the problem ?? The liberal/leftist/Democrats are the problem.

Why ???? Because they are the first to attack the gun while making excuses for the killers or mentally deficient in life.

Yeah, just take those gun's away, then when we put that deplorable human being who might be mentally unstable to boot (in your space in life), and you reject such a person, then they can't go get that gun to blow everyone away due to that rejection.

I know, I know, what about if we just stop the liberal/leftist/Demon-crats from placing dangerous deplorable people in people's spaces or around their children (just nip it in the bud by being pro-active instead of re-active), and this way crime begins to slow, and culture clash becomes less and less for those whom do want to get along together in life.

Blacks fearing that they will be rebuked if team up with the whites for a great nation, have just got to finally face those fears, and believe in themselves without needing a crutch of some sort to make it in life. We love all Americans in this great nation, and the lies have got to stop.

Most of us stopped reading when you blamed it all on the Liberals and the Left. That is the real problem. As long as both sides blame the other side the changes needed will be slow since both sides are too busy blaming each other to actually come up with a solution. And there IS a solution. Just not the one that both sides in power think there is. But as long as the fringe groups are so noisy, nothing can get done. You are not right, you are just loud.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Okay, so any level gun control is bad which is of course retarded on its own, but the right can’t even think of any alternatives to curbing gun violence. Saying “no” to everything accomplishes absolutely nothing. It’s astounding we are still at square one.

There was a time [the 50's] when we had less gun control and no real liberal threat, then came the 60's and the liberal establishment, mass shootings [schools in particular] are just one of many diseases of liberalism...so the answer, do whatever it was we were doing prior to the 60's, simple as that.

You missed the whole thing. In the last part of the 19th century, the US was about as Socialist as it could get. During both world wars, it was completely socialist. The United States has a tendency to move from mostly Socialism and some Corporatism to mostly corporatism to some socialism. The reason it swings like that is both in it's purest form destroys your country as a Federal Republic. One takes too much freedom by the individual and shifts it to the government while the other takes away too much freedom and shifts it to the Corporations. While you are yelling "Socialism Bad" you should be aware that we need some parts of Socialism for the community's good but not enough to stifle Capitalism.

When the US was young, there were no public roads outside of cities. So you own a place and want a road to travel that 2 miles to the city limits. You grab your shovel, pick and hitch up the horses pulling the drag and you made it;. That was YOUR road. You owned it. Capitalism worked great. But as time goes by, your neighbor 4 miles from town decides he wants a road as well. He grabs his shovel, pick and hitches up his horses pulling a drag and builds a road that links with yours. He owns HIS 2 miles of road but he doesn't own yours. He asks to use your road and you tell him he can. Things are working just fine. Now, the neighbors further up all want their 2 miles of roads to link up with the other roads. All of a sudden, you have what you feel is excessive traffic on your road. They are leaving ruts. So you put up a sign that explains "This is a private Road and you are Trespassing". Then you back it up with force if necessary. Guess what. Capitalism just failed. In order to bring commerce and civility, the State or County comes in and buys or just takes your road from you using imminent domain and they do that for the whole 2 mile sections of road. The government now must maintain it. This means that all of the Farmers can get their wares to the city to the Farmers Market quickly and easily. This brings in more money. But now, the Government wants to tax you so they can keep the road maintained. Welcome to Socialism. But you still own your farm and the goods you transport get to the farmers market cheaply, and your veggies are fresh as well as your Eggs and Milk. Of course, one farmer may take exception to this because he's crazy. Without that road, he would not make nearly as large a profit at the Farmers Market.

So you did what? just hit any reply button in the thread and post this?

Its' like dealing with Vinnie Barborino. What, when.... Duh.

 

[Doc1]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

It's not the gun's dang it.... It's the mental state of those getting their hands on guns, and then becoming a huge problem after that.

Now who is causing the problem ?? The liberal/leftist/Democrats are the problem.

Why ???? Because they are the first to attack the gun while making excuses for the killers or mentally deficient in life.

Yeah, just take those gun's away, then when we put that deplorable human being who might be mentally unstable to boot (in your space in life), and you reject such a person, then they can't go get that gun to blow everyone away due to that rejection.

I know, I know, what about if we just stop the liberal/leftist/Demon-crats from placing dangerous deplorable people in people's spaces or around their children (just nip it in the bud by being pro-active instead of re-active), and this way crime begins to slow, and culture clash becomes less and less for those whom do want to get along together in life.

Blacks fearing that they will be rebuked if team up with the whites for a great nation, have just got to finally face those fears, and believe in themselves without needing a crutch of some sort to make it in life. We love all Americans in this great nation, and the lies have got to stop.

Most of us stopped reading when you blamed it all on the Liberals and the Left. That is the real problem. As long as both sides blame the other side the changes needed will be slow since both sides are too busy blaming each other to actually come up with a solution. And there IS a solution. Just not the one that both sides in power think there is. But as long as the fringe groups are so noisy, nothing can get done. You are not right, you are just loud.

It's interesting how you pretend you are speaking for "most" people here. You aren't son, you are speaking for yourself. The "Left" has ONE solution, take steps to take guns out of the hands of people who obey the law. Helluva solution there Jaime.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And I suppose you have a reason to oppose the Mental Health parts of the common sense gun regs. Could it be that YOU may not be able to have firearms due to that law?

You mean the one that said people on SS who needed help balancing a checkbook were mentally ill?

You should be happy otherwise the government would come take your guns away for being a feeble old man

All of my finances are electronic in all way. I pay by card and 1 minute after I use the card, the transaction is sitting in my bank and the funds have removed. I use only 1 check a month and that is for Rent. All other transactions are either cash or charge. This feeble old man knows how to balance a checkbook but in todays day and age, that becomes less and less important.

Yes, I am on SSI but I am also on Retired Military Pension and do get money from a business I sold around 2005. As you can see, I worked hard for about 40 years and get paid because of those efforts. I paid in money every month for SSI and Medicare. That's MY money. When your Orange Orangatan and his court of fools start monkeying around with it and allows MY money to be taken out of the Trust and put into the General Fund then they are stealing from me and 10s of millions of other people.

There is no SS trust fund you dolt all your SS comes from the general fund

Who told you that. Here is the ssa.gov site that says it's held in a trust fund.
Social Security Trust Fund Cash Flows and Reserves
Social Security benefits are paid from the reserves of the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) trust fund. The reserves are funded from dedicated tax revenues and interest on accumulated reserve holdings, which are invested in Treasury securities. These cash flows—the tax income, the investment (and redemption) of the securities, the interest on the invested reserves, and the payment of benefits—become critically important when reserves are low relative to benefit payments, as occurred in 1983. In 2015, reserves are large enough that cash flow will not be a problem for the trust fund for almost 20 years. In recent years, attention has focused on the cash flows' effects on the rest of the federal budget. This article examines the cash flows and reserves from the perspective of not just the trust fund itself but also from that of the rest of the budget.

Yes, some politicians are saying what you are saying because they are going to try an dip into that trust fund once more and put it into the general fund. But that is not what was intended for the money. And any politician that does that are stealing from many of us including me. If they do it this time, it may be time to get the ones that vote for it into a Federal Court, hopefully a criminal court.

yeah that's why the so called trust fund has been raided by the fucking government so many times

They use it when they screw the pooch like with the latest "Tax Break" and the whole system goes crazy. I have no idea why we have let them get away with it this long. The sad part is, after the raid, we will send the same people right back to Washington so they can start screwing the pooch all over again until the need to find the cash somewhere so that we won't notice just how bad a job they are actually doing. In any other Business, this would be Graft and Corruption. Are you aware that Congress is exempt form many of those laws? They passed that themselves to keep themselves out of prison. The Federal Government is the most corrupt they have ever been and, yes, this includes the Corrupt Orange One in charge. I won't name the corruption, the list is just too damned long. But I'll give you a hint, it's legal. It's legal if you don't get caught and most never get caught because they have all the rest on their Six.

So all of you , keep pulling either the Red Lever or the Blue lever. The crooks in Washington depend on it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Misleading the Public: How the Social Security Trust Fund Really Works

Hey douchebag...they said exactly what I said. They just don't think we should pay BACK the loan that was taken against our payroll deductions. That's THEFT.

Like I said...The Trust Fund is fine as long as Republicans honor their obligation (those "IOUs...ya know like your fucking MORTGAGE is an IOU)

there is no trust fund and there never was all there ever was is a box stuffed with IOUs that the government writes to itself and guess what the governemnt has no obligation to pay that money out all they have to do is change the law and you are shit out of luck

and if you put money in a bank the bank cannot issue you an IOU they must have REAL ASSETS so that you can withdraw your money anytime you want.

If a baker set up a system like SS he would be put in jail

Congress is exempt from most corruption laws. They passed that law themselves and corrupt Presidents signed it into law. And we keep sending the same crooks back to Washington over and over. So keep voting all one party or the other. They depend on that to continue with their corruption.

 

[Rustic]

I sure as hell do not believe you own any guns or that you support the right to gun ownership in any way

And I suppose you have a reason to oppose the Mental Health parts of the common sense gun regs. Could it be that YOU may not be able to have firearms due to that law?

You mean the one that said people on SS who needed help balancing a checkbook were mentally ill?

You should be happy otherwise the government would come take your guns away for being a feeble old man

All of my finances are electronic in all way. I pay by card and 1 minute after I use the card, the transaction is sitting in my bank and the funds have removed. I use only 1 check a month and that is for Rent. All other transactions are either cash or charge. This feeble old man knows how to balance a checkbook but in todays day and age, that becomes less and less important.

Yes, I am on SSI but I am also on Retired Military Pension and do get money from a business I sold around 2005. As you can see, I worked hard for about 40 years and get paid because of those efforts. I paid in money every month for SSI and Medicare. That's MY money. When your Orange Orangatan and his court of fools start monkeying around with it and allows MY money to be taken out of the Trust and put into the General Fund then they are stealing from me and 10s of millions of other people.

What about people that have paid into socialist entitlement programs all of their adult lives. But now have lost confidence in the “system” for a very long time now and want out of the system altogether? Gladly cutting bait, meaning I would gladly give up everything... everything they have paid in up to this point to no longer be involved in the system in any way.
Fuck the collective

It's always been voluntary. You didn't have to pay into it. You could have opted out. Of course, you would have no income in the later years. I still pay into it even though I am collecting it. While my SSI doesn't have that attached to it anymore, I still pay for it with my Military Retirement Pay which does not have that option to opt out like you sillyvillians have.

Sometime in the early 80s, they took a sizable chunk out of the Old Age Pension (meaning SSI) and in 1986, the fund began shrinking. By the early 90s the fund began to grow again leaving it solvent until about 2032. Now that it's solvent, it appears your buddies want to dip into it again. If left alone or planned better, Medicare would have covered 100% instead of 80. If they get their way on the next round it's going to drop to 73. This is to pay for the latest "Tax Giveaway" to the rich but this affects the poor and middle class. There was no 4000 per person given in tax reliefs. Well, not to the poor and middle class anyway. What we saw was the tax go down by a couple of dollars a month but when we got our Cost of Living, that savings went right out the window. The Cost of Living adjustment didn't keep up with the real cost of living.

We did see more jobs and lower unemployment like was promised to support the tax break. What we got was the loss of many full time jobs and a higher increase in part time jobs. In Sep of 2017, there were 36,200 jobs created but we lost 26,200 full time jobs. Now, that does drive the unemployment rate down. Now for the rest of the story. Those 36,200 jobs created were all part time jobs with lower or zero benefits from the employer and lower pay. The Rich just got Richer and didn't do any of the things that Washington promised they would do. Washington doesn't control the Rich, the Rich controls Washington. So much for "For the People, By the People".

So go ahead and opt out. You can do that if you wish. But you had better have one hell of a IRA for later one and it had better be in the millions or one misstep on your part will have it wiped out in seconds and you are going to be living on welfare which you didn't contribute one dime towards.

Lol
I have never considered socialist entitlement programs as a viable option...
And makes no difference by time I get to that age... they’ll be bankrupt.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Its' like dealing with Vinnie Barborino. What, when.... Duh.

Change your seat Arnold

 

[Daryl Hunt]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

It's not the gun's dang it.... It's the mental state of those getting their hands on guns, and then becoming a huge problem after that.

Now who is causing the problem ?? The liberal/leftist/Democrats are the problem.

Why ???? Because they are the first to attack the gun while making excuses for the killers or mentally deficient in life.

Yeah, just take those gun's away, then when we put that deplorable human being who might be mentally unstable to boot (in your space in life), and you reject such a person, then they can't go get that gun to blow everyone away due to that rejection.

I know, I know, what about if we just stop the liberal/leftist/Demon-crats from placing dangerous deplorable people in people's spaces or around their children (just nip it in the bud by being pro-active instead of re-active), and this way crime begins to slow, and culture clash becomes less and less for those whom do want to get along together in life.

Blacks fearing that they will be rebuked if team up with the whites for a great nation, have just got to finally face those fears, and believe in themselves without needing a crutch of some sort to make it in life. We love all Americans in this great nation, and the lies have got to stop.

Most of us stopped reading when you blamed it all on the Liberals and the Left. That is the real problem. As long as both sides blame the other side the changes needed will be slow since both sides are too busy blaming each other to actually come up with a solution. And there IS a solution. Just not the one that both sides in power think there is. But as long as the fringe groups are so noisy, nothing can get done. You are not right, you are just loud.

It's interesting how you pretend you are speaking for "most" people here. You aren't son, you are speaking for yourself. The "Left" has ONE solution, take steps to take guns out of the hands of people who obey the law. Helluva solution there Jaime.

I speak for MOST people since MOST people in this state have decided to make changes both in Gun Regulations and Social Changes and it works. And not one gun has been banned or confiscated in the process. You are displaying the illness why things will be so chaotic. Find someone or some other group to blame it on. We used Common sense and came up with methods that work. Not always but enough. And we sent the NRA packing in 2013 broke and dejected. Of course, we didn't receive our customary tax refunds from the State for a few years since we had to pay for the things that the legal fees went towards and special elections and recalls that failed that the NRA caused. We had to pay for the run down dangerous bridges, the pot holed state roads, many other programs. All over PR for the gun manufacturers. WE voted at the voting booths. So I can use the word MOST because MOST means the Majority. And we didn't take one single gun out of the hands of the sane tax paying good citizens hands or even take away their right to purchase any thing not covere din the various Extrenous weapons list like Machine Guns, Bazookas, Nuclea Weapons, etc.. We told the fringe groups from both sides just to shut up and sit down. They didn't shut up and sit down but we placed them on ignore and actually did something about many of the problems. The first step is to stop blaming the other side and work to get it fixed. You screaming about how bad the left is (you aren't that wrong) while other scream just how bad the right is (they are that wrong) doesn't do a thing for a solution other than spreading more hate. So keep it up and we will place you on ignore until you start working on the solution instead of being part of the problem.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

you have a 1 in 11000 chance of being killed in a mass shooting and a 1 in 3000 chance of being struck be lightning

you are worrying about the wrong things

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected by these mass shootings...and yes...there are that many now

I really don't care.

People die every day.

------------------------------------------------- thats the thing as every day for all of history people have been living and dying but the lefty dems hone in on guns and try to disarms Americans . Dems just want disarmed Americans because they have EVIL plans after disarming Americans . off topic but concerning unexpected death
How many people just died in the Paradise fire [RiP] and that was just totally unexpected and a good example of people just up dying everyday .

And your Orange Leader spent a good part of a morning laying blame for it instead of looking that real problems that were partial.......

High Winds
Hot Temps
Dry tinder condition
Funds to the BLM and Forest Service cut

What you have is a dry tinder forest that has not had the underbrush removed like it should have complicated by old Mother nature itself and the severe changing of the weather patterns we have had in the last few years. And building homes too close to the fire corridors.

But if we believe your Orange Guru, it's the fault of the Forest Service, the Governor of California and the Democrats. You are saying exactly the same thing. You must have gotten the memo.

 

[2aguy]

you have a 1 in 11000 chance of being killed in a mass shooting and a 1 in 3000 chance of being struck be lightning

you are worrying about the wrong things

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected by these mass shootings...and yes...there are that many now

No...there aren't..... 2017,,117 people killed by mass shooters, 2016... 71.....people falling off ladders and dying...300, cars....38,000.

Mass shootings are rare, and created by gun free zones.

 

[sartre play]

Any gun solutions will require working together, am not interested in the views of the extremes on either end of the divide. it is not true that only one side wants some energy put into finding solutions to avoid our children being mowed down in gun fire. plenty of Republicans want solutions to our problems, & not just the gun deal.

 

[Doc1]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

It's not the gun's dang it.... It's the mental state of those getting their hands on guns, and then becoming a huge problem after that.

Now who is causing the problem ?? The liberal/leftist/Democrats are the problem.

Why ???? Because they are the first to attack the gun while making excuses for the killers or mentally deficient in life.

Yeah, just take those gun's away, then when we put that deplorable human being who might be mentally unstable to boot (in your space in life), and you reject such a person, then they can't go get that gun to blow everyone away due to that rejection.

I know, I know, what about if we just stop the liberal/leftist/Demon-crats from placing dangerous deplorable people in people's spaces or around their children (just nip it in the bud by being pro-active instead of re-active), and this way crime begins to slow, and culture clash becomes less and less for those whom do want to get along together in life.

Blacks fearing that they will be rebuked if team up with the whites for a great nation, have just got to finally face those fears, and believe in themselves without needing a crutch of some sort to make it in life. We love all Americans in this great nation, and the lies have got to stop.

Most of us stopped reading when you blamed it all on the Liberals and the Left. That is the real problem. As long as both sides blame the other side the changes needed will be slow since both sides are too busy blaming each other to actually come up with a solution. And there IS a solution. Just not the one that both sides in power think there is. But as long as the fringe groups are so noisy, nothing can get done. You are not right, you are just loud.

It's interesting how you pretend you are speaking for "most" people here. You aren't son, you are speaking for yourself. The "Left" has ONE solution, take steps to take guns out of the hands of people who obey the law. Helluva solution there Jaime.

I speak for MOST people since MOST people in this state have decided to make changes both in Gun Regulations and Social Changes and it works. And not one gun has been banned or confiscated in the process. You are displaying the illness why things will be so chaotic. Find someone or some other group to blame it on. We used Common sense and came up with methods that work. Not always but enough. And we sent the NRA packing in 2013 broke and dejected. Of course, we didn't receive our customary tax refunds from the State for a few years since we had to pay for the things that the legal fees went towards and special elections and recalls that failed that the NRA caused. We had to pay for the run down dangerous bridges, the pot holed state roads, many other programs. All over PR for the gun manufacturers. WE voted at the voting booths. So I can use the word MOST because MOST means the Majority. And we didn't take one single gun out of the hands of the sane tax paying good citizens hands or even take away their right to purchase any thing not covere din the various Extrenous weapons list like Machine Guns, Bazookas, Nuclea Weapons, etc.. We told the fringe groups from both sides just to shut up and sit down. They didn't shut up and sit down but we placed them on ignore and actually did something about many of the problems. The first step is to stop blaming the other side and work to get it fixed. You screaming about how bad the left is (you aren't that wrong) while other scream just how bad the right is (they are that wrong) doesn't do a thing for a solution other than spreading more hate. So keep it up and we will place you on ignore until you start working on the solution instead of being part of the problem.

You're just like every other Progressive. The Gov is your hammer and you will try at every turn to use it against EVERYONE you disagree with. There is NO solution, that's just the way it is. Deal with the truth.

 

[John Shaw]

Because it didn't happen to them.

 

[2aguy]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

We have had semi automatic rifles, and pistols for well over 100 years....never a problem before. They are no more lethal than any other gun.

Parkland shooter used an AR-15 rifle and murdered 18. A shooter 2 weeks ago in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 21 college students..... it isn't the gun, it is the target area, the fact that all the victims are unarmed, and that police response time allows the killer to kill.

An AR-15 is no different from any other semi automatic rifle. The same way an engine is a Toyota is no different than in a Ford.....they work the same way.

 

[2aguy]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

Here...some actual research into magazines and mass shootings....

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.


LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.


News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.

There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.

In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.


Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[John Shaw]

These mass shootings virtually always involve high- capacity rapid-fire weapons.
There is absolutely no rational reason an ordinary citizen (that is, excluding law-enforcement and military), needs to have such a lethal weapon.
The only reason an ordinary citizen needs a gun is for hunting or target shooting, and the remote possibility that he might need to defend his home at some point.
If you own a gun, you have a responsibility to maintain it, and your competence in handling it. Target shooting is very educational, and hunting is a thrill. Get them both, and you'll have a ball, and, with luck no-one will be killed accidentally in the process.
But, if you need an AR15, you should get a LOT of education, before you go hunting!

We have had semi automatic rifles, and pistols for well over 100 years....never a problem before. They are no more lethal than any other gun.

Parkland shooter used an AR-15 rifle and murdered 18. A shooter 2 weeks ago in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 21 college students..... it isn't the gun, it is the target area, the fact that all the victims are unarmed, and that police response time allows the killer to kill.

An AR-15 is no different from any other semi automatic rifle. The same way an engine is a Toyota is no different than in a Ford.....they work the same way.

Yes, this is true. The weapon doesn't matter. Maybe the next mass killing will be carried out with a good ol' fashioned red ryder.