Zone1 What to Do with Gaza?

[Kruska]

I don't try to blame Israel here. I can't imagine any state would have done something different after similar attack.

No one is blaming Israel for taking action against Hamas and it's militias - this about Israel committing intentional WAR-CRIMES.
Something that obviously also Ukrainians an Russians have a problem with to understand.

My point is all about 'what is next after the active fighting ends'. Some peaceful agreement with the Arab countries that includes the Palestinian issue resolution; returning to the status quo; a big regional war with non-regional powers getting involved... It seems that no one has an answer yet.

You honestly believe that the present and all the former Israeli - retribution actions - have aided in a peace-process??
4800 dead women and children so far - just in Gaza - will create how many new radical Palestinian terrorists?
According to you it will create a basis for peace???

 

[Kruska]

Well historically it’s been the Palestinians who have walked away from 2 state solutions, so they may have already broken too many bridges.

If some foreign imigrants walk into your country - then presenting 40% of the total population (before less then 10%) and forwarding a two state solution via claiming 60% of your territory - would you be willing to sign or walk away?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Are you appealing to the UN as an authority? That's interesting because the same UN you're using as an authority considers Israel's current occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza as illegal. The control that Israel has over Gaza is considered illegal according to international law. Occupiers have no right to defend their occupations. Those who are being occupied have a right to resist, even violently, according to the UN.

What I’m saying is that the UN holds Israel to a standard it holds no other country to.

 

[AZrailwhale]

As the Arabs see the Jews, by His Majesty King Abdullah - Balfour Project

The American Magazine November, 1947 Summary This appeal to the American people, written by King Abdullah, son of Sharif Hussein and grandfather of the current King of Jordan, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the...

balfourproject.org

Excerpt:

Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.

Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.

Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.

We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.

Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous.

No people on earth have been less “anti-Semitic” than the Arabs. The persecution of the Jews has been confined almost entirely to the Christian nations of the West. Jews, themselves, will admit that never since the Great Dispersion did Jews develop so freely and reach such importance as in Spain when it was an Arab possession. With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.

Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.

Generous treatment? Third class residents, far more heavily taxed than Muslims, restricted civil rights, restricted religious worship. Shall I go on?

 

[Kruska]

And Egypt annexed it after conquering it in the 1948 war. Just like Jordan annexed the West Bank at the same time. So YES Gaza was part of Egypt and the UN made no bones about it.

Stop talking nonsense - not a single nation ever recognized Egypt's occupation of Gaza in 1948/9. And an occupation isn't an annexation.

Israel annexed the Israeli occupied Golan-heights - acknowledged only by a single country on this planet - the USA.

 

[Kruska]

Generous treatment? Third class residents, far more heavily taxed than Muslims, restricted civil rights, restricted religious worship. Shall I go on?

Were does this article mention - third class residents - more heavily taxed then Muslims, and so on?

Excerpt:

King Abdullah disputes the mistaken view that Arab opposition to Zionism (and later the state of Israel) is because of longstanding religious or ethnic hatred. He notes that Jews and Muslims enjoyed a long history of peaceful coexistence in the Middle East, and that Jews have historically suffered far more at the hands of Christian Europe. Pointing to the tragedy of the holocaust that Jews suffered during World War II, the monarch asks why America and Europe are refusing to accept more than a token handful of Jewish immigrants and refugees. It is unfair, he argues, to make Palestine, which is innocent of anti-Semitism, pay for the crimes of Europe. King Abdullah also asks how Jews can claim a historic right to Palestine, when Arabs have been the overwhelming majority there for nearly 1300 uninterrupted years?

Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.

It is your press and political leadership, almost alone in the world, who press this demand. It is almost entirely American money which hires or buys the “refugee ships” that steam illegally toward Palestine: American money which pays their crews. The illegal immigration from Europe is arranged by the Jewish Agency, supported almost entirely by American funds. It is American dollars which support the terrorists, which buy the bullets and pistols that kill British soldiers—your allies—and Arab citizens—your friends.

 

[Kruska]

What I’m saying is that the UN holds Israel to a standard it holds no other country to.

The UN condemns Russia's occupation of Crimea, the institutionalizing of Separatist Ukrainian, pro Russian states. Putin's attempt to integrate Donbas and Luhansk into the Russian federation - what on earth are you talking about?

 

[Kruska]

In my opinion, they should all go back to the original UN partition plan. The Palestinians should let go of their attachment to the land that they lost and accept the original UN partition plan. However, due to what is happening now in Gaza, that's probably impossible now. Too much bad blood between the Jews and Palestinians.

The original UN partition plan beholds territory designated for Palestinians - but annexed by Israel in 1948/9 - see the entire Northern sections and 70-80% of the initial Gaza and a huge swath of land around the remaining West-Bank. see the map!

There is no way IMO for the Palestinians to ever get these lands back - nor is there a way for a single state solution - since it would give the Palestinians the majority.

Even if the PLO and Israel would agree to grant an independent Palestine (based on the West-bank - minus the illegal Israeli settlers and their illegal settlements, it would take decades for moderate Palestinians and Israelis to admit towards a single state solution (which IMO is the only way to guarantee peace and the survival of Jews in Israel).

 

[Mr. Friscus]

If some foreign imigrants walk into your country - then presenting 40% of the total population (before less then 10%) and forwarding a two state solution via claiming 60% of your territory - would you be willing to sign or walk away?

Not foreign, historically quite prevalent

 

[Kruska]

Not foreign, historically quite prevalent

Historically prevalent were maybe some of those around 20,000 Jews living in Palestine in 1920. Amongst around 600,000 others !!

Genetically speaking - those Jewish immigrants cant even establish a genetic relevance to those 20,000. Especially not Ashkenazim Jews.
You think/believe that today's Germans are genetically in any relevant way connected to those Celtic and Germanic people who lived there 3000 years ago?

 

[HaShev]

Since Erdogan likes to Chime in, how about we give Gaza to the Kurds as a protective Ally that protect each other, and Turkey can give a border slice with Iraq and Syria for the Palestinians and let them live with them.
Israel will take Erdogans Headache and he can take their's.
2problems solved, and Kurds finally get a Kurdistan to protect them from Racist Genocidal Totalitarian Gov'ts.
Erdogan will probably say no, because Erdogan is a racist.

 

[expat500]

If some foreign imigrants walk into your country

They were probably carried in on stretchers, after surviving death camps, and DP huts on Cyprus.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

TWrong, Gaza was part of EGYPT.

"WAS" is the important word here.

They ATTACKED Israel in an unprovoked war, just as Hamas did. People LOSE TERRITORY in war.

Don't start wars

 

[Carl in Michigan]

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Look how the left has turned on their own

 

[Deadstick]

The original UN partition plan beholds territory designated for Palestinians - but annexed by Israel in 1948/9 - see the entire Northern sections and 70-80% of the initial Gaza and a huge swath of land around the remaining West-Bank. see the map!

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There is no way IMO for the Palestinians to ever get these lands back - nor is there a way for a single state solution - since it would give the Palestinians the majority.

Even if the PLO and Israel would agree to grant an independent Palestine (based on the West-bank - minus the illegal Israeli settlers and their illegal settlements, it would take decades for moderate Palestinians and Israelis to admit towards a single state solution (which IMO is the only way to guarantee peace and the survival of Jews in Israel).

I was always a two state solution Man, however from what we are looking at from the Rabid far right Zionist state unless there is a moderate Regime in Israel i think Israel has to go, because it's a fascist jewish supremacist Regime engaged in Genocide, period.

 

[surada]

As the Arabs see the Jews, by His Majesty King Abdullah - Balfour Project

The American Magazine November, 1947 Summary This appeal to the American people, written by King Abdullah, son of Sharif Hussein and grandfather of the current King of Jordan, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the...

balfourproject.org

Excerpt:

Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.

Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.

Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.

We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.

Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous.

No people on earth have been less “anti-Semitic” than the Arabs. The persecution of the Jews has been confined almost entirely to the Christian nations of the West. Jews, themselves, will admit that never since the Great Dispersion did Jews develop so freely and reach such importance as in Spain when it was an Arab possession. With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.

Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.

FYI

 

[Dogmaphobe]

As the Arabs see the Jews, by His Majesty King Abdullah - Balfour Project

The American Magazine November, 1947 Summary This appeal to the American people, written by King Abdullah, son of Sharif Hussein and grandfather of the current King of Jordan, appeared in the United States six months before the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. In the article, King Abdullah disputes the...

balfourproject.org

Excerpt:

Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.

Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.

Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.

We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.

Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous.

No people on earth have been less “anti-Semitic” than the Arabs. The persecution of the Jews has been confined almost entirely to the Christian nations of the West. Jews, themselves, will admit that never since the Great Dispersion did Jews develop so freely and reach such importance as in Spain when it was an Arab possession. With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.

Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.

and not once does he mention a people called "Palestinian".

 

[expat500]

What to do with Gaza?

Give it back to the British,

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What to do with Gaza?

Give it back to the British,

It's not theirs, and their empire says are long gone. It belongs to Israel or Egypt. Israel's decision

 

[Pete7469]

What to do with Gaza?

Give it back to the British,

Or the Canaanites.

Oh wait....