What would you do with the second amendment?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

NOTHING

And I have ZERO gun rights

That can be read either way

Not to anyone who knows me

I don't agree with that. You're conservative most of the time. But you take flyers and go left on random issues

Sue me for anti totem pole thoughts....


Fucking hell

Non-sequitur. The only conclusion I came to is that I don't know when you're going to go left so a statement from you that can be read either way isn't unambiguous.

Tell me what your fur throwing response had to do with that

Non what?

Keep your fucking spelling bee to yourself.

Thanks

 

[Pilot1]

Bump stocks are a joke. I have been shooting for forty years, and have never seen one, nor have I ever known someone that owned one. You will probably never see them used in a crime again, but the media/Democrats loves to use them to generate emotion, and cries to "do something".

 

[kaz]

Bump stocks are a joke. I have been shooting for forty years, and have never seen one, nor have I ever known someone that owned one. You will probably never see them used in a crime again, but the media/Democrats loves to use them to generate emotion, and cries to "do something".

Agreed. It's a trap. If we go along with bump stock bans, then they have a basis to move on for further bans. If we oppose them, then Democrats are like OMG, they won't go along with banning something with no legitimate non-lethal purpose.

Unfortunately, they control the press and the message

 

[danielpalos]

Leave it alone and institute sensible gun regulations

Sounds like you have a desire to infringe.

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Wellness of regulation, what a concept, right, right wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

Leave it alone and institute sensible gun regulations

Sounds like you have a desire to infringe.

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Na, not under progressives terms...

Posse registry and militia enrollment, should be enough.

 

[danielpalos]

Leave it alone and institute sensible gun regulations

Sounds like you have a desire to infringe.

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

That was the context of the era. And, well regulated militia must muster to become, well regulated.

 

[rightwinger]

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

The context of well regulated hasn’t changed

Well regulated has never meant a bunch of gun nuts running around

There you go again, reading it out of context. The federal government has no right to know what individual firearm ownership is.

Of course they do. They need to know who owns guns so they can have well regulated militias

Don’t you care about the security of a free state?

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds like you have a desire to infringe.

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

That was the context of the era. And, well regulated militia must muster to become, well regulated.

Well regulated militias of the era had an organization, membership rolls, training, lists of weapons

Showing why gun registration, licensing and background checks are acceptable under the second amendment

 

[danielpalos]

Leave it alone and institute sensible gun regulations

As long as the Second Amendment remains in effect, every single one of your so-called “sensible gun regulations” is blatantly unconstitutional and illegal. But then that sort of lawlessness and corruption is exactly what your side is all about.

Is preventing felons from owning guns unconstitutional?

Is preventing people from owning anti-aircraft ordinance unconstitutional?

Is preventing people from easily purchasing grenades unconstitutional?

Are background checks unconstitutional?

People love to throw out the whole "shall not be infringed" line, but in reality its already been infringed upon. The only question is was it reasonable. Republicans seem to have drawn a line in sand and declared that what we have now is an acceptable amount of infringement. But any more infringement, no matter how small or reasonable, is tantamount to confiscating guns.

Your first question is fundamentally different from the others in that the Constitution actually says with due process of law you can suspend someone's Constitutional rights. Leftists never grasp that, it's pathetic. Anyway, carry on ...

The UnOrganized militia is specifically subject to the police power and not Exempted, like well regulated militia, when Being Necessary.

 

[danielpalos]

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

The context of well regulated hasn’t changed

Well regulated has never meant a bunch of gun nuts running around

There you go again, reading it out of context. The federal government has no right to know what individual firearm ownership is.

Have you read the militia acts?

 

[rightwinger]

Leave it alone and institute sensible gun regulations

Sounds like you have a desire to infringe.

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

No...the Founders didn't want any of that.

Background checks.....don't stop criminals or mass shooters. Universal Background checks will end in registration of guns...

Registration...unConstitutional...Haynes v United States ruled that criminals do not have to register their illegal guns...therefore, normal, law abiding gun owners do not have to register their legal guns

Required training....un Constitutional the same way that Literacy Tests were declared unConstitutional when democrats used them to keep black Americans from voting.

Licensing, unnecessary......criminals can't buy, own or carry guns so they can't get a license in the first place. Mass shooters will simply get a license. Also, unConstitutional if you charge any fee....that would be the same as Poll Tax for voting. We don't need a license, since law abiding people can legally own and carry guns. If you are stopped by the police and they find you with a gun, they run your name for felony convictions, if you don't pop up on that, they have no reason to hassle you. If you do...you can already be arrested. See, no reason for a license other than to make owning a gun more expensive and to put law abiding gun owners in legal peril....

All perfectly allowable by the second amendment

 

[danielpalos]

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

That was the context of the era. And, well regulated militia must muster to become, well regulated.

Well regulated militias of the era had an organization, membership rolls, training, lists of weapons

Showing why gun registration, licensing and background checks are acceptable under the second amendment

Well regulated militia must be enrolled militia.

And, a posse registry could provide gun lovers with an opportunity to love their guns in public, under police supervision.

 

[rightwinger]

The US Government needs a list of all gun owners and the weapons they have.

It is the only way we can form well regulated militias

 

[danielpalos]

The US Government needs a list of all gun owners and the weapons they have.

It is the only way we can form well regulated militias

The militia acts seemed to assume rifle infantry from unorganized militia; well regulated militia would be needed for heavier weapons (sections.)

A caliber range could be required for the unorganized militia.

 

[sparky]

One would think the term 'militia' ,at least in the FF's 2nd context, would be anything but gub'mit conscripts. In fact,one could easily read 10th'ers stance into it.

How bad would it be if each state was in fact responsible for the creation , and maintenance of it's own militia ?

Something that would not bow to the Feds (funding strings)

Wouldn't that be in step with FF's constitutional foersight?

~S~

 

[westwall]

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

The context of well regulated hasn’t changed

Well regulated has never meant a bunch of gun nuts running around

There you go again, reading it out of context. The federal government has no right to know what individual firearm ownership is.

Of course they do. They need to know who owns guns so they can have well regulated militias

Don’t you care about the security of a free state?

If your position were factual there would be lists of gun owners from the era. There aren't. Thus you are mistaken.

 

[BluesLegend]

What would you do with the second amendment?

Display it at the entrance of ever government building in the country.

 

[westwall]

Background Checks, Registration, required training, licensing.......it is what our founders wanted

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

That was the context of the era. And, well regulated militia must muster to become, well regulated.

Well regulated militias of the era had an organization, membership rolls, training, lists of weapons

Showing why gun registration, licensing and background checks are acceptable under the second amendment

Really? Show us one of those lists please. I can find muster rolls that were used for payment purposes, but the rest of what you claim is simply silly. The Pennsylvania National Guard, and the New York National Guard, did indeed keep records like you describe, but they were State Units. Not militia.

 

[westwall]

The US Government needs a list of all gun owners and the weapons they have.

It is the only way we can form well regulated militias

Based on the fact that not one of those lists exist from the era, your claim is ridiculous. The FF's had a healthy fear of big government so made it as difficult as possible for the government to interfere with the Peoples gun ownership. They would have thrown any person making your claims into the sewer had you had the audacity to make your claim to their faces.

 

[danielpalos]

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is Necessary.

Yes it is clear what is necessary

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state

Well regulated militias need to register their members, train them, know what kind of weapons their members carry

Read it in the context of the era... you Might learn something for once.

That was the context of the era. And, well regulated militia must muster to become, well regulated.

Well regulated militias of the era had an organization, membership rolls, training, lists of weapons

Showing why gun registration, licensing and background checks are acceptable under the second amendment

Really? Show us one of those lists please. I can find muster rolls that were used for payment purposes, but the rest of what you claim is simply silly. The Pennsylvania National Guard, and the New York National Guard, did indeed keep records like you describe, but they were State Units. Not militia.

Militia must be enrolled, to become well regulated.