What's wrong with smart guns?

[westwall]

So? Explain to me how the Japanese and the Scandinavians have higher suicide rates than us without guns.

I don't know, that's your point to prove.

In the meantime, read the link. States with lax gun law are really good at offing themselves.

No. That is a fact. That is a fact that blows your contention right out of the water.

What is? And why the awkward spacing in your posts?

Japan has a culture of suicide. Wyoming has a culture of suicide compared to other US states.

The US is projected this year to have more gun deaths than auto deaths. That's not good, driving is one of the most dangerous activities Americans partake in on a daily basis.

I know....the facts, the truth and reality show you have no argument...Japan, South Korea and China....and apparently Scandinavia all have suicide rates higher than ours...a lot higher...and they don't have access to guns......especially in Japan, South Korea and China....

And 19,000 Americans also committed suicide without guns......

No one is claiming suicide does not happen in the absence of guns, just that guns make suicide more effective and prevalent in the US. Comparing a culture such as Japan that has a different history and culture in regards to suicide is not an apt comparison.

They have to take intentionally illegal actions with guns, intentional self harm with guns to get even close to accidents with cars....

Gun accidental death in 2013.... 505

Car accidental death in 2013... 35,000

that is comparing apples to apples...

What is this? link.

And once again for the terminally dishonest. The experience from Japan and Scandinavia provide irrefutable, factual data that your assertion is false. That's it, full stop.. YOU. ARE. WRONG.

 

[2aguy]

Your link is wildly optimistic. The best rate tested by a non biased source is 90% reliable. And that company is now out of business.

Even using your 90% number you are still quite safe. You are first very unlikely to be attacked in some way. Second your are extremely unlikely to need to fire a gun. And last you still have 90% chance it will fire. You are so scared that isn't enough for you? Are you a little bunny?

What is your non biased source?

Bullshit. Take ten cookies. Coat one with cyanide. Place in bowl and have someone else mix them. Choose one and eat it. An intellectually honest person would agree that those are not favorable odds WITH YOUR LIFE!

But we know that you are not intellectually honest so have fun with your retarded circle jerk.

Please. What percent do you put on you being attacked and needing to fire there little bunny? Why is it I know so many people that are completely unarmed and they aren't scared?

It doesn't matter jackass. If there is a one tenth of one percent chance that I will need a gun and it won't work that is too much. The fact that you're mentally deficient doesn't alter the fact that I value my life and I will make sure that I have the best possible equipment to protect it. The fact that it seems you would take your children and put them in a car seat that isn't the absolute best that it can be reflects rather poorly on you.

Real life and real death matter to those who are affected. Your delusional BS is just that. BS.

Yes it does matter. You are really scared and paranoid. You are aware there are only about 1.5 million violent crimes each year right? We are a country of over 300 million. Right there your chance of being a victim is just a fraction of a percent. Then you can figure many of the victims are involved in criminal activity. So if you aren't its a lower tiny fraction of a percent for you. And in murders most people are killed by a friend or family so you wouldn't be given a chance to use your gun anyhow. And you gun guys insist in like 99.999% of the time the gun doesn't need to be fired for a defense. So you are this scared and paranoid about miniscule fraction of a percent chance you will need to shoot? And then even with your ridiculous claim you still have 90% chance? And keep in mind the better source I used says they are over 99%. Wow you are timid, you need therapy. Imagine how you would be in someplace like Iraq that isn't so safe.

How paranoid are all the rape, robbery and murder victims.....just before they are raped, robbed or murdered? Or are you saying that rape, robbery and murder are just fairy tales?

 

[westwall]

Your link is wildly optimistic. The best rate tested by a non biased source is 90% reliable. And that company is now out of business.

Even using your 90% number you are still quite safe. You are first very unlikely to be attacked in some way. Second your are extremely unlikely to need to fire a gun. And last you still have 90% chance it will fire. You are so scared that isn't enough for you? Are you a little bunny?

What is your non biased source?

Bullshit. Take ten cookies. Coat one with cyanide. Place in bowl and have someone else mix them. Choose one and eat it. An intellectually honest person would agree that those are not favorable odds WITH YOUR LIFE!

But we know that you are not intellectually honest so have fun with your retarded circle jerk.

Please. What percent do you put on you being attacked and needing to fire there little bunny? Why is it I know so many people that are completely unarmed and they aren't scared?

It doesn't matter jackass. If there is a one tenth of one percent chance that I will need a gun and it won't work that is too much. The fact that you're mentally deficient doesn't alter the fact that I value my life and I will make sure that I have the best possible equipment to protect it. The fact that it seems you would take your children and put them in a car seat that isn't the absolute best that it can be reflects rather poorly on you.

Real life and real death matter to those who are affected. Your delusional BS is just that. BS.

Yes it does matter. You are really scared and paranoid. You are aware there are only about 1.5 million violent crimes each year right? We are a country of over 300 million. Right there your chance of being a victim is just a fraction of a percent. Then you can figure many of the victims are involved in criminal activity. So if you aren't its a lower tiny fraction of a percent for you. And in murders most people are killed by a friend or family so you wouldn't be given a chance to use your gun anyhow. And you gun guys insist in like 99.999% of the time the gun doesn't need to be fired for a defense. So you are this scared and paranoid about miniscule fraction of a percent chance you will need to shoot? And then even with your ridiculous claim you still have 90% chance? And keep in mind the better source I used says they are over 99%. Wow you are timid, you need therapy. Imagine how you would be in someplace like Iraq that isn't so safe.

No. I'm not. I am prepared pure and simple. You are a moron. Pure and simple. Your facts have been PROVEN false on numerous occasions and yet you continue to trot them out as if they are meaningful. They're not and neither are you. You're a dishonest fool. That's all.

 

[HappyJoy]

Provide some evidence to that. And by the way, a person contemplating suicide with a gun is not a safe environment to be in.

Japan and Scandinavia are my evidence. Murder suicides are not run of the mill suicides so yet again you are wrong. Try again.

it's apples and oranges. What would their suicide rate be with guns? You can't possibly know.

So, in the U.S. find a study that shows there is no correlation between guns and suicide.

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

 

[2aguy]

So? Explain to me how the Japanese and the Scandinavians have higher suicide rates than us without guns.

I don't know, that's your point to prove.

In the meantime, read the link. States with lax gun law are really good at offing themselves.

No. That is a fact. That is a fact that blows your contention right out of the water.

What is? And why the awkward spacing in your posts?

Japan has a culture of suicide. Wyoming has a culture of suicide compared to other US states.

The US is projected this year to have more gun deaths than auto deaths. That's not good, driving is one of the most dangerous activities Americans partake in on a daily basis.

I know....the facts, the truth and reality show you have no argument...Japan, South Korea and China....and apparently Scandinavia all have suicide rates higher than ours...a lot higher...and they don't have access to guns......especially in Japan, South Korea and China....

And 19,000 Americans also committed suicide without guns......

No one is claiming suicide does not happen in the absence of guns, just that guns make suicide more effective and prevalent in the US. Comparing a culture such as Japan that has a different history and culture in regards to suicide is not an apt comparison.

They have to take intentionally illegal actions with guns, intentional self harm with guns to get even close to accidents with cars....

Gun accidental death in 2013.... 505

Car accidental death in 2013... 35,000

that is comparing apples to apples...

What is this? link.

And no one is claiming that suicide does not happen in Japan, south korea and China......just that Bullet Trains, tall Buildings and chemicals in the home as well as rope make suicide more effective....

 

[2aguy]

Japan and Scandinavia are my evidence. Murder suicides are not run of the mill suicides so yet again you are wrong. Try again.

it's apples and oranges. What would their suicide rate be with guns? You can't possibly know.

So, in the U.S. find a study that shows there is no correlation between guns and suicide.

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

yeah.....where did you get that stat and how many years does it cover...because that is not a yearly stat. You realize that right? This is another gun grabber lie technique..they lump large periods of time together, and don't tell you they did it so they get this huge number........to scare people who don't follow the actual links.....

 

[westwall]

Japan and Scandinavia are my evidence. Murder suicides are not run of the mill suicides so yet again you are wrong. Try again.

it's apples and oranges. What would their suicide rate be with guns? You can't possibly know.

So, in the U.S. find a study that shows there is no correlation between guns and suicide.

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

 

[HappyJoy]

it's apples and oranges. What would their suicide rate be with guns? You can't possibly know.

So, in the U.S. find a study that shows there is no correlation between guns and suicide.

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

yeah.....where did you get that stat and how many years does it cover...because that is not a yearly stat. You realize that right? This is another gun grabber lie technique..they lump large periods of time together, and don't tell you they did it so they get this huge number........to scare people who don't follow the actual links.....

I already posted the link, it clearly states the time line from 2000-2002.

 

[HappyJoy]

it's apples and oranges. What would their suicide rate be with guns? You can't possibly know.

So, in the U.S. find a study that shows there is no correlation between guns and suicide.

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

The number of non gun suicides was about even. The states with high gun ownership rates is a different story. Correlation does not equal causation but you insist on using Japan as an example? How perfectly inconsistent of you.

 

[2aguy]

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

yeah.....where did you get that stat and how many years does it cover...because that is not a yearly stat. You realize that right? This is another gun grabber lie technique..they lump large periods of time together, and don't tell you they did it so they get this huge number........to scare people who don't follow the actual links.....

I already posted the link, it clearly states the time line from 2000-2002.

Oh...I see.....it looked like they were talking millions...

Total suicides in the whole country from the CDC in 2013....

41,149

from guns...

21/175

From unspecified...not guns...

19,974


And in Japan, South Korea, and China....all suicides...not guns...

again....guns are not the issue...

 

[2aguy]

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

The number of non gun suicides was about even. The states with high gun ownership rates is a different story. Correlation does not equal causation but you insist on using Japan as an example? How perfectly inconsistent of you.

No...you are the one who thinks guns are the issue...we give you a number of countries without access to guns and 2x the suicide rate..and you say it doesn't matter.......

The facts, the truth and reality show you are wrong....

 

[HappyJoy]

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

yeah.....where did you get that stat and how many years does it cover...because that is not a yearly stat. You realize that right? This is another gun grabber lie technique..they lump large periods of time together, and don't tell you they did it so they get this huge number........to scare people who don't follow the actual links.....

I already posted the link, it clearly states the time line from 2000-2002.

Oh...I see.....it looked like they were talking millions...

Total suicides in the whole country from the CDC in 2013....

41,149

from guns...

21/175

From unspecified...not guns...

19,974


And in Japan, South Korea, and China....all suicides...not guns...

again....guns are not the issue...

What is 21/175? Is that 21,175? So like almost half of all suicides are by gun? Kind of high.

 

[westwall]

Neither can you. What we DO know is that even with no access to guns the Japanese and the Scandinavians exceed our suicide rate and by a lot. So your assertion that banning guns will prevent suicide fails it's very first test. That's how science works.

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

The number of non gun suicides was about even. The states with high gun ownership rates is a different story. Correlation does not equal causation but you insist on using Japan as an example? How perfectly inconsistent of you.

It's not correlational. It is factual that Japanese have no access to firearms and their suicide rate is double ours. No correlation needed silly boy.

 

[HappyJoy]

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

The number of non gun suicides was about even. The states with high gun ownership rates is a different story. Correlation does not equal causation but you insist on using Japan as an example? How perfectly inconsistent of you.

No...you are the one who thinks guns are the issue...we give you a number of countries without access to guns and 2x the suicide rate..and you say it doesn't matter.......

The facts, the truth and reality show you are wrong....

Japan has a long history of suicide in their culture. It's not the same as ours. However in the US, as pointed out states with high gun ownership have higher suicide rates due to the use of guns.

 

[HappyJoy]

I'm not using Japan or Scandinavia as evidence, you are. FInd a study in the US where guns don't make a difference in suicide rates. Should be easy.

I don't have to, gjuns don't make a difference in the greater suicide rate in Japan, South Korea and China....and they don't make a difference in the 19,000 suicides in this country that do not use guns....

You can use anti gun biased medical research all you want, it doesn't change the truth, facts or reality.

More guns, more suicide

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

From the link neither one of you opted to click on.

Big deal. Correlation does not equal causation except in the minds of intellectually dishonest people. You have shown your stripes. You can leave now because you are full of shit and no amount of factual data that refutes everything you say will ever alter your political goals. You're a propagandist. We ALL know that. You have failed, so stop wasting yours and our time.

The number of non gun suicides was about even. The states with high gun ownership rates is a different story. Correlation does not equal causation but you insist on using Japan as an example? How perfectly inconsistent of you.

It's not correlational. It is factual that Japanese have no access to firearms and their suicide rate is double ours. No correlation needed silly boy.

And? Would their suicide rate go up by 10, 20, 30, 40% with guns? We dons't know this, hence is a bogus comparison.

You expect our suicide rates to naturally be at the same level but there is no reason to make this assumption.

 

[Brain357]

Well that is very unlikely to happen. And as the link I posted showed smart guns are over 99% so you would still be fine. Me and most the people I know do not carry a gun and have been fine. Stop being so scared.

Your link is wildly optimistic. The best rate tested by a non biased source is 90% reliable. And that company is now out of business.

Even using your 90% number you are still quite safe. You are first very unlikely to be attacked in some way. Second your are extremely unlikely to need to fire a gun. And last you still have 90% chance it will fire. You are so scared that isn't enough for you? Are you a little bunny?

What is your non biased source?

Bullshit. Take ten cookies. Coat one with cyanide. Place in bowl and have someone else mix them. Choose one and eat it. An intellectually honest person would agree that those are not favorable odds WITH YOUR LIFE!

But we know that you are not intellectually honest so have fun with your retarded circle jerk.

Please. What percent do you put on you being attacked and needing to fire there little bunny? Why is it I know so many people that are completely unarmed and they aren't scared?

I don't give a fuck moron. Real life isn't a game. Real life is one shot. Take your BS games and take a flying leap.

Real life is you are very, very unlikely to be attacked. Real life is if you are attacked just pointing a gun at the person will stop them. You live in some fantasy place where you are really scared.

 

[Brain357]

Even using your 90% number you are still quite safe. You are first very unlikely to be attacked in some way. Second your are extremely unlikely to need to fire a gun. And last you still have 90% chance it will fire. You are so scared that isn't enough for you? Are you a little bunny?

What is your non biased source?

Bullshit. Take ten cookies. Coat one with cyanide. Place in bowl and have someone else mix them. Choose one and eat it. An intellectually honest person would agree that those are not favorable odds WITH YOUR LIFE!

But we know that you are not intellectually honest so have fun with your retarded circle jerk.

Please. What percent do you put on you being attacked and needing to fire there little bunny? Why is it I know so many people that are completely unarmed and they aren't scared?

It doesn't matter jackass. If there is a one tenth of one percent chance that I will need a gun and it won't work that is too much. The fact that you're mentally deficient doesn't alter the fact that I value my life and I will make sure that I have the best possible equipment to protect it. The fact that it seems you would take your children and put them in a car seat that isn't the absolute best that it can be reflects rather poorly on you.

Real life and real death matter to those who are affected. Your delusional BS is just that. BS.

Yes it does matter. You are really scared and paranoid. You are aware there are only about 1.5 million violent crimes each year right? We are a country of over 300 million. Right there your chance of being a victim is just a fraction of a percent. Then you can figure many of the victims are involved in criminal activity. So if you aren't its a lower tiny fraction of a percent for you. And in murders most people are killed by a friend or family so you wouldn't be given a chance to use your gun anyhow. And you gun guys insist in like 99.999% of the time the gun doesn't need to be fired for a defense. So you are this scared and paranoid about miniscule fraction of a percent chance you will need to shoot? And then even with your ridiculous claim you still have 90% chance? And keep in mind the better source I used says they are over 99%. Wow you are timid, you need therapy. Imagine how you would be in someplace like Iraq that isn't so safe.

How paranoid are all the rape, robbery and murder victims.....just before they are raped, robbed or murdered? Or are you saying that rape, robbery and murder are just fairy tales?

Look at the stats, you aren't very likely to fall victim to any of those. And with rape the vast majority aren't defendable with a gun. With murder you are most likely to know the person so I doubt they will give you an opportunity to defend yourself with a gun. We are a country of over 300 million people. Only 1.5 million violent crimes each year. Many of which are gang related. You in a gang? If not you are really safe, don't be so scared.

 

[Brain357]

Even using your 90% number you are still quite safe. You are first very unlikely to be attacked in some way. Second your are extremely unlikely to need to fire a gun. And last you still have 90% chance it will fire. You are so scared that isn't enough for you? Are you a little bunny?

What is your non biased source?

Bullshit. Take ten cookies. Coat one with cyanide. Place in bowl and have someone else mix them. Choose one and eat it. An intellectually honest person would agree that those are not favorable odds WITH YOUR LIFE!

But we know that you are not intellectually honest so have fun with your retarded circle jerk.

Please. What percent do you put on you being attacked and needing to fire there little bunny? Why is it I know so many people that are completely unarmed and they aren't scared?

It doesn't matter jackass. If there is a one tenth of one percent chance that I will need a gun and it won't work that is too much. The fact that you're mentally deficient doesn't alter the fact that I value my life and I will make sure that I have the best possible equipment to protect it. The fact that it seems you would take your children and put them in a car seat that isn't the absolute best that it can be reflects rather poorly on you.

Real life and real death matter to those who are affected. Your delusional BS is just that. BS.

Yes it does matter. You are really scared and paranoid. You are aware there are only about 1.5 million violent crimes each year right? We are a country of over 300 million. Right there your chance of being a victim is just a fraction of a percent. Then you can figure many of the victims are involved in criminal activity. So if you aren't its a lower tiny fraction of a percent for you. And in murders most people are killed by a friend or family so you wouldn't be given a chance to use your gun anyhow. And you gun guys insist in like 99.999% of the time the gun doesn't need to be fired for a defense. So you are this scared and paranoid about miniscule fraction of a percent chance you will need to shoot? And then even with your ridiculous claim you still have 90% chance? And keep in mind the better source I used says they are over 99%. Wow you are timid, you need therapy. Imagine how you would be in someplace like Iraq that isn't so safe.

No. I'm not. I am prepared pure and simple. You are a moron. Pure and simple. Your facts have been PROVEN false on numerous occasions and yet you continue to trot them out as if they are meaningful. They're not and neither are you. You're a dishonest fool. That's all.

Yes you are. I just showed you how safe you are, yet you still are scared. It is really quite pathetic.

 

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Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

Perhaps you're lucky. The military only uses the best and most reliable weapons. Here's part of a report on the M4 from late 2002. There were many malfunctions, including 20 percent of users experiencing a double feed, 15 percent experiencing feeding jams, and 13 percent saying that feeding problems were due to magazines. 20 percent of users were dissatisfied with weapon maintenance. Some had trouble locking the magazine into the weapon and having to chamber a round in order to lock the magazine.

Ak47 has a malfunction rate of 1 per 1000 rounds fired
M16 has a malfunction rate of 2 per 1000 rounds fired
The smart gun that right wingers claimed to have a 20% failure rate actually has documented proof of no more than 3 per 1000 rounds fired. No it isn't up to the standards of what the military requires for combat weapons, but it is far from being undependable as was claimed. We both know dependability always increases after initial production runs.




Those are all magazine failures. Take a look at the failure rate for PMAGS. It's non existent which is why operators use those.

A failure keeps it from firing doesn't it?

Yes, it does, and the M-16 magazine, as designed, was meant to be used once and then discarded. Budget issues got in the way of that but the government has never mandated a redesign. Operators use PMAGS because they work. Many soldiers I know buy their own PMAGS and take then with them on deployment. In other words it is a preventable failure. The smart guns are not preventable.

 

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Smart guns, which will only shoot with the owner's fingerprint, would prevent children from shooting themselves and others, and thieves and criminals couldn't use them. Gun rights advocates will say they are a form of gun control and a violation of the second amendment rights. I say abide by the second amendment by owning a musket. When rapid fire guns were invented no gun rights person refused to use them because they weren't muskets. Time changes everything. As for hacking a smart gun, you're more likely to have your phone or computer hacked and that doesn't stop people from using them. And they worry that the government will "track" them. So? We've been tracked for years and it hasn't made an iota of difference in our lives.

Thanks for being so open about your hatred for the Constitution.

No one so ignorant to say we can only use muskets has any level of 'like' for freedom or the Constitution.

you even went on and openly supported the government to further invade our privacy