When did Junk Plans become Junk Plans

[francoHFW]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

 

[Flopper]

In all the debate over Obamadon'tcare, I don't recall much discussion about "Junk Plans". It was always about "you could keep your insurance if you like it".

Period.

Then our Affirmative Action Non-Hero gets has skinny ass caught in a wringer and all of sudden, these became junk plans.

I am sure there might have been a few statements about this prior to the BIG LIE being exposed, but I don't recall hearing it at all.

If the left can't produce 1000 clips of this, then they have to admit that this is nothing more than a scorched earth effort to divert from the fact that our incompetent president is also an incompetent liar.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THE LEFT BECOMES CONCERNED about our junk plans.

And Ed Shultz has the moxy and the dead brain cells to push this pile of horseshyt.

If you are from the left, don't bother posting about what the plans did and did not cover, that is just more smoke. It really does not matter if you think they are junk or not.

You were pretty quiet on the whole topic prior to the BIG LIE. That is what this is about. Negs to anyone who compares plans.

And maybe I am wrong about this. But I just don't recall seeing it.

All I heard was the may plan (good or bad) and doctor were safe from any issues because of Obamacare.

Let's see it.

Getting rid of junk insurance plans, not to be confused with high deductible catastrophic plans have been a goal since day one. Junk health insurance plans provide some coverage for day to day healthcare but fail to provide converge for real major medical expenses. Barebones plans, Mimi- med plans, healthcare cards are typical junk plans. According to Forbes, there are over 1200 such plans covering nearly 4 million people. Most but not all of these plans are illegal under the ACA.

 

[Kosh]

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You didn't make a point to refute.

Percentages don't mean squat. It's the absolute numbers that matter and obviously, Romeny didn't get enough of that. Given Obama's lackluster performance at the polls...somebody stayed home.

Uh, no, guy.

Romney actually got MORE votes than McCain did. Not by much, but he got more. And he only got slightly less than bush did in 2004. Which is pretty much everything that could go right for the GOP going right.

Obama did get 3 million less votes than he did in 2008. But the point is- WHERE did he get less votes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true#gid=19

Here's a helpful chart about voter turnout. It was less in states that were not battleground states. In short, we knew Romney would take Wymoing and Obama would take Illinois... So no big surprise, voting totals were down in those states.

Most of the non-battleground states, the voting totals were down. (Ironically, it was up in Utah, the "Mormon Moment" was here.)

Now in the 12 "Swing States", voter participation was up in 9 of them. ANd Obama won 11 of the 12. (only losing North Carolina, where the voter particiaption was up 4.51%)

The real numbers are that 8 million less votes for Obama than in 2008 and Romney got 1 million less votes than McCain did. Had Romney matched McCain it would have been a close race.

And of course we have the far left Obama drone talking points in all this.

 

[Kosh]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

Link!

 

[Amelia]

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You didn't make a point to refute.

Percentages don't mean squat. It's the absolute numbers that matter and obviously, Romeny didn't get enough of that. Given Obama's lackluster performance at the polls...somebody stayed home.

Uh, no, guy.

Romney actually got MORE votes than McCain did. Not by much, but he got more. And he only got slightly less than bush did in 2004. Which is pretty much everything that could go right for the GOP going right.

Obama did get 3 million less votes than he did in 2008. But the point is- WHERE did he get less votes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true#gid=19

Here's a helpful chart about voter turnout. It was less in states that were not battleground states. In short, we knew Romney would take Wymoing and Obama would take Illinois... So no big surprise, voting totals were down in those states.

Most of the non-battleground states, the voting totals were down. (Ironically, it was up in Utah, the "Mormon Moment" was here.)

Now in the 12 "Swing States", voter participation was up in 9 of them. ANd Obama won 11 of the 12. (only losing North Carolina, where the voter particiaption was up 4.51%)

The real numbers are that 8 million less votes for Obama than in 2008 and Romney got 1 million less votes than McCain did. Had Romney matched McCain it would have been a close race.

And of course we have the far left Obama drone talking points in all this.

Romney got more votes than McCain.

McCain: 59,948,323

Romney: 60,933,500

 

[Amelia]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

Link!

Don't hold your breath on that one!

 

[mudwhistle]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

So that makes the lies okay?

Sorry, there's word for someone who's afraid to tell the truth.

Coward.

 

[Kosh]

Uh, no, guy.

Romney actually got MORE votes than McCain did. Not by much, but he got more. And he only got slightly less than bush did in 2004. Which is pretty much everything that could go right for the GOP going right.

Obama did get 3 million less votes than he did in 2008. But the point is- WHERE did he get less votes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true#gid=19

Here's a helpful chart about voter turnout. It was less in states that were not battleground states. In short, we knew Romney would take Wymoing and Obama would take Illinois... So no big surprise, voting totals were down in those states.

Most of the non-battleground states, the voting totals were down. (Ironically, it was up in Utah, the "Mormon Moment" was here.)

Now in the 12 "Swing States", voter participation was up in 9 of them. ANd Obama won 11 of the 12. (only losing North Carolina, where the voter particiaption was up 4.51%)

The real numbers are that 8 million less votes for Obama than in 2008 and Romney got 1 million less votes than McCain did. Had Romney matched McCain it would have been a close race.

And of course we have the far left Obama drone talking points in all this.

Romney got more votes than McCain.

McCain: 59,948,323

Romney: 60,933,500

Now you have done it, I can't argue with the far left just to argue.

 

[Amelia]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

This is pretty funny considering how many people are going to find their budgets pinched to the max by the higher premiums and/or unaffordable deductibles Obama has forced on them.

 

[Flopper]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

That's one of the big problems with junk plans. People show up at hospitals thinking that they actually have insurance coverage only to find out they have a $2,000 yearly maximum, generic drug coverage, or a discount at selected healthcare providers. People go bust trying to pay off a portion of their hospital bill and the hospital writes off the rest which translates in higher costs for everyone.

 

[Kosh]

OP- Since 3/4 of medical bankruptcies are people who thought they had good insurance, it's obvious the dupes are perfect chumps of not only Pubs...

That's one of the big problems with junk plans. People show up at hospitals thinking that they actually have insurance coverage only to find out they have a $2,000 yearly maximum, generic drug coverage, or a discount at selected healthcare providers. People go bust trying to pay off a portion of their hospital bill and the hospital writes off the rest which translates in higher costs for everyone.

That is also incorrect!

People go to hospitals as they can not be refused to be seen. This is also the place that many illegals go.

 

[francoHFW]

Here you go, ASSHOLES LOL...

Obamacare Health Plans: Who Needs New Coverage | TIME.com
nation.time.com/.../the-bright-side-of-obamacares-broken-promise/*CachedOct 28, 2013 ... I was thrilled at the chance to finally see a doctor and get insurance. ..... In the
past, 60% of bankruptcies have been due to unpaid medical bills; of those 60%, 3
/4 had healthcare coverage of the very crappy kind lacking ...
Political Memes: Medical Bill Bankruptcies And Insurance Statistics
politicalmemes.blogspot.com/.../medical-bill-bankruptcies-and-insurance.html*CachedSep 29, 2013 ... 3/4 of those bankrupted had insurance when they got sick. ... 62% of all
bankruptcies in the U.S. are the result of medical bills. 3/4 of those ...

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, DUPES...

 

[francoHFW]

Obamacare Health Plans: Who Needs New Coverage | TIME.com

 

[francoHFW]

Just check all the dupes defending the stupidest. most ridiculously expensive health scam anywhere....totally misinformed by their heroes...

 

[francoHFW]

45 per cent of all bankruptcies are caused by junk policies, and they've never heard of them lol...

 

[Mac1958]

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Should be interesting to see how the apologists spin providers being buried in low-reimbursement Medicaid patients, providers not accepting some or all of the insurance and opening concierge practices, much longer waiting times, huge deductibles burying policy owners, hospitals opting out, billing software systems not ready and the lack of "young invincables" throwing the actuarial tables right off the rails.

It won't be fun, of course; but it will be interesting.

They'll blame the GOP and Romney and global warming and racism; they'll divert and deflect and deny. They'll change the subject to "we should have had single payer", anything to avoid addressing what we're trying to warn about right now, all very predictable stuff, now that we "know what's in it".

And I goddamn well bet you they know what's coming, too. They just won't take responsibility for it.

.

 

[Amelia]

Medical bankruptcies will continue.

One big difference is that some of the people they will occur to now are people who were responsible and made sure they had insurance and didn't commit to other spending until they took care of that. But now that Obama has substantially increased their premiums and deductibles all their discretionary income will be sucked up and some of the debts they committed to pre-ACA will be more than they can afford post-ACA.

 

[Amelia]

Of course, financially challenged people who didn't have insurance before will still have medical bankruptcies.

Deductibles which are half of their income? Yeah, that's not a nightmare waiting to happen.

 

[Kosh]

Here you go, ASSHOLES LOL...

Obamacare Health Plans: Who Needs New Coverage | TIME.com
nation.time.com/.../the-bright-side-of-obamacares-broken-promise/*CachedOct 28, 2013 ... I was thrilled at the chance to finally see a doctor and get insurance. ..... In the
past, 60% of bankruptcies have been due to unpaid medical bills; of those 60%, 3
/4 had healthcare coverage of the very crappy kind lacking ...
Political Memes: Medical Bill Bankruptcies And Insurance Statistics
politicalmemes.blogspot.com/.../medical-bill-bankruptcies-and-insurance.html*CachedSep 29, 2013 ... 3/4 of those bankrupted had insurance when they got sick. ... 62% of all
bankruptcies in the U.S. are the result of medical bills. 3/4 of those ...

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD, DUPES...

So you use a far left Obama hack site for your proof?

Might as well have posted something from MSNBC.

 

[Amelia]

The ACA leaves tens of millions uninsured -- and that estimate was prior to the nation becoming aware of the extent of cancellations and how much more policies would cost.

With all the cancellations, how long will it be before the number of insured people even breaks even?