Which 9-11 theory you believe?

[Mr.Fitnah]

Ok How about this one.
OK city was an inside job.
the 176 victims never died
The bodies came from prison labs doing DNA research to turn jews into monkeys as per the Quran.
The real OKC people were all govern folks , they planted bombs in the WTC.
then they were put on the hijacked planes to tie up the lose ends.

The passengers of the original flights (Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93), sent to a moon base run by crusader frank and art bell.
Where they are digging holes to bury tea party members .

So you are saying that this is the true theory

 

[Jeremy]

You forgot the fifth theory.
AIDS infested leprechauns suffering from Tourettes syndrome let loose in the buildings the night before to help with an out of control infestation of rabid spider monkeys.

I still prefer this theory...

 

[eots]

1. They backed me off the rig because Seven was in dead jeopardy, so they backed everybody off and moved us to the rear end of Vesey Street. We just stood there for a half hour, 40 minutes, because Seven was in imminent collapse and finally did come down. –Firefighter Thomas Smith
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110246.PDF

2. Chief Nigro directed me to continue monitoring conditions at the site. Specifically to monitor number 7 World Trade Center. We were very concerned with the collapse potential there, and to do whatever I could do to ensure site safety in that no additional people became injured. –FDNY Deputy Chief Harold Meyers http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110382.PDF

3. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex. –Chief Frank Fellini http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF

4. We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at the scene and thought that the building was too dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated number 7 World Trade Center. –Captain Anthony Varriale http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF

5. I remember him screaming about number 7, No. 7, that they wanted everybody away from 7 because 7 was definitely going to collapse, they don't know when, but it's definitely going to come down, just get the hell out of the way, everybody get away from it, make sure you're away from it, that's an order, you know, stuff like that. –Firefighter Edward Kennedy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110502.PDF

6. Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area --

Q. A collapse zone?

A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed. They shut down the power, and when it did collapse, the things that they were concerned with would have been [sic]. That's about it. –Chief Frank Cruthers
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110179.PDF

there is absolutely nothing of relevance here..it is people being told the building could collapse..thats it

 

[eots]

again, "no significant role" does not equal "no role"
you nitpick the report and try and make it say something it actually doesnt

and "would still have" doesnt say "did"

impact caused no damage to the spray-applied fire resistive material that was applied to the steel columns, girders, and beams except in the immediate vicinity of the severed columns. The debris impact damage did play a secondary role in the last stages of the collapse sequence, where the exterior façade buckled at the lower floors where the impact damage was located. A separate analysis showed that even without the structural damage due to debris impact, wtc 7 would have collapsed in fires similar to those that occurred on sept. 11, 2001. None of the large pieces of debris from wtc 2 (the south tower) hit wtc 7 because of the large distance between the two buildings.

questions and answers about the nist wtc 7 investigation


moron

17. The whole south side of seven world trade had been hit by the collapse of the second tower. – fire captain brenda berkman (susan hagen and mary carouba, women at ground zero, 2002, p. 21

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not according to nist and several other first responders

18. At that point, they said that seven world trade had no face and it was ready to collapse. – emt mercedes rivera: (susan hagen and mary carouba, women at ground zero, 2002, p. 29)

women at ground zero ?.. Again not according to many first responders and nist

19. You see the white smoke, you see the thing leaning like this? It's definitely going. There's no way to stop it. 'cause you have to go up in there to put it out, and it's already, the structural integrity is not there. –unidentified firefighter

what thing ?...leaning like what ??... Unidentified firefighter !!..lol


and wheres your fucking link ??

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why would eots care about a link? He won't read them anyway. Or if he does he ignores any information that doesn't fit his screwed up theories.

 

[eots]

Why would eots care about a link? He won't read them anyway. Or if he does he ignores any information that doesn't fit his screwed up theories.

fuck off loser..I will read them so I can note shit like.."woman near wtc." and "unidentified firefighter".you fucks dont want to post a link because the sites are crap ..most likely popular mechanics, furthermore usmb policy is to link to copyright materials shit for brains

 

[Jeremy]

 

[Fizz]

nist wrote the entire piece both question and answers dipshit

great. now we are getting somewhere. now learn the difference between a question and an answer and you will see that the NIST never says wtc7 was brought down by "fire alone"

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

 

[eots]

nist wrote the entire piece both question and answers dipshit

great. now we are getting somewhere. now learn the difference between a question and an answer and you will see that the NIST never says wtc7 was brought down by "fire alone"

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

if the only role falling debris played in the collapse of the tower is to ignite the fires then LOGICALLY any other source of ignition would create the same result as acknowledged by NIST..one could say lit matches and the issuing fires caused the collapse...not the "fire alone"...fire alone caused the collapse of wtc 7 according to NIST... structural damage played no role in the collapse other than as a source of ignition..those are the facts according to NIST no matter how you try to play with the words...BTW...when are you going to provide a link to your firefighter testimony ???

 

[Fizz]

nist wrote the entire piece both question and answers dipshit

great. now we are getting somewhere. now learn the difference between a question and an answer and you will see that the NIST never says wtc7 was brought down by "fire alone"

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

if the only role falling debris played in the collapse of the tower is to ignite the fires then LOGICALLY any other source of ignition would create the same result as acknowledged by NIST..one could say lit matches and the issuing fires caused the collapse...not the "fire alone"...fire alone caused the collapse of wtc 7 according to NIST... structural damage played no role in the collapse other than as a source of ignition..those are the facts according to NIST no matter how you try to play with the words...BTW...when are you going to provide a link to your firefighter testimony ???

once again....its a fucking moronic twoofer caught lying and trying to wiggle out of it. at no point does the NIST say "fires alone caused the collapse" as you claim. then you go on some rant about tower damage and igniting the fires.

it is irrelevant to your statement. you state the NIST said fires alone caused the collapse. they didnt. you lied. it cant get more simple than that.

 

[eots]

great. now we are getting somewhere. now learn the difference between a question and an answer and you will see that the NIST never says wtc7 was brought down by "fire alone"

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

if the only role falling debris played in the collapse of the tower is to ignite the fires then LOGICALLY any other source of ignition would create the same result as acknowledged by NIST..one could say lit matches and the issuing fires caused the collapse...not the "fire alone"...fire alone caused the collapse of wtc 7 according to NIST... structural damage played no role in the collapse other than as a source of ignition..those are the facts according to NIST no matter how you try to play with the words...BTW...when are you going to provide a link to your firefighter testimony ???

once again....its a fucking moronic twoofer caught lying and trying to wiggle out of it. at no point does the NIST say "fires alone caused the collapse" as you claim. then you go on some rant about tower damage and igniting the fires.

it is irrelevant to your statement. you state the NIST said fires alone caused the collapse. they didnt. you lied. it cant get more simple than that.

so what did NIST say then ?..did NIST say structural damage caused the collapse ?..no.. did nist say explosions caused the collapse ?..no did NIST say FIRE caused the collapse...yes...they used the phrase primarily due to fire because the falling debris ignited the fire but acknowledge that is the ONLY role damage played in the collapse..So answer one question fizzel what role did falling debris and damage play iin the collapse of wtc 7 and what role did fire play ??....or are you too dishonest to answer this question..and btw where is the link to your leaning tower story ?????....fucker

 

[eots]

Nist clearly states the discovered an extraordinary event a fire induced progressive collapse...not a collapse induced by structural damage and fire....So according to NIST
WHAT INDUCED THE COLLAPSE FIZZ ???

 

[Mortimer]

Im sure the islamists are responsible

 

[SFC Ollie]

Im sure the islamists are responsible

Are you certain? I thought so too, but this martian thing has some possibilities....

 

[eots]

Im sure the islamists are responsible

the issue of who is responsible and the failure of the NIST report are separate issues

 

[eots]

Im sure the islamists are responsible

Are you certain? I thought so too, but this martian thing has some possibilities....

Ollie please explain your understanding of the nist final report wtc 7

 

[JiggsCasey]

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

Are you ever able to debate without going into a tarrets-laiden, hyperactive meltdown? Take your meds, and try to stop being a perpetual dick on an issue that obviously puts you on noticeable tilt.

I find you coincitards spend inordinate amounts of energy countering goofy "Loose Change" controlled demolition nonsense. Great. All you've proven is you've managed to conflate MIHOP with LIHOP. .... Yet when presented with hard, court-admissible LIHOP evidence, you stare distantly, blinking in silence, before evading the challenge. That's because you have no answer for it.

You rest entirely on "yeah but" speculation. You assert this bogus assumption that federal officials have this "sense of patriotism" and would never keep it secret. Yet you can never, NEVER counter the fact that precedent has been set (Tonkin, Manhattan Project, Northwoods, Roldos, Torrijos) for keeping secrets for decades. It is undeniable (with any semblance of a straight face) that diabolical technocrats will attempt untold evil in order to dupe Americans into accepting some nefarious geopolitical goal.

So cut the crap. We're all painfully aware that the fake cowboy Bush Administration is/was your favorite administration of all-time. But you can never convincingly tell the other two-thirds of us that justice was served in the "investigation" into the greatest crime in U.S. history. Because it wasn't. Period.

It never followed the money trail, it never admitted FBI suppression of existing surveillance, it never demanded accountability for the fact that over a dozen foreign intelligence services warned the Bush Administration that an attack using hijacked airlines was imminent. And worst of all, it put a Bush WH, Iraq occupation policy writer in charge of steering the entire 9/11 Commission, ignoring subpoena power and firing commissioners who demanded real answers.

Your heroes were, at best, grossly negligent, and at worst, complicit in the attacks. You can not deny that the results worked out just perfect for their PRINTED goals written in their PNAC document and "The Grand Chessboard," a book written in the 90s by a man they all admired who served on the Tri-lateral Commission.

 

[eots]

Well there is really no question that I know more about the official explanation of the collapse than all the debunkers put together,however they are getting schooled ..it would seem that there understanding of the wtc collapses wasarrived at mainly from the popular mechanics novel debunking 9/11 myths..which was published before the final NIST reports and contains an abundance of disinformation NIST was forced to abandon to create a virtual collapse scenario that would appear anywhere near similar to the actual event
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyZJl9YleY]YouTube - WTC 7 NIST Model vs. Reality[/ame]

 

[eots]

twoofers are truly fucking morons.

Are you ever able to debate without going into a tarrets-laiden, hyperactive meltdown? Take your meds, and try to stop being a perpetual dick on an issue that obviously puts you on noticeable tilt.

I find you coincitards spend inordinate amounts of energy countering goofy "Loose Change" controlled demolition nonsense. Great. All you've proven is you've managed to conflate MIHOP with LIHOP. .... Yet when presented with hard, court-admissible LIHOP evidence, you stare distantly, blinking in silence, before evading the challenge. That's because you have no answer for it.

You rest entirely on "yeah but" speculation. You assert this bogus assumption that federal officials have this "sense of patriotism" and would never keep it secret. Yet you can never, NEVER counter the fact that precedent has been set (Tonkin, Manhattan Project, Northwoods, Roldos, Torrijos) for keeping secrets for decades. It is undeniable (with any semblance of a straight face) that diabolical technocrats will attempt untold evil in order to dupe Americans into accepting some nefarious geopolitical goal.

So cut the crap. We're all painfully aware that the fake cowboy Bush Administration is/was your favorite administration of all-time. But you can never convincingly tell the other two-thirds of us that justice was served in the "investigation" into the greatest crime in U.S. history. Because it wasn't. Period.

It never followed the money trail, it never admitted FBI suppression of existing surveillance, it never demanded accountability for the fact that over a dozen foreign intelligence services warned the Bush Administration that an attack using hijacked airlines was imminent. And worst of all, it put a Bush WH, Iraq occupation policy writer in charge of steering the entire 9/11 Commission, ignoring subpoena power and firing commissioners who demanded real answers.

Your heroes were, at best, grossly negligent, and at worst, complicit in the attacks. You can not deny that the results worked out just perfect for their PRINTED goals written in their PNAC document and "The Grand Chessboard," a book written in the 90s by a man they all admired who served on the Tri-lateral Commission.

you should take a look at this site ,if you have not yet I am sure you would find it interesting

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[Citizen Pat]

The Port Authority has a duty to turn over their approved stamped and archived original plans to a federal Grand Jury.

WTC 1 and 2 controlled demolition caused the greatest loss of life from a single criminal act. If these buildings were built as the military was doing with missile silos at the same time, then they were built to come down without dropping on six acres of other buildings. That would be an important fact to follow.