Which single issue hands the midterms to the GOP?

[Vrenn]

Nixon was always a paranoid person, Vrenn! I think you can trace the reasons he would authorize the "Plumbers" to break into Democratic headquarters back to what the Kennedy's did to him in the 1960 election.

I don't have the faintest idea who or what you're talking about when you say Nixon had things on other politicians that had them scared to death of him. Would you care to give an example of what you're talking about?

Once again, Nixon didn't get forced into resigning over capping prices. That's absurd. He got forced out because of Watergate. He got forced out because he tried to use the power of the Presidency to silence his enemies. Not because he USED the power of the Presidency successfully but simply because he TRIED to use the IRS and the FBI to go after those who were attacking him!
It's rather ironic because "Tricky Dick" has the reputation for being dirty because of what he TRIED to do and failed at...while Barack Obama's reputation has emerged unscathed even though he DID use the IRS and the FBI against his political opponents!

Nixon was that, yes but he was the best president since Eisenhower and beyond. I remember those days. Nixon tried to do things for the nation, not himself. And he didn't have to resign. They had enough to impeach him but not enough support in the senate to convict. And the only thing they had on him was lying to a grand jury over the tapes. Sorry toi break it to you but if you compare Nixon with the Presidents past Carter, they all look like evil lynch pins.

 

[Vrenn]

Yep. But Socialism by itself has always been a failure.

And so has Capitalism. Both, sooner or later turns into either one hell of a revolution or they end up turning to a dictatorship. The biggest mistake is to mistake dictatorships with Socialism.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And so has Capitalism. Both, sooner or later turns into either one hell of a revolution or they end up turning to a dictatorship. The biggest mistake is to mistake dictatorships with Socialism.

Biggest mistake is to treat everyone equally, you only alienate the high performers. Imagine if I told one of my kids. If you do the dishes, you get $20. Then I tell her, well you only get $10, your sister gets $10 too even though she didn''t do anything as its only fair.....pretty sure the next time she won't do the dishes or renegotiate the terms....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And so has Capitalism. Both, sooner or later turns into either one hell of a revolution or they end up turning to a dictatorship. The biggest mistake is to mistake dictatorships with Socialism.

Our country has done well under capitalism the last couple hundred years. The only threat of socialism comes from the left who are anti-capitalists.

 

[Vrenn]

Biggest mistake is to treat everyone equally, you only alienate the high performers. Imagine if I told one of my kids. If you do the dishes, you get $20. Then I tell her, well you only get $10, your sister gets $10 too even though she didn''t do anything as its only fair.....pretty sure the next time she won't do the dishes or renegotiate the terms....

Sounds like you are hinting at the "Socialism Bad" routine where those on some for of welfare are just lazy and want free things when that's not the case. MOST people on some form of welfare have a job and many have more than one job. MOST states have put a limit on pure welfare recipients. Minnisota started that decades ago and it works and many have adopted those policies. But what we haven't done is to openly discuss what puts these workers in this situation. And it's not education or the lack thereof or their social standing. Now, I put it to you, what are these problems that directly lead to excessive welfare?

 

[JoeB131]

Once again, Nixon didn't get forced into resigning over capping prices. That's absurd. He got forced out because of Watergate. He got forced out because he tried to use the power of the Presidency to silence his enemies. Not because he USED the power of the Presidency successfully but simply because he TRIED to use the IRS and the FBI to go after those who were attacking him!
It's rather ironic because "Tricky Dick" has the reputation for being dirty because of what he TRIED to do and failed at...while Barack Obama's reputation has emerged unscathed even though he DID use the IRS and the FBI against his political opponents!

Except Obama did nothing of the sort. He used the IRS to clamp down on people who were abusing the tax code to hide political donations. Then he wussed out and backed off, which he never should have done.

Now, here was the major difference between Watergate and Obama's Russia investigation. Obama used legal means to open files on Trump supporters like Flynn. Some of them were actually guilty. Nixon suspected that the DNC had links to Cuba or the North Vietnamese (they didn't), but instead of legally getting warrants, he just straight up spied on them and ordered an illegal break in.

You bought a house in a neighborhood you didn't know anything about? Well aren't you the smart guy, Joey!

Actually, it was a very smart move, rent revenues paid half my mortgage and I sold the building for twice what I paid for it.

I actually did kind of know what kind of dump Cicero was when I moved in (This is when I was still active duty military and lived in off-base housing). But it didn't mean I was going to put up with this nonsense as a citizen. So when that mayor ran on cleaning up the bars, she had my support.

 

[JoeB131]

Our country has done well under capitalism the last couple hundred years. The only threat of socialism comes from the left who are anti-capitalists.

Um, no, Welfare Ray. Most people didn't do "well". For most of our history, people lived pretty miserably up until the 1950's or so, and that was only because Democrats established Middle Class Entitlements and Union wage scales to create a middle class.

In the 1920's, 60% of the population lived below the poverty line (as opposed to today, where is at 17%, which is STILL TOO HIGH)

 

[JoeB131]

Biggest mistake is to treat everyone equally, you only alienate the high performers. Imagine if I told one of my kids. If you do the dishes, you get $20. Then I tell her, well you only get $10, your sister gets $10 too even though she didn''t do anything as its only fair.....pretty sure the next time she won't do the dishes or renegotiate the terms....

If you want to use that analogy, American Capitalism is promising $20, only delivering 5 and then expecting the (hypothetical) kids to take out the trash and paint the house as well.

 

[22lcidw]

Um, no, Welfare Ray. Most people didn't do "well". For most of our history, people lived pretty miserably up until the 1950's or so, and that was only because Democrats established Middle Class Entitlements and Union wage scales to create a middle class.

In the 1920's, 60% of the population lived below the poverty line (as opposed to today, where is at 17%, which is STILL TOO HIGH)

The world is about people not living well. That does not mean they are or were not happy and it means they may not be happy. So we instituted socialist policies. Why do people abuse programs designed for them to improve themselves? Why do people become corrupted by the same? Why does the price of things increase dramatically from it? I know we can question medical for us all. At one time people went to clinics with affordability issues. And insurance companies with government gave better coverages. But the costs rose with many middlemen benefiting and Hospitals building Billing Wings to their burgeoning self contained mini kingdoms. In the 1920's, we were a rising nation. With very little social programs. Today we are a declining one. A creditor nation back than that is now a debtor one today. These are facts. By your words we will get poverty to zero percent. We are taxed easily at over 50% for us all and it is higher in real terms as compared to something much lower back then.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Biggest mistake is to treat everyone equally, you only alienate the high performers. Imagine if I told one of my kids. If you do the dishes, you get $20. Then I tell her, well you only get $10, your sister gets $10 too even though she didn''t do anything as its only fair.....pretty sure the next time she won't do the dishes or renegotiate the terms....

That's always a tough one in my family, because if I offer to give one of my boys something in exchange for doing something for me, they ALWAYS negotiate for something for the brother as well. For example, if I tell Nick that I'll take him out to eat afterwards if he helps me with my deliveries, he will inevitably respond with something like, "Can we get pizza so we can take it home and share with Quinn?" If I tell Quinn, "You empty the kitty pan in my bathroom, and I'll give you some money to go get a soda", his answer is going to be, "Can I get one for Nick, too?" And if my answer is, "Well, if he wanted it, he should have helped", they're both going to say something to the effect of, "I don't want it then, because I'd feel bad if I had it and he didn't."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Um, no, Welfare Ray. Most people didn't do "well". For most of our history, people lived pretty miserably up until the 1950's or so, and that was only because Democrats established Middle Class Entitlements and Union wage scales to create a middle class.

In the 1920's, 60% of the population lived below the poverty line (as opposed to today, where is at 17%, which is STILL TOO HIGH)

That's all part of building a nation. Look at us today. You have serious mental issues but we allow you to be out in the public. In the 60's and 70's you would have been committed. So some things were better for society before.

What the Democrats established was a bubble, and all bubbles burst. They chased jobs out of the country by the millions until we got smart enough to get rid of the unions so that our people could afford to buy the products we made. Instead of some entity forcing industry to overpay workers, now you have to make yourself worth more money. The days of making 40K a year to turn nuts onto bolts are long gone and never coming back regardless what goes on in that mental midget fantasy world of yours.

Sounds good, right? Well it is until you factor in all the welfare programs THE DEMOCRATS CREATED that dis-incentivises people to better themselves. They have a HUD house in the suburbs, more food than they could possibly eat, and in fact with other collectors, end up living on one SNAP's card and selling the others. Free primary education. Their medical needs are taken care of, and they get money from the government based on how many children they could have that they can't and never will be able to afford. The US Census found that our so-called poor live with more amenities than the working in other countries. So why work in the first place?

But for those that exercised capitalism, many did very well. They gained great wealth, created jobs for people that didn't want to take any risks, support our various governments with all the taxation they create. For those not wealthy, they have small investments such as IRA"s and personal investments in the market. Perhaps have a part time business on the side. My nephew followed sports all his life. He was fascinated by sports cards. Today he makes about 35K a year toying around with that. He does it for enjoyment. He has a good paying full-time job because he borrowed money, took the time to get an advanced education and start a career.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sounds like you are hinting at the "Socialism Bad" routine where those on some for of welfare are just lazy and want free things when that's not the case. MOST people on some form of welfare have a job and many have more than one job. MOST states have put a limit on pure welfare recipients. Minnisota started that decades ago and it works and many have adopted those policies. But what we haven't done is to openly discuss what puts these workers in this situation. And it's not education or the lack thereof or their social standing. Now, I put it to you, what are these problems that directly lead to excessive welfare?

When I was working I used to deliver to customers that used temporary services only for labor. If a temp worker does well for several months and the company was ready to hire another worker, they offered the temp worker the job.

The problem was finding temp workers that good. Many of them were offered overtime and they refused. Why? Because making more money would be deducted from their government stipends. In fact in states that raised minimum wage, workers worked less hours to stay on these programs.

So you are correct, many who collect do work, but the incentive was taken away for them to better themselves. Back in my days, yes, they had welfare programs too, but they didn't pay shit. You couldn't get behind the computer to apply for them. You had to go downtown, stand in line for hours, fill out an application in front of the social worker and get a personal interview. It wasn't worth it. So people tried harder to increase their income and better themselves.

Drug tests are another one. Better paying jobs require drug screening, so people opt for lower paying jobs where they can stay doped up and still work. The problem is then they cry about not being able to make enough money.

 

[Oldestyle]

Nixon was that, yes but he was the best president since Eisenhower and beyond. I remember those days. Nixon tried to do things for the nation, not himself. And he didn't have to resign. They had enough to impeach him but not enough support in the senate to convict. And the only thing they had on him was lying to a grand jury over the tapes. Sorry toi break it to you but if you compare Nixon with the Presidents past Carter, they all look like evil lynch pins.

With all due respect, Vrenn...your memory is flawed. They had Nixon dead to rights on Obstruction of Justice charges once the White House tapes were released. The Republican leaders of the House and the Senate along with Barry Goldwater visited Nixon at the White House on August 7th to inform him that there were enough votes against him in both the House and the Senate to convict him for that. Nixon resigned the next day.

I'm actually a History major who remembers the details of that time quite well.

 

[Oldestyle]

Except Obama did nothing of the sort. He used the IRS to clamp down on people who were abusing the tax code to hide political donations. Then he wussed out and backed off, which he never should have done.

Now, here was the major difference between Watergate and Obama's Russia investigation. Obama used legal means to open files on Trump supporters like Flynn. Some of them were actually guilty. Nixon suspected that the DNC had links to Cuba or the North Vietnamese (they didn't), but instead of legally getting warrants, he just straight up spied on them and ordered an illegal break in.




Actually, it was a very smart move, rent revenues paid half my mortgage and I sold the building for twice what I paid for it.

I actually did kind of know what kind of dump Cicero was when I moved in (This is when I was still active duty military and lived in off-base housing). But it didn't mean I was going to put up with this nonsense as a citizen. So when that mayor ran on cleaning up the bars, she had my support.

Obama used the IRS to clamp down on CONSERVATIVE groups, Joey! It's the reason why Lois Lerner took the 5th and refused to answer questions about what took place. He's actually far dirtier than Nixon ever was.

 

[JoeB131]

That's all part of building a nation. Look at us today. You have serious mental issues but we allow you to be out in the public. In the 60's and 70's you would have been committed. So some things were better for society before.

You want to compare your accomplishments to mine? I have a college degree and I'm a decorated veteran. I win.
Want to compare houses? you live in a slum and I live in a nice neighborhood.
Want to compare salaries? I promise you don't make as much as I do.

What the Democrats established was a bubble, and all bubbles burst. They chased jobs out of the country by the millions until we got smart enough to get rid of the unions so that our people could afford to buy the products we made. Instead of some entity forcing industry to overpay workers, now you have to make yourself worth more money. The days of making 40K a year to turn nuts onto bolts are long gone and never coming back regardless what goes on in that mental midget fantasy world of yours.

Uh, guy, jobs went out if they were union or not. Factory I worked in didn't hire white union guys. The employees were almost all Hispanic or Indian, and most of them were female. They still moved most of the jobs to Mexico and Malaysia. The idea that the One Percent is going to be less greedy because we give up our rights is kind of silly.

Sounds good, right? Well it is until you factor in all the welfare programs THE DEMOCRATS CREATED that dis-incentivises people to better themselves. They have a HUD house in the suburbs, more food than they could possibly eat, and in fact with other collectors, end up living on one SNAP's card and selling the others. Free primary education. Their medical needs are taken care of, and they get money from the government based on how many children they could have that they can't and never will be able to afford. The US Census found that our so-called poor live with more amenities than the working in other countries. So why work in the first place?

I think you are a bit delusional. Benefits for a SNAP card are $250 a month for a single person or 835 for a family of four. I don't know anyone who could feed a family of four on $835 a month, much less sell it off.

I mean, I know you are jealous because you think they are getting more welfare than you are getting, Welfare Ray.

But for those that exercised capitalism, many did very well. They gained great wealth, created jobs for people that didn't want to take any risks, support our various governments with all the taxation they create. For those not wealthy, they have small investments such as IRA"s and personal investments in the market. Perhaps have a part time business on the side. My nephew followed sports all his life. He was fascinated by sports cards. Today he makes about 35K a year toying around with that. He does it for enjoyment. He has a good paying full-time job because he borrowed money, took the time to get an advanced education and start a career.

Gee, sounds great. So why are you living in a slum on disability again? Refresh my memory.>>>Oh, that's right, it's all Obama's fault.

 

[Oldestyle]

You want to compare your accomplishments to mine? I have a college degree and I'm a decorated veteran. I win.
Want to compare houses? you live in a slum and I live in a nice neighborhood.
Want to compare salaries? I promise you don't make as much as I do.



Uh, guy, jobs went out if they were union or not. Factory I worked in didn't hire white union guys. The employees were almost all Hispanic or Indian, and most of them were female. They still moved most of the jobs to Mexico and Malaysia. The idea that the One Percent is going to be less greedy because we give up our rights is kind of silly.


I think you are a bit delusional. Benefits for a SNAP card are $250 a month for a single person or 835 for a family of four. I don't know anyone who could feed a family of four on $835 a month, much less sell it off.

I mean, I know you are jealous because you think they are getting more welfare than you are getting, Welfare Ray.




Gee, sounds great. So why are you living in a slum on disability again? Refresh my memory.>>>Oh, that's right, it's all Obama's fault.

Hmmmm...was it possible to feed a family of 4 on $835 a month BEFORE Joe Biden gave us rampant inflation, Joey? Since that clown has been in office it's the poor that have really been taking a beating. How about we put someone in office that gets people OFF of foodstamps instead of someone like Barry who put record numbers of people ON them?

 

[Oldestyle]

Oh, and Joey? It's always been my experience that most people who brag about how wealthy and successful they are on the internet are neither! Just saying...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You want to compare your accomplishments to mine? I have a college degree and I'm a decorated veteran. I win.
Want to compare houses? you live in a slum and I live in a nice neighborhood.
Want to compare salaries? I promise you don't make as much as I do.



Uh, guy, jobs went out if they were union or not. Factory I worked in didn't hire white union guys. The employees were almost all Hispanic or Indian, and most of them were female. They still moved most of the jobs to Mexico and Malaysia. The idea that the One Percent is going to be less greedy because we give up our rights is kind of silly.


I think you are a bit delusional. Benefits for a SNAP card are $250 a month for a single person or 835 for a family of four. I don't know anyone who could feed a family of four on $835 a month, much less sell it off.

I mean, I know you are jealous because you think they are getting more welfare than you are getting, Welfare Ray.




Gee, sounds great. So why are you living in a slum on disability again? Refresh my memory.>>>Oh, that's right, it's all Obama's fault.

My New Years resolution is to quit replying to your posts unless you gain the education and talent to answer it in one piece. Just about everybody else can do it except you. Too time consuming.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Sounds like you are hinting at the "Socialism Bad" routine where those on some for of welfare are just lazy and want free things when that's not the case. MOST people on some form of welfare have a job and many have more than one job. MOST states have put a limit on pure welfare recipients. Minnisota started that decades ago and it works and many have adopted those policies. But what we haven't done is to openly discuss what puts these workers in this situation. And it's not education or the lack thereof or their social standing. Now, I put it to you, what are these problems that directly lead to excessive welfare?

IMO its single parent households and the Democratic Party secretly wants that as it garners them votes. I am Not pushing hard for anything.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If you want to use that analogy, American Capitalism is promising $20, only delivering 5 and then expecting the (hypothetical) kids to take out the trash and paint the house as well.

How so? Not true at all.