Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

Right of Return Conference Day 1: Salman Abu Sitta Keynote

And still, amazingly, no Arab living outside of Israel proper EVER claimed a RIGHT OF RETURN , or a Palestinian identity or Nationality, before 1964 when Arafat and the KGB created that nationality in order to have one more thing to try to destroy sovereign Israel with, just as the Arabs had tried to do after 1948 when they expelled nearly One Million Jews from Arab CONQUERED lands.

Israeli bullshit, of course. Please explain the 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence.

It was a client state of Egypt, governed by 12 ministers of different Arab countries, including former Ottoman officer, a Lebanese minister and much of the al-Hussaini clan. This puppet govt, although had only limited effective jurisdiction only in Gaza (using the Mandate laws), proclaimed independence over all of Palestine, months after the Israeli proclamation.
Its' armed force was called The Holy War Army.

It was dismantled by Egypt, in favor of Nasser's imperialist ambitions to unite Syria and Egypt, however from its' inception it was a tool in the hands of the Arab League.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers. Israel is a foreign government in Palestine.

So, do you have a point?

Didn't the Jews and Arabs become officially Palestinians in 1924?
And anyway Israel is the govt of all Israelis and had an effective control, the Palestinian protectorate had only a symbolic meaning and jurisdiction.

Remind You Jews were a minority, but were effective, the Arabs were a majority and were still short of forming any effective government of their own. All their political moves were based on denial of others, they were NOT interested in self rule, as much as to go back into a big Arab colony, because the actually never governed themselves on that land. They were yarning to remain Syrians.

Is deflection all you have?

 

[rylah]

And still, amazingly, no Arab living outside of Israel proper EVER claimed a RIGHT OF RETURN , or a Palestinian identity or Nationality, before 1964 when Arafat and the KGB created that nationality in order to have one more thing to try to destroy sovereign Israel with, just as the Arabs had tried to do after 1948 when they expelled nearly One Million Jews from Arab CONQUERED lands.

Israeli bullshit, of course. Please explain the 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence.

It was a client state of Egypt, governed by 12 ministers of different Arab countries, including former Ottoman officer, a Lebanese minister and much of the al-Hussaini clan. This puppet govt, although had only limited effective jurisdiction only in Gaza (using the Mandate laws), proclaimed independence over all of Palestine, months after the Israeli proclamation.
Its' armed force was called The Holy War Army.

It was dismantled by Egypt, in favor of Nasser's imperialist ambitions to unite Syria and Egypt, however from its' inception it was a tool in the hands of the Arab League.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers. Israel is a foreign government in Palestine.

So, do you have a point?

Didn't the Jews and Arabs become officially Palestinians in 1924?
And anyway Israel is the govt of all Israelis and had an effective control, the Palestinian protectorate had only a symbolic meaning and jurisdiction.

Remind You Jews were a minority, but were effective, the Arabs were a majority and were still short of forming any effective government of their own. All their political moves were based on denial of others, they were NOT interested in self rule, as much as to go back into a big Arab colony, because the actually never governed themselves on that land. They were yarning to remain Syrians.

Is deflection all you have?

You wanted to play the game of 'find the Palestinian'.

I gave You an explanation of that declaration, and its' implications on the definition of 'Palestinian', from the minister of that govt.

You can sell the Egyptian client state as the origin of Palestinian nationalism, but no matter what cover they used it was all Pan-Arabism, and an independent Palestine isn't a part of it:

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli bullshit, of course. Please explain the 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence.

It was a client state of Egypt, governed by 12 ministers of different Arab countries, including former Ottoman officer, a Lebanese minister and much of the al-Hussaini clan. This puppet govt, although had only limited effective jurisdiction only in Gaza (using the Mandate laws), proclaimed independence over all of Palestine, months after the Israeli proclamation.
Its' armed force was called The Holy War Army.

It was dismantled by Egypt, in favor of Nasser's imperialist ambitions to unite Syria and Egypt, however from its' inception it was a tool in the hands of the Arab League.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers. Israel is a foreign government in Palestine.

So, do you have a point?

Didn't the Jews and Arabs become officially Palestinians in 1924?
And anyway Israel is the govt of all Israelis and had an effective control, the Palestinian protectorate had only a symbolic meaning and jurisdiction.

Remind You Jews were a minority, but were effective, the Arabs were a majority and were still short of forming any effective government of their own. All their political moves were based on denial of others, they were NOT interested in self rule, as much as to go back into a big Arab colony, because the actually never governed themselves on that land. They were yarning to remain Syrians.

Is deflection all you have?

You wanted to play the game of 'find the Palestinian'.

I gave You an explanation of that declaration, and its' implications on the definition of 'Palestinian', from the minister of that govt.

You can sell the Egyptian client state as the origin of Palestinian nationalism, but no matter what cover they used it was all Pan-Arabism, and an independent Palestine isn't a part of it:

I don't think they ever withdrew their declaration of independence.

 

[Shusha]

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers.

So, when discussing the right of return for the Arabs, we get to call them "foreign settlers", right? Because they weren't born in Israel, right? Just foreign settlers.

 

[rylah]

It was a client state of Egypt, governed by 12 ministers of different Arab countries, including former Ottoman officer, a Lebanese minister and much of the al-Hussaini clan. This puppet govt, although had only limited effective jurisdiction only in Gaza (using the Mandate laws), proclaimed independence over all of Palestine, months after the Israeli proclamation.
Its' armed force was called The Holy War Army.

It was dismantled by Egypt, in favor of Nasser's imperialist ambitions to unite Syria and Egypt, however from its' inception it was a tool in the hands of the Arab League.

Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization. Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers. Israel is a foreign government in Palestine.

So, do you have a point?

Didn't the Jews and Arabs become officially Palestinians in 1924?
And anyway Israel is the govt of all Israelis and had an effective control, the Palestinian protectorate had only a symbolic meaning and jurisdiction.

Remind You Jews were a minority, but were effective, the Arabs were a majority and were still short of forming any effective government of their own. All their political moves were based on denial of others, they were NOT interested in self rule, as much as to go back into a big Arab colony, because the actually never governed themselves on that land. They were yarning to remain Syrians.

Is deflection all you have?

You wanted to play the game of 'find the Palestinian'.

I gave You an explanation of that declaration, and its' implications on the definition of 'Palestinian', from the minister of that govt.

You can sell the Egyptian client state as the origin of Palestinian nationalism, but no matter what cover they used it was all Pan-Arabism, and an independent Palestine isn't a part of it:

I don't think they ever withdrew their declaration of independence.

We are actually talking about a body that had no effective control of any significance, neither self-rule. They could be equally successful or correct in declaring independence over the whole of Europe.

 

[rylah]

In other words, if the people in who's name You declare independence still identify as Syrians on a national level, there's not much sense in declaring them as 'independent Palestinians', it's just dissonance...and badly used paper.

 

[montelatici]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."

 

[rylah]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

 

[montelatici]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

The Third Palestine Congress called for Palestine to be part of the independent Arab state promised in the McMahon - Hussein agreement.

The map shows that Palestine was in the area promised to Hussein by McMahon. Only Lebanon and part of current Syria to the North were excluded.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of foreign settlers.

So, when discussing the right of return for the Arabs, we get to call them "foreign settlers", right? Because they weren't born in Israel, right? Just foreign settlers.

Could you translate that post to English please?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

 

[Hollie]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

The Third Palestine Congress called for Palestine to be part of the independent Arab state promised in the McMahon - Hussein agreement.

View attachment 136217

The map shows that Palestine was in the area promised to Hussein by McMahon. Only Lebanon and part of current Syria to the North were excluded.

Oh, my. Someone broke a promise.

 

[Hollie]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

You need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.
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The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

 

[Shusha]

But that did not create a sovereign nation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But that did not create a sovereign nation.

It doesn't have to. The people are the sovereigns.

 

[Hollie]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

You need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Yes, yes. That is same sentence you cut and paste in the hope to represent that your invented "country of Pally'land" was something more than it was.

You are a hoot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Third Palestinian Congress, 1920. It says Palestinian, not Syrian.
Arabic reads: "Palestine is the cradle of Jesus"; "Preserve al-Aqsa Mosque"; "Palestine is Arab."
View attachment 136214

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

You need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Yes, yes. That is same sentence you cut and paste in the hope to represent that your invented "country of Pally'land" was something more than it was.

You are a hoot.

You really need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237​

Notice that it says Palestinian people in Palestine, not government or state.

 

[Hollie]

So the declaration by the same congress, just a year prior to that was nonexistent?
They clearly said it then in 1919, in the 1st congress and the people they represent today still identify with that.

You should read carefully what they declared in the 3rd congress, it wasn't an independent Palestine, but a fusion of the area into a bigger Arab colony.

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

You need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Yes, yes. That is same sentence you cut and paste in the hope to represent that your invented "country of Pally'land" was something more than it was.

You are a hoot.

You really need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237​

Notice that it says Palestinian people in Palestine, not government or state.

Your usual tactic of spamming threads with cutting and pasting to promote your invented "country of Pally'land" are best dumped here:

The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, but Palestine's international borders were not set until 1924.

OK, that must be your invented "country of Pally'land". The country that exists only in your imagination.

How interesting. Yassir Arafat invented the "Pal'istanians" in the late 1960's.

You need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.
--------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Yes, yes. That is same sentence you cut and paste in the hope to represent that your invented "country of Pally'land" was something more than it was.

You are a hoot.

You really need to get off of that Israeli bullshit.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237​

Notice that it says Palestinian people in Palestine, not government or state.

Your usual tactic of spamming threads with cutting and pasting to promote your invented "country of Pally'land" are best dumped here:

The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

It seems that it went over your head before.

I post actual documents and you keep coming back with the same old Israeli bullshit. Why do you always do that?