Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the feared British Colonialism vicariously through the Jewish National Home.

In July 1947, the Mandate Authority asked the United Nations to consider the report on the irreconcilable differences, and to recommend a settlement of the problem.

Between a colonial project and the Palestinians.

They had two reports. One would have lead to peace and one that lead to war.

They chose war.

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The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project." That is just a Palestinian Dogma to incite violence. Even the 24 Committee knows better.

Yes, the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) submitted two recommendations for consideration. The UN selected what became known as A/RES/181(II) (AKA: The Partition Plan)...

Remember, the original intent → by the Allied Powers → who had the authority to make the determination on the "Future of Palestine" → called for the establishment of a Jewish National Home; and Jordan, East of the Jordan River. The recommendation selected setup the framework for an Arab State, a Jewish State, and Jerusalem separate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

• Palestine Liberation Organization (Founded 1964) •

Until 1993, the only promoted option was armed struggle. From the signing of the Oslo Accords, negotiation and diplomacy became the only official policy. I​

From that point, until the Oslo Accords, the Arab Palestinians rejected any peace agreements.

The PLO offered a peace agreement in the early 70s where there would be one secular state with equal rights for all people including the Jews.

Israel rejected the offer because they wanted to pig the place for themselves.

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A lot of people say that, but the Arab Palestinians (the PLO Specifically) did not offer forth a peace acceeptance, treaty or agreement between 1964 and the Oslo Accords (1993).

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1969, for example, the PLO proposed the establishment of a binational state over the whole of the former British Mandate territory.

The fifth national council of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in February 1969 passed a resolution confirming that the PLO's objective was "to establish a free and democratic society in Palestine for all Palestinians whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews".

History of the State of Palestine - Wikipedia

 

[JoelT1]

Keep Jerusalem.
Keep settlements.
Keep the Jordan Valley.
Keep everything it has stolen.
Refugees are off the table.
Water is off the table.

*Did Arabs ever had a capital in Jerusalem? I think they built Ramallah 30km away specifically for that.
* We let the Arabs keep their settlement.
*Jordan was given wholly to Arabs, how much is Jordan bigger than Israel?
* Nothing was stolen. War is war, especially sectarian - Palestinian Arabs initiated it.
* Refugees were not off the table - Hamas/PLO version of flooding Israel with millions of Arabs, while at the same time cleansing Palestine of Jews is an illusion You will never be able to sell or realize.
* Water is not off the table. What Palestinians need is reconstruction of infrastructure instead of building tunnels for smuggling weapons and using pipes for rockets. Simple math.

Are slogans Your only solution?

Jerusalem has never been an Arab or Muslim Capital. Not even an administrive center. Jerusalem doesn’t appear in the Koran

 

[JoelT1]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

• Palestine Liberation Organization (Founded 1964) •

Until 1993, the only promoted option was armed struggle. From the signing of the Oslo Accords, negotiation and diplomacy became the only official policy. I​

From that point, until the Oslo Accords, the Arab Palestinians rejected any peace agreements.

The PLO offered a peace agreement in the early 70s where there would be one secular state with equal rights for all people including the Jews.

Israel rejected the offer because they wanted to pig the place for themselves.

(COMMENT)

A lot of people say that, but the Arab Palestinians (the PLO Specifically) did not offer forth a peace acceeptance, treaty or agreement between 1964 and the Oslo Accords (1993).

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1969, for example, the PLO proposed the establishment of a binational state over the whole of the former British Mandate territory.

The fifth national council of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in February 1969 passed a resolution confirming that the PLO's objective was "to establish a free and democratic society in Palestine for all Palestinians whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews".

History of the State of Palestine - Wikipedia

Palestine liberation Funny! Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel LOL

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, generally speaking, the meaning of "Palestine" does present Problems.

• For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.

I think there is a hint there.

(COMMENT)

Both the PLO (by the Palestine National Charter) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) (by the Covenant) consider the entire landscape, formerly the territory subject to the Mandate of Palestine, is exclusively Arab.

• Article 2, Palestine National Charter:
Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, there is that pesky right to territorial integrity thing.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the "Colonial Project" whining.

Where is it that the Palestinians were faced with a colonial project.

What are the legalities of that?

(COMMENT)

That is simply an illusion by the illiterate. The is nothing in the Middle East that is currently listed as a
Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT); subject to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) --- General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project."

Do you have any proof for your assertion?

 

[JoelT1]

History Lesson: Palestine, Roman name imposed on Jews’ land

 

[JoelT1]

The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project."

Do you have any proof for your assertion?

Britain named the British Mandate “palestine”

 

[P F Tinmore]

The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project."

Do you have any proof for your assertion?

Britain named the British Mandate “palestine”

Britain called it Palestine because that was what it was.

 

[JoelT1]

The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project."

Do you have any proof for your assertion?

Britain named the British Mandate “palestine”

Britain called it Palestine because that was what it was.

Palestine originated as a Roman name imposed on Jews’ land. Britain called the British Mandate “palestine”

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another one of those nebulous claims.

The Arab Palestinian decided it was in their best interest to choose conflict

It was the Palestinians who were attacked.

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What (presumably Jewish) military force attacked what Palestinian Government? When was this alleged attack?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This was actually a One-State Solution, with the Arab Majority in power.

This proposal was rejected by Israel, as it would have amounted to the disbanding of the state of Israel.

(COMMENT)

This was an ffer to dismantle the Jewish State. It was not a Peace Settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoelT1]

The territory subject to the Mandate was never a "colonial project."

Do you have any proof for your assertion?

Britain named the British Mandate “palestine”

Britain called it Palestine because that was what it was.

History Lesson: “For Arabs, there was no country called palestine”

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is another strange Arab Palestinian Notion thing.

• Article 2, Palestine National Charter:
Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.​

Indeed, there is that pesky right to territorial integrity thing.

(COMMENT)

The "right to Territorial Integrity" ASSUMES that there is some sovereign territory to have integrity over.

What territory did the Arab Palestinians have sovereignty over in which the integrity was violated?

ANSWER: None

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the "Colonial Project" whining.

Where is it that the Palestinians were faced with a colonial project.

What are the legalities of that?

(COMMENT)

That is simply an illusion by the illiterate. The is nothing in the Middle East that is currently listed as a
Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT); subject to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) --- General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960.

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirming the importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, national sovereignty and territorial integrity and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples as imperatives for the full enjoyment of all human rights,

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

 

[JoelT1]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the "Colonial Project" whining.

Where is it that the Palestinians were faced with a colonial project.

What are the legalities of that?

(COMMENT)

That is simply an illusion by the illiterate. The is nothing in the Middle East that is currently listed as a
Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT); subject to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) --- General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960.

Most Respectfully,
R

Reaffirming the importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, national sovereignty and territorial integrity and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples as imperatives for the full enjoyment of all human rights,

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Um, there are 22 Arab countries

 

[JoelT1]

Arabs admit: “Palestinians” are a hoax Palestinian people do not exist

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This was actually a One-State Solution, with the Arab Majority in power.

This proposal was rejected by Israel, as it would have amounted to the disbanding of the state of Israel.

(COMMENT)

This was an ffer to dismantle the Jewish State. It was not a Peace Settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

So any offer to dismantle Palestine is not a peace Settlement?

 

[JoelT1]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This was actually a One-State Solution, with the Arab Majority in power.

This proposal was rejected by Israel, as it would have amounted to the disbanding of the state of Israel.

(COMMENT)

This was an ffer to dismantle the Jewish State. It was not a Peace Settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

So any offer to dismantle Palestine is not a peace Settlement?

Palestine was a Western colonial creation. Britain’s temporary name for the British Mandate, based on Roman Empire’s name for ancient Israel.