Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

Don't use a broad brush. There are a few bad apples in everybody's barrel.

A "few bad apples"?!

80% of the people of Gaza support planting IEDS to kill innocent Israelis.

That is not a "few bad apples". That is a culture of violence and dehumanization and a lack of respect for the sanctity of life.

kill innocent Israelis.

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, I don't think you do.

See, when Tinmore posts a photo with no source, no caption, no news article, no link, and often no comment, or if with a comment, a soundbyte painting Jews/Israelis (but he means Jews) as evil -- that's demonizing.

When Hollie (or Sixties) posts a news article with factual information about actual events, and then comments on the religious or cultural ideology, funding, government, international commentary, or terrorist groups which support and even drive those events -- that is not demonizing.

The one is simply assumes and illuminates the position that Jews are obviously evil. The other attempts to understand and demonstrate the causes of the events posted. You may disagree with Hollie's points that, say, UNWRA and financial aide to the Palestinians motivates them to ensure the continuation of "welfare dollars" or that there is a fundamental ideology within Islam which feeds certain aspects of the conflict, but if so make your case.

I disagree - when I read Hollie's personal commentary regarding the things she posts about the Palestinians and Muslims - it's no different than the one sided attacks that Tinmore makes. It is constantly implying a unique evil to Islam and Islam alone. THAT is demonizing.

it's no different than the one sided attacks that Tinmore makes.

This is a one sided issue.

How can it be?

There are multiple sides involved. And none of them have been angels. It's far from one sided.

And it is made worse when ever some one tries to justify the targeting and killing of civilians...

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

More like when someone creeps into a family home in the middle of the night and slits the throats of every member, including children and right down to a newborn baby. Or when someone firebombs a houseful of sleeping people burning alive an entire family including a toddler.

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

 

[admonit]

Apparently. I've been chewed out for only saying bad things about Israel (that didn't bother you?).

I believe you've been called out for internal inconsistency in claiming to be balanced in your approach, when you actually tend to post about Israel in a negative light.

I believe you are wrong in this. I've been called out for "always" demonizing Israel (not by you I might add).

Like Tinmore - it tends to be very one sided (but that only bothers you when Tinmore does it?).

I have no problem with anyone being one-sided. Kinda the nature of a discussion board on a contentious topic such as this one. The problem I have with Tinmore is not his one-sidedness. Its his vile views about the Jewish people -- you know, like claiming that it is morally and legally permissible to target and murder Jewish children.

When you imply or claim vile things about an entire group as a group, it's well - vile.

If a group adopts a vile ideology, then it can be legitimately called a vile group.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't use a broad brush. There are a few bad apples in everybody's barrel.

A "few bad apples"?!

80% of the people of Gaza support planting IEDS to kill innocent Israelis.

That is not a "few bad apples". That is a culture of violence and dehumanization and a lack of respect for the sanctity of life.

kill innocent Israelis.

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

Good point, there are no innocent muslims.

 

[Hollie]

More Arab-Moslem failures.

This must be a disappointment to the Iranian Mullocrats.



Gaza Riot Fizzles Despite Hamas Anniversary | Hamodia.com

Despite concerns that large numbers would participate, barely 2,000 Arabs showed up for a demonstration on the Gaza border fence Friday. Arabs rioted and threw rocks and firebombs at IDF soldiers, who responded with anti-riot measures. Several hundred of the rioters tried to storm the border fence, throwing firebombs at an IDF jeep that was patrolling the fence. The rioters were driven back, and there was no damage to the jeep. No Israelis were injured in the riots. Gaza sources said five rioters were injured.

 

[Shusha]

Don't use a broad brush. There are a few bad apples in everybody's barrel.

A "few bad apples"?!

80% of the people of Gaza support planting IEDS to kill innocent Israelis.

That is not a "few bad apples". That is a culture of violence and dehumanization and a lack of respect for the sanctity of life.

kill innocent Israelis.

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

See? This isn’t “bad apple”. This is the culture.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[José]

THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

After 50 years helping Israel make the war costly to Palestinians, the war finally became very costly to America as well.

 

[toomuchtime_]

THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

After 50 years helping Israel make the war costly to Palestinians, the war finally became very costly to America as well.

Don't be silly. There is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel, so there cannot be a peace process and there cannot be a Palestinians state.

 

[José]

Originally posted by toomuchtime
Don't be silly. There is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel, so there cannot be a peace process and there cannot be a Palestinians state.

Nolo contendere... no contest.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

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Most Respectfully,
R

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis.

The Palestinians do not want war. They were attacked by Israel in 1948 and those attacks have never stopped.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

View attachment 294881
Most Respectfully,
R

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

You clearly missed the point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

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Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Not true. The Palestinians have wanted to end the conflict with international law and UN resolutions forever. Israel is the refusenick here.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Christian Greek Orthodox community in Bethlehem has been in a tumult in recent days following the Palestinian Authority’s (PA) intention to expropriate the lands of the Church of Nativity which belong to the Church.

A few days ago, 11 institutions associated with the Greek-Orthodox Church published a statement protesting the ongoing attempt by the PA to take control of the plaza in front of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.
-----

A Bethlehem official told TPS that since the PA arrived in the city in 1994, the number of Christians in the city has significantly diminished and currently accounts for less than 22 percent of the city’s residents.

He further said that Christmas ceremonies are gradually turning from a religious Christian event to a national event sponsored by the PA, even though in recent years it has acted to deprive Christians of their properties.

(full article online)

WATCH: PA Taking Over Greek Orthodox Church Land in Bethlehem

 

[Sixties Fan]

In other words, the entire purpose of the conference was to push the fiction that Palestinians are Canaanites, because even the Torah admits that the land was Canaanite before the Israelites conquered it. Identifying as Canaanite allows Palestinians to claim that not only were they there before the Jews, but that the Jews had expelled them thousands of years ago.

Even more absurdly, Shtayyeh claimed that the modern Palestinians still worshiped Baal as their alleged ancestors did: "Baal was the most important god among the Canaanites, and we to this day call on his name when we pray for water for the land which is watered from rain water."

Worshipers of Baal were known for other things he might not wish to be associated with.


Engraving of Baal Pe'or, defecating

UPDATE: Shtayyeh ("Winter") is a relatively rare name for Palestinians. I see a Shtayeh family centered in northern Egypt and a Syrian Bedouin tribe with that name in the 19th century.

(full article online)

Palestinians hold a conference where they claim to be Canaanites (update) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

View attachment 294881
Most Respectfully,
R

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis.

The Palestinians do not want war. They were attacked by Israel in 1948 and those attacks have never stopped.

You missed the email with that Hamas charter attachment, right?

 

[Sixties Fan]

In the past, Israel banned any campaigning in Jerusalem altogether. For previous elections, Israel allowed ballot boxes to be placed in post offices in some Arab areas of Jerusalem, where they were transported to the PA-administered territories afterwards and counted. This way Israel considered them to be absentee ballots and Palestinians can claim that Jerusalem Arabs were allowed to vote. But this time the push seems to be to allow full campaigning and polling places, something the current Israeli government would not allow - but the PA loves to use the international community, especially Europeans, to pressure Israel on Jerusalem in any way possible.

(full article online)

Palestinians continue to use "elections" as a means to grab control of Jerusalem ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2​

⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The entirety of the rhetoric on the events since the unilateral Arab League intervention has been marked by the defenders of the Israelis and those of the Arab Palestinians (no matter which direction you observe the discussion) unfairly present perspectives of only one side of the "Question of Palestine." This very much includes biased interpretations and not giving a balanced picture.

"Among the rules that the parties to an armed conflict must respect when conducting hostilities, there is the prohibition of direct attacks against civilians and of indiscriminate attacks; the obligation to respect the principle of proportionality in attacks; and the obligation to take all feasible precautions so as to avoid as far as possible civilian casualties."
SOURCE: Internal conflicts or other situations of violence – what is the difference for victims?

10-12-2012 Interview

When these discussions arise, they are not often well received, especially amount the pro-Arab Palestinians.

• Fatah: Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when the killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis
By Itamar Marcus | Jul 18, 2019 •
• Palestinian Cleric Nasser Maarouf: A Martyr Killed by Jews Receives a Double Reward; Jihad must be Continued, Abandoning It Causes Discord •

• Home / Politics / Joint List MK Not Saying Killing Jews Legitimate, But Killing Jews Legitimate •
“I’m not saying it’s OK for Palestinians to resort to potentially deadly attacks against Israel under the rubric of ‘resistance to occupation,’ but it’s OK for Palestinians to target Israelis for deadly attacks as a form of legitimate resistance to occupation,” she stated this morning.

"MK Haneen Zoabi, who has in the past courted controversy for staunch anti-Israel rhetoric, sought to assuage concerns today that she had justified Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians such as the mortar attacks on Tuesday that included dozens of shells and injured 4 people,"

Do you mean like when Israel kills Palestinians by the thousands but whines about one or two by the Palestinians.?

(COMMENT)

Whether or not people understand it (and are not just emotionally influenced by it), this comparison is an evaluation of the effectiveness of the combatants in the conflict (with the underlying issue on the question of what it means to intentionally target the civilian population).

"Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited."

Urban Dictionary: Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. A "hip" expression of the 1960's-70's that advises you not to do something risky unless you are willing and able to accept the full weight of the consequences.​

Can illegal settlers living on stolen land be considered innocent?

(COMMENT)

Again, this is a matter of consequence...

The Arab Palestinians (through the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people) agreed to the principle that Area C full Israeli civil and security control.

At what point is the exercise of "full Israeli civil and security control" considered "illegal?"

We will see this tit for tat until Israel ends its war.

(COMMENT)

What does this imply, if not that the conflict duration is set by the Arab Palestinian condition that "Israel end the war?" This places the burden solely upon the Israelis. This is consistent with the Arab Palestinians dragging their feet on any matter of peace. The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. THUS, in order to achieve peace, the war must become so costly to the Arab Palestinians --- before they will be motivated to actually pursue the obligation to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries.

View attachment 294881
Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians are not yet politically interested in achieving peace through the Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Not true. The Palestinians have wanted to end the conflict with international law and UN resolutions forever. Israel is the refusenick here.

So, what's all this fuss with islamic terroristss massing at the israeli border?

 

[toomuchtime_]

In the past, Israel banned any campaigning in Jerusalem altogether. For previous elections, Israel allowed ballot boxes to be placed in post offices in some Arab areas of Jerusalem, where they were transported to the PA-administered territories afterwards and counted. This way Israel considered them to be absentee ballots and Palestinians can claim that Jerusalem Arabs were allowed to vote. But this time the push seems to be to allow full campaigning and polling places, something the current Israeli government would not allow - but the PA loves to use the international community, especially Europeans, to pressure Israel on Jerusalem in any way possible.

(full article online)

Palestinians continue to use "elections" as a means to grab control of Jerusalem ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Again we hear about the myth of Palestinian elections.

 

[Coyote]

I do. Very much. I just don't apply a one sided definition of it.

No, I don't think you do.

See, when Tinmore posts a photo with no source, no caption, no news article, no link, and often no comment, or if with a comment, a soundbyte painting Jews/Israelis (but he means Jews) as evil -- that's demonizing.

When Hollie (or Sixties) posts a news article with factual information about actual events, and then comments on the religious or cultural ideology, funding, government, international commentary, or terrorist groups which support and even drive those events -- that is not demonizing.

The one is simply assumes and illuminates the position that Jews are obviously evil. The other attempts to understand and demonstrate the causes of the events posted. You may disagree with Hollie's points that, say, UNWRA and financial aide to the Palestinians motivates them to ensure the continuation of "welfare dollars" or that there is a fundamental ideology within Islam which feeds certain aspects of the conflict, but if so make your case.

I disagree - when I read Hollie's personal commentary regarding the things she posts about the Palestinians and Muslims - it's no different than the one sided attacks that Tinmore makes. It is constantly implying a unique evil to Islam and Islam alone. THAT is demonizing.

it's no different than the one sided attacks that Tinmore makes.

This is a one sided issue.

It is not. There are 2 sides to every coin. My relatives immigrated to Israel after WW2, when they had no place else to go to.

That wasn't the Palestinian's fault. Why should they get bounced for that?

There was immigration on both sides - there were also Arabs, from Egypt, Syria etc. who immigrated to the region for work. Why don't you blame them as well?