Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

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There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.​
Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1​
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:​
(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;​
(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​
Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
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While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

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Most Respectfully,
R
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

When your old landlord dies, why do you suddenly own your old apartment?
What if they own the house?
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
The part where you believe that an opinion you found on wiki invented your imagined Pally state is confusing.

For most of its history Palestine has been under foreign rule.. Whether Egyptian, Assyrian, Greek, Roman, Turk, Arab or British.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
The part where you believe that an opinion you found on wiki invented your imagined Pally state is confusing.
You can find the same information from many places. It is just easier to find in Wiki.
 
It seems the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pals have co-opted Jesus as a Pally martyr. He’s due a street named in his honor.




PA PM insults Christianity by comparing Jesus to murderers and suicide bombers


Itamar Marcus | Jan 3, 2021
In a speech at a Christmas dinner, the PA’s Prime Minister, Muhammad Shtayyeh, repeated the PA’s historically false narrative, turning Jesus into a “Palestinian.” He further insulted Christianity saying that Jesus was “the first Palestinian self-sacrificing fighter” and the one who taught Palestinians “Martyrdom-death”:
PA Prime Minister Shtayyeh: “Our lord Jesus, peace be upon him – the first Palestinian self-sacrificing fighter from whom we learned Martyrdom-death, and who paid for his mission with his life.”
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Dec. 28, 2020]
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
The part where you believe that an opinion you found on wiki invented your imagined Pally state is confusing.
You can find the same information from many places. It is just easier to find in Wiki.
False.

Nothing in the wiki article supports your desperation.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
Why do you post here when you know so little?
LOL. Says the one who says Palestine has international borders..
But why didn’t you answer my question? Let’s try again.. What day, month and Year did Palestine become a state? I find information on google about the creation of ANY country in world, yet nothing on Palestine. Also, you ignored my earlier questions about what specifically are Palestine’s borders (east, west, north, south)
So instead of trying to insult me, why don’t you answer the question ?
 
All one has to do is look but at the last several dozen posts and you will see that Tinmore has not answered or backed up any of his claims.
I have truly never seen someone who knows so little about this conflict, yet posts so much jibberish
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
---------------
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
Why do you post here when you know so little?
LOL. Says the one who says Palestine has international borders..
But why didn’t you answer my question? Let’s try again.. What day, month and Year did Palestine become a state? I find information on google about the creation of ANY country in world, yet nothing on Palestine. Also, you ignored my earlier questions about what specifically are Palestine’s borders (east, west, north, south)
So instead of trying to insult me, why don’t you answer the question ?
I did a search using the phrase “history of the country of Palestine” and as you might except, no results. That’s precisely what one might expect for a “country” that has never existed.... except in some alternate reality.
 
It seems the Arabs-Moslems masquerading as Pals have co-opted Jesus as a Pally martyr. He’s due a street named in his honor.




PA PM insults Christianity by comparing Jesus to murderers and suicide bombers


Itamar Marcus | Jan 3, 2021
In a speech at a Christmas dinner, the PA’s Prime Minister, Muhammad Shtayyeh, repeated the PA’s historically false narrative, turning Jesus into a “Palestinian.” He further insulted Christianity saying that Jesus was “the first Palestinian self-sacrificing fighter” and the one who taught Palestinians “Martyrdom-death”:
PA Prime Minister Shtayyeh: “Our lord Jesus, peace be upon him – the first Palestinian self-sacrificing fighter from whom we learned Martyrdom-death, and who paid for his mission with his life.”
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Dec. 28, 2020]

Well, that's pretty mean-spirited. Palestinians are Arabs.. even the Arab Jews and Christians are Palestinians. Some are descended from Jews and Crusaders... and they have been there forever.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
---------------
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
Why do you post here when you know so little?
LOL. Says the one who says Palestine has international borders..
But why didn’t you answer my question? Let’s try again.. What day, month and Year did Palestine become a state? I find information on google about the creation of ANY country in world, yet nothing on Palestine. Also, you ignored my earlier questions about what specifically are Palestine’s borders (east, west, north, south)
So instead of trying to insult me, why don’t you answer the question ?

Israel was never a state either. It was briefly a city state in the Syrian province of Palestine... and they didn't immigrate from Europe or Russia.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: Again you are making a claim forming careless reasoning that comes to a conclusion without the evidence to support it.

NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.
(COMMENT)

I'm not sure of any particular incident you might be using as an example.

Paragraph 11 of UN A/RES/194 III is often used as the basis for the claim by Hostile Arab Palestinians for the "Right of Return." Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but it is merely a snapshot in time on how the pro-Palestinian alliance was able to voice its opinion. But, A/RES/194
(III) is not law and never went into force.

Even if it had some basis of enforcement, what the Resolution says is: "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date." Resolution 194
(III) was passed on 11 December 1948. However, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) made their pledge that: "The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them (the HoAP) out — man, woman and child." (AHC THREAT A/AC.21/10 of 16 February 1948)

This 70-year-old pledge is just as threatening today as it was in 1948 when it was first formally made. This is just as true today → when General Principles and Policies of Hamas (holding the majority of seats in the Arab Palestinian Legislature), formally announced that: Hamas does not recognize the authority of the United Nations, its institutions, or its resolutions, including Resolution 181 on partitioning the Land of Israel/Palestine.
Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.

The HoAP have no intention of living at peace with their neighbors.

PA: All Israel is “our land Palestine”; All Israelis are settlers; Israel's demise is certain
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Dec 17, 2020

Israel will take such steps as they feel is necessary to protect national security, public order, public health or morals, or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
Israel was never a state either.

Never? Link?

I'll have to do some digging to find a concise article for you.. In the meantime, you may find this very interesting. Most everything is exaggerated in the Koran as well. There were no huge armies.. They couldn't feed them.

 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
---------------
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
Why do you post here when you know so little?
LOL. Says the one who says Palestine has international borders..
But why didn’t you answer my question? Let’s try again.. What day, month and Year did Palestine become a state? I find information on google about the creation of ANY country in world, yet nothing on Palestine. Also, you ignored my earlier questions about what specifically are Palestine’s borders (east, west, north, south)
So instead of trying to insult me, why don’t you answer the question ?
I did a search using the phrase “history of the country of Palestine” and as you might except, no results. That’s precisely what one might expect for a “country” that has never existed.... except in some alternate reality.

Germany and Italy didn't exist as states or countries either. They were principalities or Baronies, Did you never study Modern European History?
 
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