Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

BLUF: You are right. Israel has borders.

Our friend P F Tinmore has decided not to identify some claimed “new states” he insists exist having something to do with the Treaty of Lausanne and additionally is not willing to identify something he calls international borders attached to some place he calls “the country of Pal’istan”

I checked nationmaster for one source and found no record of “new states”. If these “new states” were created as a part of the Treaty of Lausanne, someone apparently forgot to name them. I did not find any data on a country called “Palestine” or borders attached to such a place.

I did find data for Israel and a listing of bordering states. If Israel has identifiable borders with such places as Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc., I would then assume that Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, have identifiable borders with Israel, but I could be wrong about that.

(REFERENCES)


◈ Israeli-PalestinianInterim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6

Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel

Golan Heights Law

Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979)

United Nations, Security Council Documents 1975 S/11818 of 2 September 1975, as well as S/11818/Add.l/ Corr.l, S/11818/Add.l, S/11818/Add.2, S/11818/Add.3, S/11818/Add.4, S/11818/Add.5/Corr.l and S/11818/ Add.5, and United Nations, Security Council Documents 1974 S/11198 of 18 January 1974 and S/11198/Add.l

Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994)

Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon

The nationality does not set the boundaries. It is the boundaries that set the nationalities. And the Allied Powers set the boundaries. " Syria was set by the "frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October 1921." From that point, the Mandate boundaries that partitioned Syria were determined between France and Great Britain (Treaty # 564). Treaty #564 is the Franco-British Convention of 23 December 1920. It is this Convention that documents the settlement of problems raised by the attribution connected with the French Mandates for Syria and Lebanon, as they relate to the Mandates for Palestine and Mesopotamia."

Like solutions in Mathematics, some political determination reaches a point where they cannot be simplified any further. As I noted in an earlier discussion, the entirety of these Treaties and Agreements have all been overtaken by events through the decisions outlined in documents I mentioned in Posting #631 of this thread.

Posting #647. Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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Most Respectfully,
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The nationality does not set the boundaries. It is the boundaries that set the nationalities.
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries. Later to become citizens of Palestine by domestic law.
And the Allied Powers set the boundaries.
They did, but then decided not to annex the territories. The inhabitants inherited those territories.The inhabitants are the sovereigns of their territory as stated in subsequent UN resolutions.
You allude to some borders and what you apparently believe were a number of countries you insist were created by the Treaty of Lausanne yet you cannot identify anywhere in the Treaty what countries were created or the borders of those imagined countries. I know with certainty that you have been advised of this on dozens of occasions yet you continue pressing some rather delusional beliefs. The Treaty of Lausanne identifies nothing about countries created upon signing of the Treaty. As you apparently are not aware, no representative of any “Pal’istan

There is nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne that sets forth “inheritance” of territory.

Where do you get these ideas?
It is too complicated for you.

It's not complicated at all. It's just a fact that Israel has entered into treaties with nations which have been identified for you on dozens of occasions. You retreat into conspiracy theory mode, spam the board with nonsensical claims about those treaties not existing and then blather on with claims about imaginary 'new states' and an imaginary 'country of Pal'istan' which don't exist, When you're presented with the facts, you spam the board with more nonsense because your intent is to spam the board.

Here's a link to the Treaty of Lausanne. Identify a single instance of the term 'Palestine'

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive (byu.edu)

Identify a single instance of the term 'inheritance' or 'inheritance of territory'.




In anticipation of your usual spam, _____________ <------- here is where you can cut and paste your dancing men cartoons and add the usual babble.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
I’m afraid your fraud is exposed as such. The footnote creating your ‘state of Pal’istan’ is an opinion.

You didn’t find it odd that the Islamic terrorists in Fatah and Hamas are still whining about ‘statehood’?

Cut and paste your zebra next time. That’s always good for a laugh.
 
There’s a planned celebration in the Islamic terrorist enclave of Fatah’istan. It’s a commemoration of what you might expect; a commemoration of an attempted Islamic terrorist attack. In many places, commemorations are in place to celebrate achievements of individuals who made a positive contribution to society or events that served a national interest.

In the alternate universe of Islamic Terrorist’istan, they celebrate attacks on civilians and infrastructure.




The Palestinian political party and organization Fatah is planning to commemorate its first attempted terrorist attack in light of the New Year, according to a Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) report Thursday.

On Friday, January 1, Fatah will commemorate the 56th anniversary of terrorist attacks against Israeli targets, including infrastructure and civilians, when they attempted to blow up Israel’s National Water Carrier in 1965.
 


Palestinian Media Watch says clip on social media site popular with children is latest in a string of ‘similar animations urging Palestinians to murder Israelis’

A screenshot from an animated recreation of a Palestinian stabbing attack posted on the popular social media app TikTok. (Screenshot)
A screenshot from an animated recreation of a Palestinian stabbing attack posted on the popular social media app TikTok. (Screenshot)
It’s called programming the next generation of Cultists. What passes for content aimed at children is just vile in the Pally Death Cult but ‘get’em while they’re young’ is a tactic common to Cults.


An animated video portraying several real-life Palestinian terror attacks against Israelis was found TikTok, the on the video-sharing social networking app popular with children, the Palestinian Media Watch NGO said Wednesday.

The video, which appeared to glorify the murder of Jews, highlighted four separate attacks in CGI vignettes set to heroic music. PMW, an Israeli watchdog which monitors Palestinian media, said that it had previously “exposed similar animations urging Palestinians to murder Israelis” and noted that TikTok was popular among children.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
 
The Abbas Islamic terrorist franchise would like nothing more than a chance to a return of those halcyon days when the Great Satan™️ showered them with financing for presidential jets, weapons and ammo for the gee-had and boatloads of cash for their personal bank accounts.

Shia Iranian money will finance a portion of the gee-had but there’s nothing like cash from the infidel to bolster that Islamic tradition of jizyah.



The Palestinian Authority is angling for a reset of relations with the U.S. predicated on a removal of the PA from Washington’s list of terror groups, The Times of Israel reported on Thursday.

The Palestinians are hoping that the Biden administration will agree to support a repeal of congressional legislation from 1987 that labeled the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) “and its affiliates” a terror group, senior Palestinian officials told the Times.

PA officials were quoted as saying that a plan to modify its method of payouts to Palestinian security prisoners and the families of terrorists could make possible a change in Washington.

The altered policy would base the stipends on prisoners’ financial need rather than the length of their sentence, which critics have long pointed to as evidence that the money is a reward for terrorism, otherwise branded “pay for slay.”
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
 
How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Well, it seems that Zionists threaten with the death of our entire planet, if their regime is in danger:


Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch(2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan:

'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.'

I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.

We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[30]


Samson Option - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

How can you negotiate with people who have chosen to behave like "mad dogs"?
How can you negotiate with people who threaten to destroy the entire planet?

Why do countries with nuclear weapons have them? Are they all mad dogs? Is Iran a mad dog? Their war against Sunni Islam could well endanger the planet.

Have no fear, SA is going to have nukes first, buying them from Pakistan. And yet Iran does not have nukes. Possibly they should buy them from Russia. I find it amazing that your all on Sunnis side, when Iran is helping us fight Isis and Isis are rebel Sunnis, (I think they are paid mercenaries, but that is besides the point) , and the point is Saudi Arabia and Qatar is worst than Iran , Iran need I remind everyone never attacked the US or any other country.


Saudi Arabia has opposed nuclear proliferation in the region for 70 years. After Israel loaned US foreign aid money to India to build nukes KSA paid for Pakistan to also develop nuclear weapons.. KSA won't be buying them from Pakistan. In fact, KSA wants nuclear Desalination NOT nuclear weapons unless they are forced into them by Iran.

Meanwhile, Qatar is on the same side as Iran because they share the South Pars gas field and host both Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Martin Van Creveld also said Israel didn't need the occupied West Bank or Golan Heights for defense.

Not to worry.. Most of our state dept doesn't know squat about the ME either.

Iran isn't going to bomb Israel.. They would be a greasy spot in 30 minutes.. That's just Bibi's way of keeping the fear and the money flowing
 


Palestinian Media Watch says clip on social media site popular with children is latest in a string of ‘similar animations urging Palestinians to murder Israelis’

A screenshot from an animated recreation of a Palestinian stabbing attack posted on the popular social media app TikTok. (Screenshot)
A screenshot from an animated recreation of a Palestinian stabbing attack posted on the popular social media app TikTok. (Screenshot)
It’s called programming the next generation of Cultists. What passes for content aimed at children is just vile in the Pally Death Cult but ‘get’em while they’re young’ is a tactic common to Cults.


An animated video portraying several real-life Palestinian terror attacks against Israelis was found TikTok, the on the video-sharing social networking app popular with children, the Palestinian Media Watch NGO said Wednesday.

The video, which appeared to glorify the murder of Jews, highlighted four separate attacks in CGI vignettes set to heroic music. PMW, an Israeli watchdog which monitors Palestinian media, said that it had previously “exposed similar animations urging Palestinians to murder Israelis” and noted that TikTok was popular among children.

Demonizing the Palestinians is an old, old tactic.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

(REFERENCEs)

There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.

Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:

(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;

(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.

Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
(COMMENT)

While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
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A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
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Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

(REFERENCEs)

There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.​
Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1​
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:​
(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;​
(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​
Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
(COMMENT)

While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R

Have you ever seen any of the Palestinian refugee camps since 1950?
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

(REFERENCEs)

There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.​
Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1​
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:​
(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;​
(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​
Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
(COMMENT)

While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
---------------
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
----------------
Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
Ok, then when was Palestine created as a state?? Exactly what day, month and year??
Why do you post here when you know so little?
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

(REFERENCEs)

There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.​
Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1​
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:​
(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;​
(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​
Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
(COMMENT)

While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

When your old landlord dies, why do you suddenly own your old apartment?
 
Indeed, and the Palestinian nationality was set by Palestine's international boundaries.

Is that why no Palestinians signed the armistice agreements, only Israelis?
No.
So... I was hoping you would give us a list of those ''new states'' you have invented.

Link?

Those ''new states'' would likely have, you know, names to help identify them.

Anything yet on those 'new states'?

Link?

Hands on hips... tapping foot on the floor...
Posted before. Sorry you missed it.
---------------
A disagreement regarding the legal status and the portion of the annuities to be paid by the "A" mandates was settled when an Arbitrator ruled that some of the mandates contained more than one State:

The difficulty arises here how one is to regard the Asiatic countries under the British and French mandates. Iraq is a Kingdom in regard to which Great Britain has undertaken responsibilities equivalent to those of a Mandatory Power. Under the British mandate, Palestine and Transjordan have each an entirely separate organization. We are, therefore, in the presence of three States sufficiently separate to be considered as distinct Parties. France has received a single mandate from the Council of the League of Nations, but in the countries subject to that mandate, one can distinguish two distinct States: Syria and the Lebanon, each State possessing its own constitution and a nationality clearly different from the other.[25]
----------------
Five new states: Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
What does this post have to do with anything. You didn’t even come close to answering hey question. Geez, what - surprise: Tinmore gets asked to back up his post, and doesn’t once again ! Hahaha
Keep on dancing Tinmore !!!!
Iraq, Palestine, and Transjordan under Britain. Syria and Lebanon under France. Five new states.

What part of that confuses you?
The part where you believe that an opinion you found on wiki invented your imagined Pally state is confusing.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

BLUF: I am not sure what difference the "magnitude" (the extent observers the number) has to do with the impact on and decision. Whether it is Zero, a hundred thousand, or in the millions. The numbers should not alter or influence the decisions to be made.

(REFERENCEs)

There are requirement issues and criteria that need to be agreed upon.

For nearly three-quarters of a century, the Arab Palestinians in the territories adjacent to Israel have considered themselves some sort of special case. And they have determined that they can alter the definition of a "Refugee" that is much, much broader than humanity has considered and defined a "Refugees" in the past (and unto the present day).

In my opinion, there are a couple of key points that will significantly reduce the numbers covered for services under CERI (Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions). A Palestinian Refugee is defined by CERI as:
Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions said:
Palestine Refugee Any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948 and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict, and descendants of such persons, including legally adopted children, through the male line. UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria are formulated for the Agency’s operational purposes. There are persons who are registered by host countries/authorities as Palestine refugees or Palestinian refugees but who are not registered as Palestine Refugees in the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Registration System and who may or may not meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria.​
Source: United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) • Consolidate Eligibility Registration Instructions
NOTE: "The purpose of this definition to set out for the guidance of UNRWA staff, the persons and categories of persons who are eligible to register to receive UNRWA services and those who are eligible to receive services without being registered;


"The 1951 Convention consolidates previous international instruments relating to refugees and provides the most comprehensive codification of the rights of refugees at the international level. In contrast to earlier international refugee instruments, which applied to specific groups of refugees, the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article1.

United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees said:
EXCERPT • Article 1​
For the purposes of the present Convention, the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:​
(1) Has been considered a refugee under the Arrangements of 12 May 1926 and 30 June 1928 or under the Conventions of 28 October 1933 and 10 February 1938, the Protocol of 14 September 1939 or the Constitution of the International Refugee Organization; Decisions of non-eligibility taken by the International Refugee Organization during the period of its activities shall not prevent the status of refugee being accorded to persons who fulfill the conditions of paragraph 2 of this section;​
(2) As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. In the case of a person who has more than one nationality, the term “the country of his nationality” shall mean each of the countries of which he is a national, and a person shall not be deemed to be lacking the protection of the country of his nationality if, without any valid reason based on well-founded fear, he has not availed himself of the protection of one of the countries of which he is a national.​
Source: United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
(COMMENT)

While the descendants of Refugee, including legally adopted children, are eligible for services under CERI, they should not be considered a Refugee if they have never lived anywhere other than a territory adjacent to Israel.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they enjoy the protection of the State of Palestine (alla 2012) or have participated in the Arab Palestinian elections of 2006.

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they represent a threat to national security, public order, public health, or a danger to the other rights recognized in theInternational Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).

While the Arab Palestinians considered themselves Refugees, they are NOT Refugees if they have been involved in Any propaganda effort for war, or the advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence prohibited by law (IAW CCPR).

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
NOTE: "The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

Palestinians get shot if they try to return to their homes.

When your old landlord dies, why do you suddenly own your old apartment?

Palestine has been province of Syria since Herodotus the Greek Historian circa 500 BC. What do you mean old landlord? The Arabs fought with the British to chase the Turks out.
 
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