Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[surada]

Palestine was created as a state as was Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Transjordan.

Liar.

Looking at the documents creating the new states, I never saw the words "except Palestine."

You made the claim that Israel wasn't mentioned in any armistice agreement.
Remember when I posted the agreements that disproved your claim?

Israeli forces were mentioned. Israel was not.

Israel wasn't simply mentioned in the armistice agreements, Israel was a principal party to the agreements.

Can you post the links you were given.....repeatedly?

OK, they had troops in Palestine.

That's not a link.

Israel wasn't simply mentioned in the armistice agreements, Israel was a principal party to the agreements.

Can you post the links you were given.....repeatedly?

What armistice agreements exist that included the 'country of Pal'istan' as a principal party with the agreements signed by representatives of the 'country of Pal'istan'?

Links?

The war was fought in Palestine but it was not a party of the war.

Because it wasn't a nation. Still isn't.

Palestine is a province of Syria.. Recognized since 500 BC by Greek historian Herodotus.
Palestinians have always lived there.. since Abraham..

 

[surada]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

 

[toastman]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

Israel started which war ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine was created as a state as was Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Transjordan.

Liar.

Looking at the documents creating the new states, I never saw the words "except Palestine."

You made the claim that Israel wasn't mentioned in any armistice agreement.
Remember when I posted the agreements that disproved your claim?

Israeli forces were mentioned. Israel was not.

Israel wasn't simply mentioned in the armistice agreements, Israel was a principal party to the agreements.

Can you post the links you were given.....repeatedly?

OK, they had troops in Palestine.

That's not a link.

Israel wasn't simply mentioned in the armistice agreements, Israel was a principal party to the agreements.

Can you post the links you were given.....repeatedly?

What armistice agreements exist that included the 'country of Pal'istan' as a principal party with the agreements signed by representatives of the 'country of Pal'istan'?

Links?

The war was fought in Palestine but it was not a party of the war.

Because it wasn't a nation. Still isn't.

Palestine is a province of Syria.. Recognized since 500 BC by Greek historian Herodotus.
Palestinians have always lived there.. since Abraham..

Palestine is a province of Syria.. Recognized since 500 BC by Greek historian Herodotus.

2500 years ago? Cool story!! Any proof a bit more recent that it was a nation?

Palestinians have always lived there.. since Abraham..

Abraham? Was he one of those Jewish Palestinians?

 

[Hollie]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

You seem concerned with a concern only you are concerned with.

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

When did the Great Satangive East Jerusalem and The Golan Heights to Israel? Link?

Your various and rather odd versions of history are a hoot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When did the Great Satangive East Jerusalem and The Golan Heights to Israel? Link?

Trump invokes Jerusalem and Golan as accomplishments in letter protesting impeachment

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www.haaretz.com

President Donald Trump named recognizing Israel’s claim to Jerusalem as its capital and its sovereignty over the Golan Heights as accomplishments in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi protesting impeachment proceedings.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was created as a state as was Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Transjordan.

Liar.

Looking at the documents creating the new states, I never saw the words "except Palestine."

Which document created Palestine? What were the borders?

Look in the legend for the symbol for international boundaries. Than find those symbols on the Map.

Plan of partition?
Where does it show the nation of Palestine?

Inside Palestine's international boundaries. DUH!

That's a proposed map of a Jewish state and an Arab state, look in the legend.
Not the nation of Palestine. DURR

Try again?

The map says Palestine Plan of Partition. It is a modified 1946 map of Palestine with the added defunct partition plan.

The map says Palestine Plan of Partition.

And it isn't a map of the nation of Palestine.
You have one of those?

Indeed, the Plan was to partition Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

When did the Great Satangive East Jerusalem and The Golan Heights to Israel? Link?

Trump invokes Jerusalem and Golan as accomplishments in letter protesting impeachment

***

www.haaretz.com

President Donald Trump named recognizing Israel’s claim to Jerusalem as its capital and its sovereignty over the Golan Heights as accomplishments in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi protesting impeachment proceedings.

I would have thought you might take the time to understand what you earlier wrote and then understand that posting a link not supporting your claim is time wasting.

President Trump never gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Heights to Israel. The US never had control of those territories.

Perhaps you're suggesting that among things accomplished by the Treaty of Lausanne, (aside from inventing the imaginary ''country of Pal'istan'') the Treaty of Lausanne also created two new US states, called East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. In that case, yes, you would be correct and I agree that two US states were given to Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The "Palestine they are discussing is the Palestine subject to the Mandate and nothing further.

The Palestinians became citizens of Palestine not of a Mandate.

 

[Hollie]

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

Indeed, there still seems to be some confusion (or misrepresentation) on your part about various armistice agreements and which entities were the principals in those agreements.

What armistice agreements exist that included the 'country of Pal'istan' as a principal party with the agreements signed by representatives of the 'country of Pal'istan'?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

 

[Hollie]

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

Which nations were the principal parties signing the armistice agreements you referenced?

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Indeed.

What armistice agreements are you referring to? What nations signed the armistice agreements?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Indeed.

What armistice agreements are you referring to? What nations signed the armistice agreements?

The Mandate did no commence until about 3 months after the signing of The Treaty of Lausanne.

So the point is that Palestine was there before the Mandate started and was still there after the Mandate left.

So we should put that Mandate thing to bed.

 

[surada]

the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies

the establishment in Palestine

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.

The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.

There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.

A state does not need a Mandate to exist.

An imaginary state doesn't need borders.

Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.

You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?

Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.

Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.

Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.

There is a question of validity here.

BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .

Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.

Israel started which war ?

1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Indeed.

What armistice agreements are you referring to? What nations signed the armistice agreements?

The Mandate did no commence until about 3 months after the signing of The Treaty of Lausanne.

So the point is that Palestine was there before the Mandate started and was still there after the Mandate left.

So we should put that Mandate thing to bed.

The loosely defined geographic area called Pal’istan (you mean the administrative Sanjak of the Ottoman Empire) existed as a geographic area.

I think most of the planet has put the mandate thing to bed, except for you. You obsess over it.

What nations signed the armistice agreements?

 

[surada]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Indeed.

What armistice agreements are you referring to? What nations signed the armistice agreements?

The Mandate did no commence until about 3 months after the signing of The Treaty of Lausanne.

So the point is that Palestine was there before the Mandate started and was still there after the Mandate left.

So we should put that Mandate thing to bed.

The loosely defined geographic area called Pal’istan (you mean the administrative Sanjak of the Ottoman Empire) existed as a geographic area.

What nations signed the armistice agreements?

Palestine has been home to Arab Jews, Muslims and Christians for over 1300 years. They didn't immigrate from Europe.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.

The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948

Indeed.

What armistice agreements are you referring to? What nations signed the armistice agreements?

The Mandate did no commence until about 3 months after the signing of The Treaty of Lausanne.

So the point is that Palestine was there before the Mandate started and was still there after the Mandate left.

So we should put that Mandate thing to bed.

The loosely defined geographic area called Pal’istan (you mean the administrative Sanjak of the Ottoman Empire) existed as a geographic area.

What nations signed the armistice agreements?

Palestine has been home to Arab Jews, Muslims and Christians for over 1300 years. They didn't immigrate from Europe.

Where did the Christian Crusaders come from?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?

In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.

In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine.

S/1264/Corr.1 of 23 February 1949 (un.org)

That's weird.
An agreement between the government of Israel and the government of Egypt.
No mention of the government of Palestine.