Toddsterpatriot
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Indeed, the Plan was to partition Palestine.
And who was going to get the parts?
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Indeed, the Plan was to partition Palestine.
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )Israel started which war ?BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine appliesThere can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.the establishment in Palestine
The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.
And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.
A state does not need a Mandate to exist.
An imaginary state doesn't need borders.
Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.
Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.
There is a question of validity here.
Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )Israel started which war ?BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine appliesThere can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.the establishment in Palestine
The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.
And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.
A state does not need a Mandate to exist.
An imaginary state doesn't need borders.
Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.
Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.
There is a question of validity here.
Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
They seriously kicked some Arab ass in 1967, didn't they?
What territory specifically are you talking about that Israel ‘claims’ is theirs . Post a map and hilogeIn all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?
In the months prior to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. Israel reiterated its post-1956 position that the closure of the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping would be a cause for war (a casus belli).I read facts, like the facts that the Arabs were massing troops around Israel, making threats of annihalation and had closed the straits of Tiran, which Israel had said would be taken as an act of war. So Israel pre emptively attacked the Arabs (which is pathetic considering how small Israel is compared to the countries of beat by destroying all their air forces )Israel started which war ?BTW , where did you read that the US gave Israel East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights? Israel captured them during wars that Arabs started .Of course there are a couple concerns that everybody ducks.You sure about that ? Would you like me to embarrass you again by posting Israel’s INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDERS with Egypt and Jordan ? Yea or no Tinmore ?Interesting thing to say since Israel has never declared its borders.There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine appliesThere can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine. Balfour recognizes the existence of Palestine. The Treaty of Lausanne called it a state. The League of Nations called it a state. Various court rulings called it a state. The US had a trade agreement with Palestine in 1932.the establishment in Palestine
The liars in Israel says that Palestine is not a state with no evidence to back up that claim.
There can't be a Mandate For Palestine if there is no Palestine.
And since there is no longer a Mandate for Palestine, we agree there is no longer a Palestine.
A state does not need a Mandate to exist.
An imaginary state doesn't need borders.
Israel claims borders on land that the UN calls Palestine.
Those treaties were brokered by the US. You know...the country that illegally gave East Jerusalem and The Golan Hts. to Israel.
There is a question of validity here.
Israel planned the war beginning in 1953 .. Read Moshe Dayan. They attacked Egypt when all Egypt's troops were fighting in Yemen.
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
Since the Arabs lost the war, of course they act like crying babies and play the victim card. Truly pathetic..
They weren't amassing troops around Israel.. The Straits of Tiran had been closed for 14 months.. Nasser had asked for a summit to resolved the problem. Egyptian troops were deployed in Yemen to fight the civil war there.
Golly. This is weird. There was an Israel - Lebanon Armistice agreement signed in 1949.The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.
What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?
(COMMENT)In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.
(COMMENT)The Palestinians became citizens of Palestine not of a Mandate.The "Palestine they are discussing is the Palestine subject to the Mandate and nothing further.
(COMMENT)The Armistice Agreements were in 1949. The Mandate left Palestine in 1948Indeed, the territory under the authority of the earlier mandate, was known coincidently as the ''Mandate for Palestine''.
1967.. They planned it for over a decade/ Read Moshe Dayan.
They seriously kicked some Arab ass in 1967, didn't they?
They wanted more land and water. Read Moshe Dayan.
US taxpayers have paid thru the nose.
Of course all of that ducks my post.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: You are once again confused. You are entirely off target.
What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?(COMMENT)In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.
An Armistice agreement is a Military arrangement. It is not a UN Document or a pronouncement by the UN. It is written in a language acceptable to each political chain.
The purpose of an Armistice is the cessation of hostilities as a first step towards a peaceful resolution. It only defines the Armistice Lines not the territorial disposition or conclude to any other political question.
You specifically mentioned the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements:
◈ Article VI(9) • General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel.The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.◈ Article V(2) • General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.
Having said that, once a permanent peace arrangement is agreed upon, the Armistice Agreement is no longer in force. It is completely replaced. You should also take notice that:
◈ Neither in the Preamble of the body of the Peace Treaty (all thirty article) between Jordan and Israel, the word "Palestine" is not mentioned.
◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"What is in force today, does not elude to an independent and self-governing state called Palestine. You need to quit worrying about what happened more than a half-century ago, and come up to speed on what is relevant today.
Most Respectfully,
R
Interesting since the Mandate had been gone for three decades and they are still using that pejorative term.◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"
And where was the UN when Palestine was being raped by Israel? Sitting around with their thumb up their ass like they have been for the last seven decades.Yes to a point this is true (intentional misinformation to deceive the discussion group). But you didn't tell the whole story. The Mandate transferred to the International Trustee System under Article 77(1a) UN Charter.
Mandates had no territory.Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."
Mandates had no territory.Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."
Another unsubstantiated Israeli talking point.Mandates had no territory.Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."
Neither does Palestine, eh?
The Mandate did not require territory.Mandates had no territory.Because it was NOT a new "state" but rather a "mandated territory."
Your characterization Is false and intended as misinformationAnd where was the UN when Palestine was being raped by Israel? Sitting around with their thumb up their ass like they have been for the last seven decades.Yes to a point this is true (intentional misinformation to deceive the discussion group). But you didn't tell the whole story. The Mandate transferred to the International Trustee System under Article 77(1a) UN Charter.
Of course all of that ducks my post.RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: You are once again confused. You are entirely off target.
What land does the UN call Pal’istan? When did the UN get into the land calling business?(COMMENT)In all of the 1949 UN Armistice Agreements, the UN called all of Palestine Palestine. In the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements the UN called the Negev Palestine. Israel claims borders on that territory.
An Armistice agreement is a Military arrangement. It is not a UN Document or a pronouncement by the UN. It is written in a language acceptable to each political chain.
The purpose of an Armistice is the cessation of hostilities as a first step towards a peaceful resolution. It only defines the Armistice Lines not the territorial disposition or conclude to any other political question.
You specifically mentioned the Jordanian and Egyptian Armistice Agreements:
◈ Article VI(9) • General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel.The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.◈ Article V(2) • General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.
Having said that, once a permanent peace arrangement is agreed upon, the Armistice Agreement is no longer in force. It is completely replaced. You should also take notice that:
◈ Neither in the Preamble of the body of the Peace Treaty (all thirty article) between Jordan and Israel, the word "Palestine" is not mentioned.
◈ In the Preamble and body of the Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the "Palestine" is only mentioned specifically as the "mandated territory of Palestine,"What is in force today, does not elude to an independent and self-governing state called Palestine. You need to quit worrying about what happened more than a half-century ago, and come up to speed on what is relevant today.
Most Respectfully,
R