Who here still supports impeachment?

[Mac1958]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
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[Votto]

It's really hard to know who believes what in all the lying on the Left.
For example, which do they believe more, Trump is Hitler or that Trump should take all our guns?
Is carbon emissions really destroying the planet or should we all ban anti-carbon emitting nuclear power like the Dims want to do?
Sometimes I think Leftists even get confused.

It does get silly.

And of course, the Right does the same thing, equating the Left with Nazis, claiming that Obama is Kenyan, that Dems are for open borders, etc., etc.......

It goes on and on.

And that's why partisans have zero credibility, none. Nothing they say can be taken as fact out of hand. That's their own fault.
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Democrats are for open borders...you can't be this simple minded.

Link?
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Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

Bernie Sanders Calls For Complete Ban On Deportations - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI),
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.


Trump To Lead Fight Against Socialism

Again, like the border situation, it would be more truthful to say that the GOP advocates for socialism than to say they are fighting it.

Oh come on, a complete ban on deportations, providing healhcare for illegals, granting amnesty, saying they want to tear down that wall, etc...none of that means they are for open borders. What are you thinking?

Fake news?

 

[Crepitus]

As I've said all along, it's not possible while the Senate majority has their collective lips stuck to the base of the tiny orange dick.

 

[Votto]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
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I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

 

[Mac1958]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
.

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
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[Votto]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
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This is but a taste of radicalism from the Left. Keep in mind that this was before all the Kav allegations.

Protester Smears Menstrual Bloody Mess in Kavanaugh Hearing - The Shad Olson Show

Protester Smears Menstrual Bloody Mess in Kavanaugh Hearing - The Shad Olson Show
"The bloody deranged left: A woman resists Capitol security attempts to remove her from the Kavanaugh committee hearing even as she apparently menstruates all over her clothing and chair.
As cameras cut away and committee members struggled to restore order to the Senate Judiciary Committee chamber, Americans were left in the dark as to the full disgusting detail of last week’s militant leftist protests that disrupted confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh...
The incident is a continuation of an apparent feminist obsession with their own menstrual blood, with multiple feminist demonstrations featuring hordes of women smeared with their own excretions and multiple feminist artists mocking Trump with portraiture and caricature created by finger-painting in their own menstrual blood."

Show me anything similar on the right.

 

[Votto]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
.

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
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So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

 

[Mac1958]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
.

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
.

So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

I've never claimed to be a centrist, and I've gone so far as to include that point in the second line of my sig.

Moderation seems to be a good idea in most parts of life, yet not in politics any more. It's the ability for a person to accurately understand and appreciate other points of view and the willingness of that person to collaborate with others to find and create common ground for long-term solutions. Wingers can only create short-term solutions because they only include strategies from their end of the spectrum, and the pendulum keeps swinging.

I'm an independent, meaning my opinions don't obediently, transparently, and consistently fall in lockstep with those of a partisan ideology.

What I would very much like to see is wingers on both ends of the spectrum culturally marginalized so that those who have the willingness and capacity for collaboration and innovation can get on with the task of improving my country.
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[Votto]

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
.

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
.

So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

I've never claimed to be a centrist, and I've gone so far as to include that point in the second line of my sig.

Moderation seems to be a good idea in most parts of life, yet not in politics any more. It's the ability for a person to accurately understand and appreciate other points of view and the willingness of that person to collaborate with others to find and create common ground for long-term solutions. Wingers can only create short-term solutions because they only include strategies from their end of the spectrum, and the pendulum keeps swinging.

What I would very much like to see is wingers on both ends of the spectrum culturally marginalized so that those who have the willingness and capacity for collaboration and innovation can get on with the task of improving my country.
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But in the midst of extremism, moderation seems the most extremist of all.

As for improving the country, look into the Article V movement. It is a movement to limit the power of the Federal government.

But if you enjoy seeing corruption flourish at the top, keep supporting Progressives who have channeled all power to the Federal government, specifically the Executive Branch.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm thinking that one of the many behaviors shared by both silly ends of our political spectrum is this proclivity for goofy extrapolations and shallow assumptions.
.

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
.

So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

I've never claimed to be a centrist, and I've gone so far as to include that point in the second line of my sig.

Moderation seems to be a good idea in most parts of life, yet not in politics any more. It's the ability for a person to accurately understand and appreciate other points of view and the willingness of that person to collaborate with others to find and create common ground for long-term solutions. Wingers can only create short-term solutions because they only include strategies from their end of the spectrum, and the pendulum keeps swinging.

What I would very much like to see is wingers on both ends of the spectrum culturally marginalized so that those who have the willingness and capacity for collaboration and innovation can get on with the task of improving my country.
.

But in the midst of extremism, moderation seems the most extremist of all.

That may actually be true, now that wingers have the floor.
.

 

[Nosmo King]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.

Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.

That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.
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I support accountability for a huckster who has never been held accountable for his abuses of power.

 

[Votto]

I think what the media and academia wants us to believe is that there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum and to say "centered"

Well, where is the "center":today? Open borders, abortion on demand in any circumstance, now including viable infants, trillion dollar deficits every year with a $25 trillion dollar debt with demands of more free stuff, never ending wars abroad, and a never ending expanding government seemed to be the political norm.

Is this you?

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
.

So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

I've never claimed to be a centrist, and I've gone so far as to include that point in the second line of my sig.

Moderation seems to be a good idea in most parts of life, yet not in politics any more. It's the ability for a person to accurately understand and appreciate other points of view and the willingness of that person to collaborate with others to find and create common ground for long-term solutions. Wingers can only create short-term solutions because they only include strategies from their end of the spectrum, and the pendulum keeps swinging.

What I would very much like to see is wingers on both ends of the spectrum culturally marginalized so that those who have the willingness and capacity for collaboration and innovation can get on with the task of improving my country.
.

But in the midst of extremism, moderation seems the most extremist of all.

That may actually be true, now that wingers have the floor.
.

The Swamp has groupies on both sides of the isle that think that the solution to all their problem's is to get their "R" or "D" in the Oval office.

Why even talk to such people?

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.
Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.
That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.

It's really hard to know who believes what in all the lying on the Left.
For example, which do they believe more, Trump is Hitler or that Trump should take all our guns?
Is carbon emissions really destroying the planet or should we all ban anti-carbon emitting nuclear power like the Dims want to do?
Sometimes I think Leftists even get confused.

It does get silly.

And of course, the Right does the same thing, equating the Left with Nazis, claiming that Obama is Kenyan, that Dems are for open borders, etc., etc.......

It goes on and on.

And that's why partisans have zero credibility, none. Nothing they say can be taken as fact out of hand. That's their own fault.
.

If a democrat tells you democrats aren't for open borders they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face.

Democrats say they respect no borders

Democrats say they want to take the walls we have now down.

Democrats say Americans should pay for the healthcare and welfare of foreign nationals that come and go unchecked and unregulated.

Democrats illegal immigration platform...

Sneak into America
Obtain services like healthcare and welfare paid for by Americans
Vote for anti American globalist democrats who aid and abet illegal immigrants
Victimize Americans
Get deported from America
REPEAT...

believing democrats don't want open borders is like believing democrats don't want to ban guns. Most democrats are just useful idiots that go along with whatever the DNC/media tells them to go along with.

 

[Votto]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.

Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.

That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.
.

I support accountability for a huckster who has never been held accountable for his abuses of power.

The only way to get accountability is through the Article V movement. States need to rise up and reclaim their stolen powers.

 

[Votto]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.
Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.
That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.

It's really hard to know who believes what in all the lying on the Left.
For example, which do they believe more, Trump is Hitler or that Trump should take all our guns?
Is carbon emissions really destroying the planet or should we all ban anti-carbon emitting nuclear power like the Dims want to do?
Sometimes I think Leftists even get confused.

It does get silly.

And of course, the Right does the same thing, equating the Left with Nazis, claiming that Obama is Kenyan, that Dems are for open borders, etc., etc.......

It goes on and on.

And that's why partisans have zero credibility, none. Nothing they say can be taken as fact out of hand. That's their own fault.
.

If a democrat tells you democrats aren't for open borders they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face.

Democrats say they respect no borders

Democrats say they want to take the walls we have now down.

Democrats say Americans should pay for the healthcare and welfare of foreign nationals that come and go unchecked and unregulated.

Democrats illegal immigration platform...

Sneak into America
Obtain services like healthcare and welfare paid for by Americans
Vote for anti American globalist democrats who aid and abet illegal immigrants
Victimize Americans
Get deported from America
REPEAT...

believing democrats don't want open borders is like believing democrats don't want to ban guns. Most democrats are just useful idiots that go along with whatever the DNC/media tells them to go along with.

And Republicans say they are against open borders, but did nothing while they occupied all the branches of government.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.
Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.
That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.

It's really hard to know who believes what in all the lying on the Left.
For example, which do they believe more, Trump is Hitler or that Trump should take all our guns?
Is carbon emissions really destroying the planet or should we all ban anti-carbon emitting nuclear power like the Dims want to do?
Sometimes I think Leftists even get confused.

It does get silly.

And of course, the Right does the same thing, equating the Left with Nazis, claiming that Obama is Kenyan, that Dems are for open borders, etc., etc.......

It goes on and on.

And that's why partisans have zero credibility, none. Nothing they say can be taken as fact out of hand. That's their own fault.
.

If a democrat tells you democrats aren't for open borders they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face.

Democrats say they respect no borders

Democrats say they want to take the walls we have now down.

Democrats say Americans should pay for the healthcare and welfare of foreign nationals that come and go unchecked and unregulated.

Democrats illegal immigration platform...

Sneak into America
Obtain services like healthcare and welfare paid for by Americans
Vote for anti American globalist democrats who aid and abet illegal immigrants
Victimize Americans
Get deported from America
REPEAT...

believing democrats don't want open borders is like believing democrats don't want to ban guns. Most democrats are just useful idiots that go along with whatever the DNC/media tells them to go along with.

And Republicans say they are against open borders, but did nothing while they occupied all the branches of government.

We are the ones trying to do something.

Watching Democrats deny Democrats want open borders is funny. It shows how clueless they really are.

 

[Mac1958]

Nope. But that, of course, is your definition and not mine.
.

So being a centrist, what is your definition of moderation?

What would you like to see happen?

I've never claimed to be a centrist, and I've gone so far as to include that point in the second line of my sig.

Moderation seems to be a good idea in most parts of life, yet not in politics any more. It's the ability for a person to accurately understand and appreciate other points of view and the willingness of that person to collaborate with others to find and create common ground for long-term solutions. Wingers can only create short-term solutions because they only include strategies from their end of the spectrum, and the pendulum keeps swinging.

What I would very much like to see is wingers on both ends of the spectrum culturally marginalized so that those who have the willingness and capacity for collaboration and innovation can get on with the task of improving my country.
.

But in the midst of extremism, moderation seems the most extremist of all.

That may actually be true, now that wingers have the floor.
.

The Swamp has groupies on both sides of the isle that think that the solution to all their problem's is to get their "R" or "D" in the Oval office.

Why even talk to such people?

Well, we have to communicate to understand, but there are many who won't be any part of creating answers.
.

 

[Votto]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.
Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.
That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.

It's really hard to know who believes what in all the lying on the Left.
For example, which do they believe more, Trump is Hitler or that Trump should take all our guns?
Is carbon emissions really destroying the planet or should we all ban anti-carbon emitting nuclear power like the Dims want to do?
Sometimes I think Leftists even get confused.

It does get silly.

And of course, the Right does the same thing, equating the Left with Nazis, claiming that Obama is Kenyan, that Dems are for open borders, etc., etc.......

It goes on and on.

And that's why partisans have zero credibility, none. Nothing they say can be taken as fact out of hand. That's their own fault.
.

If a democrat tells you democrats aren't for open borders they are either totally ignorant or lying to your face.

Democrats say they respect no borders

Democrats say they want to take the walls we have now down.

Democrats say Americans should pay for the healthcare and welfare of foreign nationals that come and go unchecked and unregulated.

Democrats illegal immigration platform...

Sneak into America
Obtain services like healthcare and welfare paid for by Americans
Vote for anti American globalist democrats who aid and abet illegal immigrants
Victimize Americans
Get deported from America
REPEAT...

believing democrats don't want open borders is like believing democrats don't want to ban guns. Most democrats are just useful idiots that go along with whatever the DNC/media tells them to go along with.

And Republicans say they are against open borders, but did nothing while they occupied all the branches of government.

We are the ones trying to do something.

Watching Democrats deny Democrats want open borders is funny. It shows how clueless they really are.

Or perhaps conservatives have no place in the federal government where they refuse to do the one thing that the Constitution explicitly commands them, and that is to provide a national security around our borders. Instead, they create responsibilities like telling you how your children will be educated or what doctor you will see or what kind of toilet you will flush, etc.

At the end of the day when Trump leaves, what will you have? Abortion will be as strong as ever, the debt will have been ballooned like any other democrat, and all of his Executive Orders will be overturned with the stroke of a pen.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Votto, the Dems will not try to impeach President Trump before the election.
What they are going to do is say that if Trump is reelected that they will impeach him as a propaganda tool to suppress GOP Voter turn-out.

 

[Seawytch]

Being an embarrassing buffoon is not an impeachable offense. Trump is a symptom of a bigger problem.

Dems scream IMPEACHMENT if they think it will please their base and their donors for their next election.

That's all politicians care about now, because the system is built that way. And we don't seem to mind.
.

Obstruction of justice is an impeachable offense. The Mueller report detailed multiple instances of obstruction...and that was violations ago. (The below list of transgressions was two or three weeks worth of transgressions ago)

Because this week alone, the president has asked government workers to break the law to fulfill his requests, and noted that he will pardon them if they get in trouble; suggested hosting the next G-7 summit at his property (so that he can profit); and diverted funds from FEMA relief to his border fever dream. He’s also denying lifesaving medical care to immigrant children he will deport and changing citizenship rules for the children of military families born abroad. On the 25th Amendment front (meaning the “is he mentally unfit for office” front), the president has lied about his wife’s relationship with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, garbled an answer about climate change in ways that would terrify anyone in search of a topic sentence, attacked Fox News for disloyalty, blamed Puerto Rico in advance of a hurricane for being in the path of a hurricane, and generally conducted himself in ways that bespeak grievously low functioning. This all comes on the heels of a week in which he approvingly quoted someone describing him as the second coming (a performance that would have sent most of us to the nearest psych ward), called his own economic adviser the enemy of the state, “ordered” American companies to stop investing in China, and got in a fight with Denmark over a real estate deal gone south in Greenland.
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And what were other presidents impeached for?

Nixon

Article I: Obstruction of justice: in Nixon’s case, included efforts to delay, cover up, or conceal evidence relating to the Watergate break-ins by making false and misleading statements, withholding information, encouraging witnesses to give false or misleading statements, attempting to interfere with the FBI and other investigators, leaking information about the investigation to help the accused, and insinuating that people who refused to testify against him or who gave false testimony would gain favors.

Article II: Abuses of presidential power: misusing the FBI, Secret Service, and other government employees by allowing their information to be used for purposes other than national security or the enforcement of laws; using campaign contributions and the CIA in an attempt to sway the process; misusing executive power by interfering with agencies within the executive branch.

Article III: Defiance of subpoenas: involved Nixon’s willful disregard of subpoenas of, and failure to produce, papers and information for the House Judiciary Committee.

So, check, check, check.

Clinton

Article III: Obstruction of justice: determined that Clinton had prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, and that he had engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in schemes designed to delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a federal proceeding.

Again, check.

Andrew Jackson

Article X: “did attempt to bring into disgrace, ridicule, hatred, contempt and reproach, the Congress of the United States, and the several branches thereof, to impair and destroy the regard and respect of all the good people of the United States for the Congress and the legislative power thereof, which all officers of the government ought inviolably to preserve and maintain, and to excite the odium and resentment of all good people of the United States against Congress and the laws by it duly and constitutionally enacted; and in pursuance of his said design and intent, openly and publicly and before divers assemblages of citizens of the United States, convened in divers parts thereof, to meet and receive said Andrew Johnson as the Chief Magistrate of the United States, did, on the eighteenth day of August, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, and on divers other days and times, as well before as afterwards, make and declare, with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues, and therein utter loud threats and bitter menaces, as well against Congress as the laws of the United States duly enacted thereby.” This is then followed by lengthy accounts of what could be polemical Trump rally speeches (and also those not used at his rallies).
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From Lawrence Tribe:

The case for impeaching and removing Trump to protect our republic from the irreversible injury likely to be inflicted by his ongoing “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is now so compelling that only the delusional—or those utterly ignorant of our Constitution’s sole mechanism for defending the country from a lawless tyrant—could fail to agree. The only real question is whether attempting to remove Trump by impeachment is so certain to fail, and to backfire by increasing the odds of his remaining in office for a second term, that the effort would be self-defeating. But that excuse for not doing what’s obviously right as a constitutional matter is no longer tenable even if it might once have been: An impeached Trump who escapes conviction in the Senate after the evidence is laid out in public House hearings will be weaker in 2020 than a Trump who can brag that not even a Democratically controlled House could bring itself to impeach him. And GOP Senators who give him a pass will be easier to defeat than ones who’re spared any need to be counted.

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