Why do Americans feel like taxes are somehow the government robbing them of money?

[ClosedCaption]

Government should have a 100% efficiency rating like other business' or companies that has not existed ever. And once they have 100% efficiency they will stop saying its robbery.

Also pigs have to take flight and find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow

The difference is that private businesses don't force you to give them your money at gunpoint.

Good point, So when the Government is 100% efficient and asks for Taxes nicely then and ONLY THEN will republicans stop complaining about taxes being robbery.

Is the picture getting clearer now?

I never said anything about 100% efficient but we should now every last thing our tax money is spent on.

Yeah I know, thats why I didnt say you did.

When the fucking government collects for example 100 billion in taxes a year that are supposed to be earmarked for roads and then cries that the highway trust fund has no money then we should have an accounting to the penny of where all that money went.

And if anyone in the private sector handled money like the idiots in the fucking government they would either be out of a job or in jail

So what percentage would you say is acceptable efficiency and how would this volunteer tax plan be implemented and enforced?

I never said all taxes were theft I said unfairly applied taxes are theft. Especially the income tax and the death tax

I know you didnt say that, thats why I didnt say you did.

Is my question above fair?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The difference is that private businesses don't force you to give them your money at gunpoint.

Good point, So when the Government is 100% efficient and asks for Taxes nicely then and ONLY THEN will republicans stop complaining about taxes being robbery.

Is the picture getting clearer now?

I never said anything about 100% efficient but we should now every last thing our tax money is spent on.

Yeah I know, thats why I didnt say you did.

When the fucking government collects for example 100 billion in taxes a year that are supposed to be earmarked for roads and then cries that the highway trust fund has no money then we should have an accounting to the penny of where all that money went.

And if anyone in the private sector handled money like the idiots in the fucking government they would either be out of a job or in jail

So what percentage would you say is acceptable efficiency and how would this volunteer tax plan be implemented and enforced?

I never said all taxes were theft I said unfairly applied taxes are theft. Especially the income tax and the death tax

I know you didnt say that, thats why I didnt say you did.

Is my question above fair?

In all honesty the government should be able to show us where 100% of our money was spent to the penny.
All the government does is take our money and spend it since it produces nothing the concept of efficiency is arbitrary.

 

[danielpalos]

If forty percent don't pay income taxes due to a lack of wealth; why not simply ask the wealthiest to make up any shortfalls?

Or, is asking for better public policies too much to ask alleged conservatives.

I will try to type slowly so you can understand it.

Most of us are okay with a moderately progressive tax system. If that sentence is difficult for you to understand because you've been brainwashed, just read it over and over again. It might just sink in.

Our problem isn't that we don't tax the rich enough, it's because we spend too much on stupid shit....like $914,000 the NEA spent on studying "romance".

Then why blame the least wealthy for not paying taxes under our form of Capitalism. That was what I was responding to. Why the non sequitur; are you on the Right?

A drop in the bucket when compared to our socialized wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, that wealthy Capitalists can invest in and still make money on unearned income and at a lower tax rate than that of the least wealthy who may work by the "sweat of their brow".

I don't blame the least wealthy for not paying taxes, nor do I blame the wealthy for using every legal method there is to avoid paying taxes I blame the politicians for setting up a system where so few pay income tax. This is the same system that allows all of the tax breaks & such that the "wealthy" use to avoid the exorbitant tax rates imposed on them.

Our federal government is way to bloated and expensive. I mean, now the FEDERAL government will be tracking the racial make-up of every neighborhood in the country so that they can impose punitive measures on local governments and businesses for not being diverse enough. (Attention America s Suburbs You Have Just Been Annexed National Review Online I doubt anyone can tell you how much this program costs the taxpayer, how many low-, mid-, and upper-level bureaucrats will be hired to run this program and, of course, the minions of lawyers needed to sue all of the local governments and businesses.

And yet nobody steps back and asks where the federal government gets the authority to do such things.

READ THE CONSTITUTION. It was supposed to limit the power of the federal government and form a republic of states. The republic is dead, replaced by the bureaucratical behemoth of a federal government.

We have a Commerce Clause that the Right loves to appeal to ignorance of, merely so the least wealthy can Only receive the least benefit under our form of Capitalism.

Really? please elaborate

Only warfare-States require Taxes on the Incomes of Individuals, not welfare-States with a Commerce Clause.

 

[Stephanie]

Good point, So when the Government is 100% efficient and asks for Taxes nicely then and ONLY THEN will republicans stop complaining about taxes being robbery.

Is the picture getting clearer now?

I never said anything about 100% efficient but we should now every last thing our tax money is spent on.

Yeah I know, thats why I didnt say you did.

When the fucking government collects for example 100 billion in taxes a year that are supposed to be earmarked for roads and then cries that the highway trust fund has no money then we should have an accounting to the penny of where all that money went.

And if anyone in the private sector handled money like the idiots in the fucking government they would either be out of a job or in jail

So what percentage would you say is acceptable efficiency and how would this volunteer tax plan be implemented and enforced?

I never said all taxes were theft I said unfairly applied taxes are theft. Especially the income tax and the death tax

I know you didnt say that, thats why I didnt say you did.

Is my question above fair?

In all honesty the government should be able to show us where 100% of our money was spent to the penny.
All the government does is take our money and spend it since it produces nothing the concept of efficiency is arbitrary.

Yeah, that's now a joke. They'll look at us as if how DARE we ask of them what they do with OUR MONIES. Just like that almost a Trillion dollars OBama stole from us and called it a Stimulus. We have NO IDEA where all that money went

 

[danielpalos]

Define "fair share".

For almost 50%, their "fair share" is NOTHING!!!!

Are you trying to say the poor pay no taxes? That is an old talking point, and has been disproven many times. Are the poor exempt from taxes on food, clothing, gas, or anything else they buy? No. Your statement is and has ben a lie since the first time it was told.

Most poor pay no income taxes and get welfare through the tax code in the from of unearned income tax credits. Prove that statement wrong.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Don't reply to my posts, I won't reply to your gibberish.

Nothing but fallacy; how lazy of you.

 

[danielpalos]

You mean like socialized bailouts for the wealthiest who can enjoy it the most.

"Is it right to force the entire country to pay for this?" should be asked of EVERY government expenditure.

Like our alleged wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror?

You certainly have to ask the question, "are they working?". If they are not, perhaps there's a better way that would actually work without society putting a stamp of approval on what's being fought.

We have a Commerce Clause that the Right loves to appeal to ignorance of, merely so the least wealthy can Only receive the least benefit under our form of Capitalism with any social programs.

And you have to ask if we can afford it. The fact that we will owe $20 trillion after Obama leaves office means we can really afford very little new anything.

I am not asking if we can afford it; I am asking the Right to do the Only thing they know how to do in modern times; nothing but repeal, of those useless public policies such as our wars crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Commerce Clause that the Right loves to appeal to ignorance of, merely so the least wealthy can Only receive the least benefit under our form of Capitalism with any social programs.

Again, read the constitution. The Commerce Clause was written to LIMIT the power of the federal government. Unfortunately, with Wickard v. Filburn ruling, there is NOTHING that the federal government cannot regulate now.

Nothing.

Thank you for making my Case regarding our extra-Constitutional drug war; drugs should be well regulated.

 

[danielpalos]

Define "fair share".

For almost 50%, their "fair share" is NOTHING!!!!

Are you trying to say the poor pay no taxes? That is an old talking point, and has been disproven many times.....

No, yours is the hackneyed old talking point that remains as disingenuous now as ever. Some dimwitted and uncreative lefty always tries to drag that old saw out whenever someone is clearly talking about income tax.

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is also usually considered a fallacy.

 

[BluesLegend]

Government taxes and fees the crap out of the poor and middle class, that tells you all you need to know about government.

 

[Unkotare]

For almost 50%, their "fair share" is NOTHING!!!!

Are you trying to say the poor pay no taxes? That is an old talking point, and has been disproven many times.....

No, yours is the hackneyed old talking point that remains as disingenuous now as ever. Some dimwitted and uncreative lefty always tries to drag that old saw out whenever someone is clearly talking about income tax.

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

 

[Stephanie]

Government taxes and fees the crap out of the poor and middle class, that tells you all you need to know about government.

Yep, the rich can afford them. The poor doesn't pay any. so who does that leave?
but you can't get through these left/lib/dem/sheep low information voters heads

 

[danielpalos]

Are you trying to say the poor pay no taxes? That is an old talking point, and has been disproven many times.....

No, yours is the hackneyed old talking point that remains as disingenuous now as ever. Some dimwitted and uncreative lefty always tries to drag that old saw out whenever someone is clearly talking about income tax.

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

You should stop trying to have nothing but diversion, which is also usually considered a fallacy.

Is it Any wonder why some on the left believe the Right is just full of fallacy.

 

[BluesLegend]

No, yours is the hackneyed old talking point that remains as disingenuous now as ever. Some dimwitted and uncreative lefty always tries to drag that old saw out whenever someone is clearly talking about income tax.

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

You should stop trying to have nothing but diversion, which is also usually considered a fallacy.

Is it Any wonder why some on the left believe the Right is just full of fallacy.

What is it with you and the word "fallacy"? Do you see the irony of using that word in your posts?

 

[danielpalos]

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

You should stop trying to have nothing but diversion, which is also usually considered a fallacy.

Is it Any wonder why some on the left believe the Right is just full of fallacy.

What is it with you and the word "fallacy"? Do you see the irony of using that word in your posts?

I am glad you asked:

I agree to take the social and moral high road and stop "harassing the Right" by asking them to stop resorting to fallacy for their alleged, "gospel Truth" Causes; if they agree to stop taking the low road by blaming only or mostly the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism for public policies they have even less control over than the wealthier.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Good point, So when the Government is 100% efficient and asks for Taxes nicely then and ONLY THEN will republicans stop complaining about taxes being robbery.

Is the picture getting clearer now?

I never said anything about 100% efficient but we should now every last thing our tax money is spent on.

Yeah I know, thats why I didnt say you did.

When the fucking government collects for example 100 billion in taxes a year that are supposed to be earmarked for roads and then cries that the highway trust fund has no money then we should have an accounting to the penny of where all that money went.

And if anyone in the private sector handled money like the idiots in the fucking government they would either be out of a job or in jail

So what percentage would you say is acceptable efficiency and how would this volunteer tax plan be implemented and enforced?

I never said all taxes were theft I said unfairly applied taxes are theft. Especially the income tax and the death tax

I know you didnt say that, thats why I didnt say you did.

Is my question above fair?

In all honesty the government should be able to show us where 100% of our money was spent to the penny.
All the government does is take our money and spend it since it produces nothing the concept of efficiency is arbitrary.

Yeah, but I dont get this concept of volunteer taxation. How would that be enforced? That sounds like something that will cripple the system.

 

[Stephanie]

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

You should stop trying to have nothing but diversion, which is also usually considered a fallacy.

Is it Any wonder why some on the left believe the Right is just full of fallacy.

What is it with you and the word "fallacy"? Do you see the irony of using that word in your posts?

a new word they learned in romper room last week. They still look like an raving freaking idiot no matter.

 

[2aguy]

I just can‘t seem to understand why so many Americans are extremely sensitive when it comes to taxes, and often oppose strongly of a progressive tax system.
At least personally, I think of taxes as giving back to the society and community, and I enjoy many of the governments services every day.
Also. I don‘t understand the objection towards a progressive taxation system

When you are taxed exessively you are giving money to people who are at the very least corrupt and greedy...why on earth is it better for you to give the money you earn to politicians to spend. They waste the money, steal it, spend it on themselves and their friends.......and yet you think it is better that they spend it than you.

A progressive tax system is unfair....you work harder, smarter, better, more efficiently....and they take more of what you earn......you don't do as well, you don't try as hard, you don't create, you work less efficiently, and they tax you less...

How does that make any sense. the tax rate should be the same...that is the fairest method to raise taxes....

 

[HenryBHough]

There ARE those who like being mugged.

Isn't that just part of being a Democrat?

 

[Unkotare]

No, yours is the hackneyed old talking point that remains as disingenuous now as ever. Some dimwitted and uncreative lefty always tries to drag that old saw out whenever someone is clearly talking about income tax.

It is because righties have only fallacy to work with.

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

ah, so being a jerk is your gig. now we get it. that's about the FIFTH time you've said that since you and your jerk buddies has OVER taken this thread with your all's continuous spew in post after post. go outside and play or something. You're making a fool out of yourself

Is the right too socially lazy to provide a thoughtful response instead of Only having fallacies (of ad hominem) to work with?

Income taxes are not the Only taxes; it is just special pleading on the part of the socially less responsible Right.

Special pleading is usually considered a fallacy.

You should stop trying to use words you don't understand.

You should stop trying to have nothing but diversion, which is also usually considered a fallacy.

Is it Any wonder why some on the left believe the Right is just full of fallacy.

Seriously kid, look the word up at least once if you're going to keep repeating it.

 

[hadit]

"Is it right to force the entire country to pay for this?" should be asked of EVERY government expenditure.

Like our alleged wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror?

You certainly have to ask the question, "are they working?". If they are not, perhaps there's a better way that would actually work without society putting a stamp of approval on what's being fought.

We have a Commerce Clause that the Right loves to appeal to ignorance of, merely so the least wealthy can Only receive the least benefit under our form of Capitalism with any social programs.

And you have to ask if we can afford it. The fact that we will owe $20 trillion after Obama leaves office means we can really afford very little new anything.

I am not asking if we can afford it; I am asking the Right to do the Only thing they know how to do in modern times; nothing but repeal, of those useless public policies such as our wars crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.

Are you saying the Right has to be the adult in the room, because the left simply can't control itself?