Why do so many people from every political angle talk like we're on the path to destruction?

[d0gbreath]

People crave excitement. Even more so after 2020.

 

[Rocko]

Technological and medical advances have been taking place for some time now. How come that hasn’t translated to spiritual, emotional and philosophical growth thus far?

It has. Do you really think we're no better than the people of the stone age when it comes to spirituality and philosophy?

What about emotionally? Why are suicide rates higher than they’ve ever been if technology has such a positive impact in regards our emotional well being?

 

[Anomalism]

hes a 19 yr old snot nosed kid that thinks he knows better than people that have been around the block a few times,,,

he should come back after hes had to provide for himself and others,,

You whine about my age in every thread we're in together. It's nothing but a deflection to hide your lack of ability to actually debate the topic.

 

[progressive hunter]

hes a 19 yr old snot nosed kid that thinks he knows better than people that have been around the block a few times,,,

he should come back after hes had to provide for himself and others,,

You whine about my age in every thread we're in together. It's nothing but a deflection to hide your lack of ability to actually debate the topic.

of course youre going to claim its a deflection,, but trust me no college class will ever beat real world lessons,,,

 

[Anomalism]

What about emotionally? Why are suicide rates higher than they’ve ever been if technology has such a positive impact in regards our emotional well being?

That's a complicated question. I think it's because we're in a transition period and change hurts. Things are complicated and chaotic right now. We have some things to work through, and I believe we will.

 

[Anomalism]

of course youre going to claim its a deflection,, but trust me no college class will ever beat real world lessons,,,

I cannot be older than I am right now. You'll just have to deal with me as I am. Harassing me about my age over and over again just becomes redundant. I get it. If you've got that much of a problem with it you should ignore me. If you don't want to do that then why not engage in debate rather than just complaining about my age? This constant bitching about my age is ridiculous and pointless.

 

[progressive hunter]

of course youre going to claim its a deflection,, but trust me no college class will ever beat real world lessons,,,

I cannot be older than I am right now. You'll just have to deal with me as I am. Harassing me about my age over and over again just becomes redundant. I get it. If you've got that much of a problem with it you should ignore me. Otherwise why not just engage in debate rather than just complaining about my age?

I was pointing out a fact not harassing you for you age,,, dont be so sensitive,,

 

[Anomalism]

I was pointing out a fact not harassing you for you age,,, dont be so sensitive,,

You don't even debate with me. You say the same shit over and over again. Please get over it or just ignore me already. It's an extremely tired and redundant observation.

 

[progressive hunter]

I was pointing out a fact not harassing you for you age,,, dont be so sensitive,,

You don't even debate with me. You say the same shit over and over again. Please get over it or just ignore me already. It's an extremely tired and redundant observation.

I've been debating you all morning,, youre just mad cause youre losing

 

[22lcidw]

of course youre going to claim its a deflection,, but trust me no college class will ever beat real world lessons,,,

I cannot be older than I am right now. You'll just have to deal with me as I am. Harassing me about my age over and over again just becomes redundant. I get it. If you've got that much of a problem with it you should ignore me. Otherwise why not just engage in debate rather than just complaining about my age?

The history of the world is about conquering. We have two different ways going right now. The United States, China and Russia vying for the ultimate prize and the people involved in the globalist agenda. Many of our politicians are in that. Being younger you have not experienced many things yet. You will. The train went off the rails in our nation and it is going to be difficult to put it back on. We have lost rights in the last half century or so even though social justice rights have expanded. Socialism will not work here. To many different groups and pettiness and jealousies vying for the goodies.

 

[Anomalism]

I've been debating you all morning,, youre just mad cause youre losing

This is a perspective disagreement. It's not really about winning or losing the debate. Neither of us actually has the capability to prove the other wrong and "win" the debate. You're arrogant.

That being said my impatience has nothing to do with anything being discussed about the topic. You desperately barrage me with that same deflective nonsense every time you engage with me. You're just trying to undermine me with an ad hominem approach. It's boring. If that's all you're going to do you should stop wasting your time.

 

[westwall]

I'd recommend your read Kim Stanley Robinson and Neil Stephanson--but I doubt you could get through them..they postulate a world you literally can't imagine yourself living in.

I love Neal Stephenson --- which novel are you referring to?

I think Fall, Dodge in Hell..would be applicable here, I think----with a taste of Snowcrash.

Figures. You're a cyberpunk lout.

LOL! Guilty sir..cut my teeth on John Brunner and Bill Gibson.

in Fall..Stephanson postulates an almost completely separated Red and Blue America--with alternative data feeds, as it were. He takes the social media conundrum to its ultimate conclusion..and has most of humanity with tailored data feeds...good stuff. The baroque is great...historical sci-fi...great angle. if you read enough of Neil's books..you find most of them are connected.

7Eves is worth the read as well...profound genetic insights..and the scope is huge.

Well, maybe I'll take another look at Fall. Very interesting what you said there. I've read Snowcrash at least five times; we named a sheep Da5id from that book. I haven't tried Seveneves yet; thanks for the recommendation. I have the big sample they sent out.

I've had the advantage of hearing Neil speak about Fall..Hell specifically is all allegory--as the creation archetypes in Dodge's unconscious make themselves manifest.

I like the parts of the book that are out of Hell..as they are topical.

Have you ever read Stephen R. Donaldson? His "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" are quite good.

I did..years ago..his concept of the anti-hero was refreshing!

Not so big into fantasy though...Sci-fi guy.

How about Kim S. Robinson?

No, haven't read anything by him.

 

[westwall]

I have read quite a few dystopian novels. They all have one major shortcoming though, and that is this belief that there will be restraint when the end comes. There won't be. The final fall of civilization is going to be catastrophic. And it will last centuries, if not longer.

Sure. That's certainly what happened last time civilization fell. It was catastrophic and it did take centuries. That's immigrant invasion for you --- those German types, then. Here it will be Latin Americans and Chinese, I suppose. Muslims and Africans in the European Union.

I also read a lot of dystopians but these are often preppers or post-apocs and they don't hold back ---- they kill off all the cities in a blaze of hysteria and mob violence (even, in the case of S.J. Stirling, cannibalism) and get on , with the new system the rugged individualists build. I find this highly plausible, the violence.

The violence yes..but the ending more like A Canticle for Leibowitz. Most preppers seek a return to tribalism for real--usually with them in charge..king of the resources..not realizing that their stockpiles make them targets.

I read that when it first came out, and it is excellent. I hear there is a sequel. Have you read that?

 

[westwall]

I'd recommend your read Kim Stanley Robinson and Neil Stephanson--but I doubt you could get through them..they postulate a world you literally can't imagine yourself living in.

I love Neal Stephenson --- which novel are you referring to?

I think Fall, Dodge in Hell..would be applicable here, I think----with a taste of Snowcrash.

Figures. You're a cyberpunk lout.

LOL! Guilty sir..cut my teeth on John Brunner and Bill Gibson.

in Fall..Stephanson postulates an almost completely separated Red and Blue America--with alternative data feeds, as it were. He takes the social media conundrum to its ultimate conclusion..and has most of humanity with tailored data feeds...good stuff. The baroque is great...historical sci-fi...great angle. if you read enough of Neil's books..you find most of them are connected.

7Eves is worth the read as well...profound genetic insights..and the scope is huge.

Well, maybe I'll take another look at Fall. Very interesting what you said there. I've read Snowcrash at least five times; we named a sheep Da5id from that book. I haven't tried Seveneves yet; thanks for the recommendation. I have the big sample they sent out.

I've had the advantage of hearing Neil speak about Fall..Hell specifically is all allegory--as the creation archetypes in Dodge's unconscious make themselves manifest.

I like the parts of the book that are out of Hell..as they are topical.

Have you ever read Stephen R. Donaldson? His "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" are quite good.

I did..years ago..his concept of the anti-hero was refreshing!

Not so big into fantasy though...Sci-fi guy.

How about Kim S. Robinson?

I couldn't work with the Donaldson anti-hero; that's not a woman's book, nor are the Cornwall ones. I've tried. I can see men would like them.

I have often seem the name Kim Robinson, but never read that author. A recommendation?

Yeah..an anti-hero that rapes..is a bit much to identify with.

Kim..Depends on what you like...his Mars trilogy is consistently mentioned in the top three all time lists of series..Red Mars, Blue Mars and Green Mars--although the tech is now old..it still is considered one of the very best terraforming books out there.

I suggest this one:

New York 2140 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Robinson is controversial..you'll have to make up your own mind. Check your preconceptions at the door..and you'll enjoy the hell out him. It is, after all, fiction, right?

Kim Stanley Robinson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My only problem with him is his myopic view about sustainability. If you are merely a sustainable culture, the first natural disaster that happens and you are finished.

 

[westwall]

Oh? How? I think I am being quite cogent. YOU are the one who is demonstrably arrogant and condescending. I am merely asking whether you have the intellectual capacity to carry on a philosophical discussion. That is still debatable. Now, if you had said that machines make it possible for humans to have more leisure time to pursue their individual interests, that would have been a SPECIFIC claim. But yet again, you resort to generalizations.

Generalized statements are indicative of low rhetorical capacity. Now, that can be do to innate stupidity, or ignorance. I don't know which it is with you. Yet.

Why all of the posturing? You seem insecure. Over and over again you feel the need to imply your superiority. Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

that can be do to

What do you suppose your 9th grade typing ability is due to? You should at least learn to type like a grown up if you're going to go full cringe with your posturing.

Asking simple questions to get the measure of who I am speaking with isn't posturing.

 

[Anomalism]

Asking simple questions to get the measure of who I am speaking with isn't posturing.

Ah, got it. My bad. You prattling on about my lack of intelligence or abundance of ignorance is not posturing behavior at all. Well, just for your information, your posts reek of "I am very smart, much smarter than you!" It's a bit cringe inducing, especially when you struggle to string coherent sentences together.

 

[westwall]

Technological and medical advances have been taking place for some time now. How come that hasn’t translated to spiritual, emotional and philosophical growth thus far?

It has. Do you really think we're no better than the people of the Stone Age when it comes to spirituality and philosophy?

Are we better? Electricity allows us to be productive at night in the temporal world, which then prevents people who are so inclined to contemplate their navel. Spiritualism is a singular goal. Not everyone cares about their spiritual side, most progressives don't believe in a spiritual side anyway.

So no, I think that in terms of spiritualism the modern world is especially destructive for that endeavor. Philosophy, on the other hand, yeah, the rapid exchange of ideas is certainly helpful for philosophical discussions.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I have read quite a few dystopian novels. They all have one major shortcoming though, and that is this belief that there will be restraint when the end comes. There won't be. The final fall of civilization is going to be catastrophic. And it will last centuries, if not longer.

Sure. That's certainly what happened last time civilization fell. It was catastrophic and it did take centuries. That's immigrant invasion for you --- those German types, then. Here it will be Latin Americans and Chinese, I suppose. Muslims and Africans in the European Union.

I also read a lot of dystopians but these are often preppers or post-apocs and they don't hold back ---- they kill off all the cities in a blaze of hysteria and mob violence (even, in the case of S.J. Stirling, cannibalism) and get on , with the new system the rugged individualists build. I find this highly plausible, the violence.

The violence yes..but the ending more like A Canticle for Leibowitz. Most preppers seek a return to tribalism for real--usually with them in charge..king of the resources..not realizing that their stockpiles make them targets.

I read that when it first came out, and it is excellent. I hear there is a sequel. Have you read that?

No...I did hear it sucked though.

 

[westwall]

What about emotionally? Why are suicide rates higher than they’ve ever been if technology has such a positive impact in regards our emotional well being?

That's a complicated question. I think it's because we're in a transition period and change hurts. Things are complicated and chaotic right now. We have some things to work through, and I believe we will.

You think this time is more chaotic than say the 6th century? Hmm. You need to read some history.

 

[westwall]

of course youre going to claim its a deflection,, but trust me no college class will ever beat real world lessons,,,

I cannot be older than I am right now. You'll just have to deal with me as I am. Harassing me about my age over and over again just becomes redundant. I get it. If you've got that much of a problem with it you should ignore me. Otherwise why not just engage in debate rather than just complaining about my age?

The history of the world is about conquering. We have two different ways going right now. The United States, China and Russia vying for the ultimate prize and the people involved in the globalist agenda. Many of our politicians are in that. Being younger you have not experienced many things yet. You will. The train went off the rails in our nation and it is going to be difficult to put it back on. We have lost rights in the last half century or so even though social justice rights have expanded. Socialism will not work here. To many different groups and pettiness and jealousies vying for the goodies.

China has subverted the USA. I am not too sure about what is going on with Russia. But the globalists are setting themselves up to control Europe and whatever else they can control. China is the big wrench in their plans though.