Why does the United States have the largest prison population in the world ?

[Jarlaxle]

banned for Moral reasons.

Now I see you're either retarded, or full of shit.

So full of shit it is bubbling out his ears.

 

[gipper]

Do some homework before you embarrass yourself more than you already have.

I don’t care about hemp. It’s a non-issue to me. As soon as hemp can be produced from a strain that has ZERO levels of THC and cannot be re-combined into a form thst does, I’m all for making hemp legal.

HOWEVER, while the plant still has its THC content and can be used as a psychotropic substance it needs to remain banned for Moral reasons.

We need the psychotropic effects to cope with the insanity coming from the Imperial Capital on the Potomac.

 

[Bush92]

It’s no secret that the U.S. incarcerates a shocking number of swaths of its own people, primarily the poor and people of color. With 2.3 million Americans currently being held in prisons, the country has the largest prison population in the world. But even as awareness of mass incarceration grows, two crucial questions remain at the heart of the debate on prison reform: Why does the U.S. imprison so many people, and how do we change our toxic approach? These are the issues Tony Platt, author of “Beyond These Walls: Rethinking Crime and Punishment in the United States,” and Truthdig Editor in Chief Robert Scheer discuss in the latest installment of “Scheer Intelligence.”

(snip)....There’s a tendency these days for people to say the United States proportionally incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. I don’t know if that’s true. I just don’t think we know what the real situation is in China and Russia, which are the big competitors in incarceration. I think the U.S. is in the ballpark; I think the U.S. is close. When you compare the U.S. with Canada or Australia or New Zealand, or France and England, then there’s no contest. There’s no other country that’s comparable to the United States in terms of its political economy that puts as many people away, that hires as many cops, and invests as much money in repression as this country does.

CONTINUED---https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-liberal-betrayal-of-americas-most-vulnerable/

If every American had to do 30 days to get a taste of what it's like inside, we would put an end to this mass incarceration real fast. You don't realize how bad it is until it happens to someone close to you. Out of sight- out of mind....2.3 million forgotten souls living in hell.

Because we are a nation of laws and we have idiots that won’t raise their kids right. Too many single parents that raise fucking savages on my tax dollars because they are on welfare.

 

[Anathema]

We need the psychotropic effects to cope with the insanity coming from the Imperial Capital on the Potomac.

There are far better ways to deal with those issues. Most involve blood, fire and high explosives.

 

[gipper]

We need the psychotropic effects to cope with the insanity coming from the Imperial Capital on the Potomac.

There are far better ways to deal with those issues. Most involve blood, fire and high explosives.

That's not better, but likely the only way.

 

[Anathema]

That's not better, but likely the only way.

Effectiveness determines better or worse in the real world.

 

[the other mike]

Americans live in two very different worlds.
In Chicago, it's so bad now they can't keep cops on the force--they're all quitting and retiring early. Only 25 % of murders in the city are ever solved, businesses are closing their doors left and right and it's only getting worse.

 

[gipper]

Americans live in two very different worlds.

It is appalling that this shit goes on year after year, decade after decade. The political class does little to stop it. Our massive and horribly corrupt government allows it to continue unabated.

We need a new approach.

 

[the other mike]

Americans live in two very different worlds.

It is appalling that this shit goes on year after year, decade after decade. The political class does little to stop it. Our massive and horribly corrupt government allows it to continue unabated.

We need a new approach.

If I was the governor of Illinois, I'd send in the National Guard and set up a cash and amnesty for guns program.
When an individual turns in his illegal firearm we pay him and clear his record, send him to the counselling and vocational department and so on. Call it new start or second chance or something.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

As you know, the Second Amendment is the reason that we have a far lower rate of violent crime than the countries that you idolize.

we should not have the expense of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror so the right wing can whine about taxes and try to cut social services for the Poor.

The poor?

If the little dog hadn't stopped to piddle, he would've won the race, hands down?

Few people in America are "poor." If you mean America's "poor" who works 40 hour weeks may make less than $14,000. That person still lives better than Kings and Queens 350 years ago. Plus, he gets a free education and his kid can get better tutoring than kings kids did 50 years ago on his school computer. lol

Poverty level, USA based on family size:

Simplified 2018 FPL Guidelines for the 48 Contiguous States and DC (not Alaska and Hawaii). You’ll use these guidelines for 2018 cost assistance, and taxes filed April 15, 2019


Persons in household 2018 Federal
Poverty Level threshold
100% FPL
*Medicaid eligibility is different in states that did not expand Medicaid. Federal Poverty Guidelines are different in Hawaii and Alaska.

Family Size Poverty line​

• 1 $12,060​
• 2 $16,240​
• 3 $20,420​
• 4 $24,600​
• 5 $28,780​
• 6 $32,960​
• 7 $37,140​
• 8 $41,320​

Source: What are Federal Poverty Levels Used for?

Socialism is about equality unlike capitalism. We have a Second Amendment and should not be spending so much tax money on prisons.

Daniel, I don't think the Second Amendment would protect a person who you shot as he was threatening your life with a sledgehammer if his relatives sued you with the best of good lawyers working against you and your county-approved defender. All they need to do is the same thing the Democrats did to Donald Trump--lie their asses off to procure a 2-year faux lawsuit against your administration for something you and your helpers did not do such as collude with the Russians to harm Hillary Clinton. In fact they refused to collude when tempted by the Russians, and it has been shown that there is a good possibility that Hillary's crowd procure dirt on Trump from the Russians. IOW, the House Committee found Trump did not collude, the Senate found that Trump did not collude, Mueller found no evidence of collusion, no evidence of obstruction, and no evidence of his guilt.

Yet the insane House Democrats are saying Trump obstructed, and they have zero evidence that he did, since he has always maintained he did no such thing, and they have no evidence of his guilt in colluding, which he was cleared of 3 different times, and it took the Attorney General of the United States to tell them that, and they're still banging out false witness that he must have because all of them said so, without one whit of proof.

Socialism has driven the Democrats who proffer it out of their screaming, badmouthing, freaking minds.

I agree to disagree. We have a Second Amendment which expresses what is necessary to the security of a free State. And, it is not more prisons. Muster the militia until we have no security problems.

 

[Markle]

If I was the governor of Illinois, I'd send in the National Guard and set up a cash and amnesty for guns program.
When an individual turns in his illegal firearm we pay him and clear his record, send him to the counselling and vocational department and so on. Call it new start or second chance or something.

Now that's funny! I'm sure you intended it that way or you would not have posted with such a thing.

Do you expect gang members and the criminals on the Southside of Chicago to turn in their guns? Are you serious? Do you know what happens when guns are bought by the police? Non-functioning guns are sold to the police and the cash used to buy a better gun. Guns with crimes on them are also sold to police for the same purpose.

What record do you plan on clearing?

 

[danielpalos]

only illegals don't care about the law.

 

[Brain357]

"Why does the United States have the largest prison population in the world ?"
Lets get all factual and make the LefTarded filth piss themselves....Here goes:
Brown and Black folks have freedom in the U.S.. What would our jail/prison populations look like without Brown and Black folks here?

Men look to be the problem when you look at the stats...

 

[danielpalos]

only the unorganized militia complains about gun control.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nonviolent crimes are best punished by alternate means such as paying restitution and long community service sentences.

What do you get if the guy who stole your car gets 6 months in county jail? You get nothing and when he gets out and can't get a job he'll just steal your car again.

It's circular reasoning

And it's quite easy and inexpensive to equip your car with an anti theft device. To me it's analogous to locking your doors and windows when you're not home.

Let me tell you a true story from about 25 years ago.

A middle-east family rented an old Dairy Mart and opened up their own store. I frequented the place since it's only a minute walk from my house.

One day I went there and the police were leaving. I asked the young clerk what was going on, and he said some drunk came in, took several packs of cigarettes off the counter, and left the store. He said the police told him if he comes back, give them a call and they'll kick him out.

We got to talking about the laws in our countries. He said his grandmother wanted him to send her our local news paper to see how his life in the new world was. She wrote back with great concern. She read the police section and stated that there is more theft in our little suburb in one week than there was in the entire middle-east in a year. I asked him if that was true, and he concurred.

He said where he was from, vendors sold goods at outdoor markets. They set up tables and umbrellas for customers to rest while shopping. He said if a woman got up and walked away forgetting her purse, people would cross the street to be nowhere near that table. The purse would even be there the next day.

In our country he said, if anybody got caught stealing, the police would take their sword and chop off their hand. If they got caught stealing again, off came the other hand. There is no third time he said. They tie you up in a burlap sack and toss you off a three story building. If you were still alive, they repeated the action until you were dead.

That's why there is very little theft in the middle-east, and kids are stealing police cars in New York city.

A young American vandal thought he could get away with defacing a building with graffiti. He never expected to be punished. He was caned, in public, across his naked back. He never did it again.

If it's the story I"m thinking of that took place in Singapore, it was an exchange student from the US, and he was spray painting cars.

They sentenced him to eight whacks with the cane. The newspaper at the time described how they did it. They strip you naked and chain you to some sort of device. They take a cane soaked in flax. They have a martial arts expert hit you on the ass as hard as he can.

They went on to explain the pain is so intense, many pass out before the second strike. They don't feed you for two days because it's likely you will shit yourself. Then they drag you back to your cell and it takes two or three days for the pain to totally subside. The marks from the strikes are permanent on your ass, and the only way to cover them is with plastic surgery.

The staff of the Singapore embassy should have been fed feet-first into a wood chipper for that...one person per cane stroke.

Why do you suppose they don't have a problem with people disfiguring cars in Singapore?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Now that's a great idea. Currently, over 80,000 (mostly young) Americans die from overdoses in the US a year. That's not including the ones who barely escaped death and were rescued. This costs taxpayers a lot of money. Now if we legalized recreational narcotics, perhaps we can get that death toll to 200,000, 400,000, maybe three million a year.

Now that's what I call progress.........until it's your own family member that becomes part of those statistics.

You think that everyone who doesn't do drugs now will start doing them if drugs are decriminalized?

The evidence disagrees

Want to Win the War on Drugs? Portugal Might Have the Answer

Let me ask you: do you think we had more alcohol related deaths during prohibition or after? Did we have more drunk driving accidents and deaths during or after? Did we create more alcoholics during prohibition or after?

Marijuana use in Colorado rises for adults, stays the same for kids

Marijuana-related hospital visits up for adolescents - UCHealth Today

Let me ask you this

Did we have more crime during prohibition ?

People are going to do the drugs they want to do and there will always be a black market for anything the government deems illegal.
Legalize it and it can be regulated and yes taxed. Billions of dollars annually can be saved, the courts will be freed up violent crimes related to the black market will decrease and with just a fraction of the money saved treatment can be offered for those who want it.

Anytime you make something legal that was illegal before, expect more people to participate.

Like I said, 80,000 US deaths last year from overdoses, and you want to see it reach 800,000. Sorry, I don't.

We may never be able to stop drug usage, but we can limit it as much as possible.

So...you support a return to Prohibition, then?

No I don't, why would you ask?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Now that's a great idea. Currently, over 80,000 (mostly young) Americans die from overdoses in the US a year. That's not including the ones who barely escaped death and were rescued. This costs taxpayers a lot of money. Now if we legalized recreational narcotics, perhaps we can get that death toll to 200,000, 400,000, maybe three million a year.

Now that's what I call progress.........until it's your own family member that becomes part of those statistics.

You think that everyone who doesn't do drugs now will start doing them if drugs are decriminalized?

The evidence disagrees

Want to Win the War on Drugs? Portugal Might Have the Answer

Let me ask you: do you think we had more alcohol related deaths during prohibition or after? Did we have more drunk driving accidents and deaths during or after? Did we create more alcoholics during prohibition or after?

Marijuana use in Colorado rises for adults, stays the same for kids

Marijuana-related hospital visits up for adolescents - UCHealth Today

Let me ask you this

Did we have more crime during prohibition ?

People are going to do the drugs they want to do and there will always be a black market for anything the government deems illegal.
Legalize it and it can be regulated and yes taxed. Billions of dollars annually can be saved, the courts will be freed up violent crimes related to the black market will decrease and with just a fraction of the money saved treatment can be offered for those who want it.

Anytime you make something legal that was illegal before, expect more people to participate.

Like I said, 80,000 US deaths last year from overdoses, and you want to see it reach 800,000. Sorry, I don't.

We may never be able to stop drug usage, but we can limit it as much as possible.

We can't even limit it as experience has shown. And as I said Portugal decriminalized all drugs and not only did crime rates decrease overall drug use has decreased

Let people make their own choices

I've had some pretty unfortunate experiences with drug users in my time. What they do effects many other people besides themselves. What you don't understand is people with serious problems cannot work any longer. They just sit at the kitchen table staring into space. When they need money for another fix and have no income, where do you suppose they get that money from?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nonviolent crimes are best punished by alternate means such as paying restitution and long community service sentences.

What do you get if the guy who stole your car gets 6 months in county jail? You get nothing and when he gets out and can't get a job he'll just steal your car again.

It's circular reasoning

And it's quite easy and inexpensive to equip your car with an anti theft device. To me it's analogous to locking your doors and windows when you're not home.

Let me tell you a true story from about 25 years ago.

A middle-east family rented an old Dairy Mart and opened up their own store. I frequented the place since it's only a minute walk from my house.

One day I went there and the police were leaving. I asked the young clerk what was going on, and he said some drunk came in, took several packs of cigarettes off the counter, and left the store. He said the police told him if he comes back, give them a call and they'll kick him out.

We got to talking about the laws in our countries. He said his grandmother wanted him to send her our local news paper to see how his life in the new world was. She wrote back with great concern. She read the police section and stated that there is more theft in our little suburb in one week than there was in the entire middle-east in a year. I asked him if that was true, and he concurred.

He said where he was from, vendors sold goods at outdoor markets. They set up tables and umbrellas for customers to rest while shopping. He said if a woman got up and walked away forgetting her purse, people would cross the street to be nowhere near that table. The purse would even be there the next day.

In our country he said, if anybody got caught stealing, the police would take their sword and chop off their hand. If they got caught stealing again, off came the other hand. There is no third time he said. They tie you up in a burlap sack and toss you off a three story building. If you were still alive, they repeated the action until you were dead.

That's why there is very little theft in the middle-east, and kids are stealing police cars in New York city.

And you don't think it's lust a little barbaric to chop off a person's hand for stealing cigarettes?

Yes I do. The only point I made here is that a strong enough deterrent works, and a weak deterrent doesn't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where in this thread did I ever say not to give some sort of punishment?

When you said what I responded to: this:

Justice for getting your car stolen would be getting your car back and getting the damage fixed not throwing someone in jail for more than a year.

Just giving the persons car back that you stole is not punishment.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It’s no secret that the U.S. incarcerates a shocking number of swaths of its own people, primarily the poor and people of color. With 2.3 million Americans currently being held in prisons, the country has the largest prison population in the world. But even as awareness of mass incarceration grows, two crucial questions remain at the heart of the debate on prison reform: Why does the U.S. imprison so many people, and how do we change our toxic approach? These are the issues Tony Platt, author of “Beyond These Walls: Rethinking Crime and Punishment in the United States,” and Truthdig Editor in Chief Robert Scheer discuss in the latest installment of “Scheer Intelligence.”

(snip)....There’s a tendency these days for people to say the United States proportionally incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. I don’t know if that’s true. I just don’t think we know what the real situation is in China and Russia, which are the big competitors in incarceration. I think the U.S. is in the ballpark; I think the U.S. is close. When you compare the U.S. with Canada or Australia or New Zealand, or France and England, then there’s no contest. There’s no other country that’s comparable to the United States in terms of its political economy that puts as many people away, that hires as many cops, and invests as much money in repression as this country does.

CONTINUED---https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-liberal-betrayal-of-americas-most-vulnerable/

If every American had to do 30 days to get a taste of what it's like inside, we would put an end to this mass incarceration real fast. You don't realize how bad it is until it happens to someone close to you. Out of sight- out of mind....2.3 million forgotten souls living in hell.

Okay, seriously, which one of you guys brought your brain-damaged Cousin Jethro to the message board as a practical joke?

A few points you forgot to address in your, "My heart bleeds for anyone in my talking points memo" screed:

1) Did they actually do what they're in for?

2) Why the fuck should people who haven't committed a crime and don't intend to commit a crime need to experience incarceration?

3) Why do you think the fact that being in prison is unpleasant is some sort of great, shocking mystery to people?

4) Why do you think average people would ever want criminals wandering the streets?

Pretty sure most people are INTENDING for prison to be unpleasant for criminals. It's almost like THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT, Nimrod.