Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[billyerock1991]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they have paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yea Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

You're an idiot.

Politicians are doing it now.

It will take millions to 're-settle' ILlegals and 'refugees', money they will never pay back while citizens - lie vets - are suffering.

Many / most will draw benefits being paid for by citizens....thry will never pay that back.

Those coming in are the 'new suckers' in the on-going Ponzi scheme that is Social Security.

The idea that un-vetted/improperly-vetted criminals and / or 'refugees' will come here and ever put more back into the system than they take out, will be more of a benefit than potential burden / threat is a 'pipe dream'.

The idea of making illegals, terrorists, & 'refugees' a higher priority than American citizens...while forcing those citizens to pay for it ... is BS / F*ED UP / WRONG!

show us your sourse where there are millions of illegals are ... where we give them this allege money ... really millions of them ... last i heard the majority of them were working ... thats why they came here in the first place ... all you hear in the news from you right wing nut jobs is these illegals are taking our jobs ... thats implying they are working tax free so which is it ... are the getting millions of tax dollars for free ,or are they taking our jobs ??? now whose the real idiot ?? that would be you

 

[Rustic]

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Algore is a good example of getting rich from absolute corruption...

 

[Rustic]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they have paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yea Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

You're an idiot.

Politicians are doing it now.

It will take millions to 're-settle' ILlegals and 'refugees', money they will never pay back while citizens - lie vets - are suffering.

Many / most will draw benefits being paid for by citizens....thry will never pay that back.

Those coming in are the 'new suckers' in the on-going Ponzi scheme that is Social Security.

The idea that un-vetted/improperly-vetted criminals and / or 'refugees' will come here and ever put more back into the system than they take out, will be more of a benefit than potential burden / threat is a 'pipe dream'.

The idea of making illegals, terrorists, & 'refugees' a higher priority than American citizens...while forcing those citizens to pay for it ... is BS / F*ED UP / WRONG!

show us your sourse where there are millions of illegals are ... where we give them this allege money ... really millions of them ... last i heard the majority of them were working ... thats why they came here in the first place ... all you hear in the news from you right wing nut jobs is these illegals are taking our jobs ... thats implying they are working tax free so which is it ... are the getting millions of tax dollars for free ,or are they taking our jobs ??? now whose the real idiot ?? that would be you

Your worship of socialism has made you dilusional...

 

[billyerock1991]

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

Ya, career politicians are saints...
Lol

I don't find any problem with a career politician if they are doing the job you want thats fine with me... if you don't like a career politician vote them out ... it can happen ... and yes they are saints...

 

[billyerock1991]

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Algore is a good example of getting rich from absolute corruption...

more bull shit ... you seem to like to put things out that has no factual bases to it ... tell us one corrupt thing he did in government ...

 

[Rustic]

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

Ya, career politicians are saints...
Lol

I don't find any problem with a career politician if they are doing the job you want thats fine with me... if you don't like a career politician vote them out ... it can happen ... and yes they are saints...

Ha, ha, Saints??
There is no lower life form than a career politician, they are the poster child for corruption...
See the Clintons

 

[billyerock1991]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they have paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yea Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

You're an idiot.

Politicians are doing it now.

It will take millions to 're-settle' ILlegals and 'refugees', money they will never pay back while citizens - lie vets - are suffering.

Many / most will draw benefits being paid for by citizens....thry will never pay that back.

Those coming in are the 'new suckers' in the on-going Ponzi scheme that is Social Security.

The idea that un-vetted/improperly-vetted criminals and / or 'refugees' will come here and ever put more back into the system than they take out, will be more of a benefit than potential burden / threat is a 'pipe dream'.

The idea of making illegals, terrorists, & 'refugees' a higher priority than American citizens...while forcing those citizens to pay for it ... is BS / F*ED UP / WRONG!

show us your sourse where there are millions of illegals are ... where we give them this allege money ... really millions of them ... last i heard the majority of them were working ... thats why they came here in the first place ... all you hear in the news from you right wing nut jobs is these illegals are taking our jobs ... thats implying they are working tax free so which is it ... are the getting millions of tax dollars for free ,or are they taking our jobs ??? now whose the real idiot ?? that would be you

Your worship of socialism has made you dilusional...

you seem to assumme a lot... I've never mention anything about being a socialist ... where did you come up with that ???thought??? are you one of those right wing nut jobs when pointed out how wrong they are or ask them to show some sort of proof, were now socialist, commies Nazi's cause we disagree with your assumption

 

[billyerock1991]

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

Ya, career politicians are saints...
Lol

I don't find any problem with a career politician if they are doing the job you want thats fine with me... if you don't like a career politician vote them out ... it can happen ... and yes they are saints...

Ha, ha, Saints??
There is no lower life form than a career politician, they are the poster child for corruption...
See the Clintons

thats and opinion not reality

 

[Redfish]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they have paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yea Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

You're an idiot.

Politicians are doing it now.

It will take millions to 're-settle' ILlegals and 'refugees', money they will never pay back while citizens - lie vets - are suffering.

Many / most will draw benefits being paid for by citizens....thry will never pay that back.

Those coming in are the 'new suckers' in the on-going Ponzi scheme that is Social Security.

The idea that un-vetted/improperly-vetted criminals and / or 'refugees' will come here and ever put more back into the system than they take out, will be more of a benefit than potential burden / threat is a 'pipe dream'.

The idea of making illegals, terrorists, & 'refugees' a higher priority than American citizens...while forcing those citizens to pay for it ... is BS / F*ED UP / WRONG!

show us your sourse where there are millions of illegals are ... where we give them this allege money ... really millions of them ... last i heard the majority of them were working ... thats why they came here in the first place ... all you hear in the news from you right wing nut jobs is these illegals are taking our jobs ... thats implying they are working tax free so which is it ... are the getting millions of tax dollars for free ,or are they taking our jobs ??? now whose the real idiot ?? that would be you

Your worship of socialism has made you dilusional...

you seem to assumme a lot... I've never mention anything about being a socialist ... where did you come up with that ???thought??? are you one of those right wing nut jobs when pointed out how wrong they are or ask them to show some sort of proof, were now socialist, commies Nazi's cause we disagree with your assumption

if you talk and preach like a socialist, you are a socialist.

 

[Redfish]

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

Ya, career politicians are saints...
Lol

I don't find any problem with a career politician if they are doing the job you want thats fine with me... if you don't like a career politician vote them out ... it can happen ... and yes they are saints...

Ha, ha, Saints??
There is no lower life form than a career politician, they are the poster child for corruption...
See the Clintons

thats and opinion not reality

are you that stupid? Do you think the Clintons became multi millionaires on their government paychecks?

 

[Rustic]

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Algore is a good example of getting rich from absolute corruption...

more bull shit ... you seem to like to put things out that has no factual bases to it ... tell us one corrupt thing he did in government ...

Him being a career politician is a corrupt act alone, no doubt paid by green/alternative energy lobbyists most of his career. Shown by his utter hipocrisy to this day.
Manbearpig is a POS, of the highest level.

 

[billyerock1991]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

If you look at any country in history and present day, if the government does not enforce government, tax paid, public programs, there are massive numbers of the poor and suffering that are not helped by others who have more. To assume that people are just going to be generous and giving is childish. It does not happen. 'People who are kind, charitable and forgiving' are few and far between. Those who are poor, hapless and vulnerable suffer immensely if they wait for such folks to relieve their suffering. It just doesn't happen, and it has been illustrating in uncountable ways over time throughout human history. Liberals are not cynical, they are realistic.

And the scariest thing in the world is "we are from the government and are here to help" I knew this to be true before a famous politician said it...

another Reagan moron who claims what a heres he was ... never mid he raise taxes 8 times illegally sold weapons to Iran when he was in office ... hell each year and he raised your taxes. but hey reagan he's our hero case we republicans ain't got one ... IDIOT

 

[sealybobo]

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Who do the lobbyists represent? Poor people?

The middle class has one lobby. Unions. How many lobbyists do you got? And who are they looking out for? Me? You?

 

[billyerock1991]

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Algore is a good example of getting rich from absolute corruption...

more bull shit ... you seem to like to put things out that has no factual bases to it ... tell us one corrupt thing he did in government ...

Him being a career politician is a corrupt act alone, no doubt paid by green/alternative energy lobbyists most of his career. Shown by his utter hipocrisy to this day.
Manbearpig is a POS, of the highest level.

in other words your a big bag of wind ... you couldn't point out one bit pf corrupt government other then they like to serve the country ... got it ... you're one big blow hard you have a fact one it what your handlers told you to think

 

[Rustic]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

If you look at any country in history and present day, if the government does not enforce government, tax paid, public programs, there are massive numbers of the poor and suffering that are not helped by others who have more. To assume that people are just going to be generous and giving is childish. It does not happen. 'People who are kind, charitable and forgiving' are few and far between. Those who are poor, hapless and vulnerable suffer immensely if they wait for such folks to relieve their suffering. It just doesn't happen, and it has been illustrating in uncountable ways over time throughout human history. Liberals are not cynical, they are realistic.

And the scariest thing in the world is "we are from the government and are here to help" I knew this to be true before a famous politician said it...

another Reagan moron who claims what a heres he was ... never mid he raise taxes 8 times illegally sold weapons to Iran when he was in office ... hell each year and he raised your taxes. but hey reagan he's our hero case we republicans ain't got one ... IDIOT

Your reading comprehension sucks, I never said I was a fan of any career politician.
You can't help being an lemming, can ya??

 

[Redfish]

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Who do the lobbyists represent? Poor people?

The middle class has one lobby. Unions. How many lobbyists do you got? And who are they looking out for? Me? You?

the question was corruption in government. Whether the bribes are coming from big pharma or from the unions, the corruption is the same.

Unions aren't looking out for you, the union bosses are filling their pockets with your dues, don't be such a moron.

 

[Rustic]

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Who do the lobbyists represent? Poor people?

The middle class has one lobby. Unions. How many lobbyists do you got? And who are they looking out for? Me? You?

Lobbyists are part of the game? Sure. It's a by product of career politicians. Unfortunately.

 

[Rustic]

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

Algore is a good example of getting rich from absolute corruption...

more bull shit ... you seem to like to put things out that has no factual bases to it ... tell us one corrupt thing he did in government ...

Him being a career politician is a corrupt act alone, no doubt paid by green/alternative energy lobbyists most of his career. Shown by his utter hipocrisy to this day.
Manbearpig is a POS, of the highest level.

in other words your a big bag of wind ... you couldn't point out one bit pf corrupt government other then they like to serve the country ... got it ... you're one big blow hard you have a fact one it what your handlers told you to think

There you go again, thinking career politicians are saints...
Lol

 

[Rustic]

Worst of all... A socialist and a career politician.
A pile of bat shit crazy...

 

[LeftofLeft]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

Fact is, since the GOP made all their cuts to government programs that help the poor and since they implimented their unregulated free trade, more people have slipped into poverty. And charities and religion are proving they are not capable of handling or solving the growing problem. This is what our government is for.

This was written in 2007. This is why I laugh when Republicans try to suggest that Obama is at fault for the mess we are in.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Since Bush has been president:

•over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
•nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
•median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
•three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
•three million American workers have lost their pensions;
•home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
•the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn't happened since the great depression;
•the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
•entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
•wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.

How would you increase household income? - Increase take home pay. Lower taxes. Personal savings is a choice. If people are losing money paycheck to paycheck on living essentials, then that is problem. If people are spending their money on non-essentials and not saving, how is their choice my problem? As for real earnings of college graduates has declined by 5%, maybe colleges need to push and focus its students in areas of study where there is a demand in jobs. Get the degree in Computer Science and take Women's Studies courses as a minor; not the inverse.

Finally, as for manufacturing jobs, it is too easy to say that the reason jobs have been lost due to greediness of C-Levels who ship these jobs overseas. If China, India, and other cheap labor countries had the same corporate tax rate, same labor laws, same legal liability levels, and same government regulations, then the C-Level greediness mantra might work.