Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[Rustic]

Government employed people running the reservations are some the most corrupt people on the planet.

 

[billyerock1991]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

its all about them ... to hell with anyone else who disagrees with his policy... case in point here we have people voted into office by the people ... what does Rick Snyder do??? Snyder removes them from power .. puts his own little snyder clones to run each city ... especially if we have democrats for mayors in that city ... then he fuck it up big time ...complains to the fed's he needs money to fix up his mess... in the mean time people suffer from his leadership ... every time a republican controls a state or the white house the middle class gets poor and the poor becomes destitute ... where the rich become billion airs .. what next the rich becoming trillion airs ??? zillion airs ????they will never be satisfied !!!

 

[Rustic]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

If you look at any country in history and present day, if the government does not enforce government, tax paid, public programs, there are massive numbers of the poor and suffering that are not helped by others who have more. To assume that people are just going to be generous and giving is childish. It does not happen. 'People who are kind, charitable and forgiving' are few and far between. Those who are poor, hapless and vulnerable suffer immensely if they wait for such folks to relieve their suffering. It just doesn't happen, and it has been illustrating in uncountable ways over time throughout human history. Liberals are not cynical, they are realistic.

And the scariest thing in the world is "we are from the government and are here to help" I knew this to be true before a famous politician said it...

 

[easyt65]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

 

[Rustic]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

The tax, spend and print policy's of this country have made this country broke for many, many decades. No two ways about it.

 

[billyerock1991]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

 

[billyerock1991]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

The tax, spend and print policy's of this country have made this country broke for many, many decades. No two ways about it.

heres where you have a problem ... if you have a program that you pass, you tax the people for that program, how is it the country is going broke over that ???I'd love to hear your response on that one...

 

[Rustic]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

The tax, spend and print policy's of this country have made this country broke for many, many decades. No two ways about it.

heres where you have a problem ... if you have a program that you pass, you tax the people for that program, how is it the country is going broke over that ???I'd love to hear your response on that one...

Government corruption, The catalyst is the career politician

 

[billyerock1991]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they haven't paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yeah Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

 

[Rustic]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

 

[easyt65]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

I don't know of any liberal that has ever said we have enough money for illegals to settle ... I have heard them say lets let them get cards so they can pay taxes and catch up on the taxes they have paid ... where do you get this crap that we feel illegals don't have to pay ???OH yea Rush Hannity Glenn Beck, those idiots ... hey did anyone ever tell you they aren't liberals???

You're an idiot.

Politicians are doing it now.

It will take millions to 're-settle' ILlegals and 'refugees', money they will never pay back while citizens - lie vets - are suffering.

Many / most will draw benefits being paid for by citizens....thry will never pay that back.

Those coming in are the 'new suckers' in the on-going Ponzi scheme that is Social Security.

The idea that un-vetted/improperly-vetted criminals and / or 'refugees' will come here and ever put more back into the system than they take out, will be more of a benefit than potential burden / threat is a 'pipe dream'.

The idea of making illegals, terrorists, & 'refugees' a higher priority than American citizens...while forcing those citizens to pay for it ... is BS / F*ED UP / WRONG!

 

[billyerock1991]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

The tax, spend and print policy's of this country have made this country broke for many, many decades. No two ways about it.

heres where you have a problem ... if you have a program that you pass, you tax the people for that program, how is it the country is going broke over that ???I'd love to hear your response on that one...

Government corruption, The catalyst is the career politician

in other words you don't know ... funny how every thing from thew right is government corruption ... so Ill help you out on how we get in debt...

when bush was in office Kerry wouldn't vote to pass a emergency bill for the Iraq war ... kerry's reason was we didn't have a source of money for it ...Kerry got racked over the coals for it ... he was said to be unpatriotic cause he wouldn't vote to pass a bill that was funder... heres why we are in debt every month under the bush administration the republicans kept passing unfunded bill where we the people went into debt for it ... where you right wing nut jobs complain we've getting too much debt why is that??? I woulld say we aren't being taxed for it... when Obama came into office one of the things he did was put all that debt that the republicans caused into the national debt were it belonged in the first place ... what did we hear from the right ??? the national debt is out of control ... Obama is spending like its no tomorrow ...get the picture Mr. government corruption??? you haven't any idea what it means when you hear tax and spend ... you would rather hear tax and owe ,,,

 

[billyerock1991]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

 

[billyerock1991]

I want to hear from middle class and poor Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear how they think they will benefit from an every man for himself society. From what I can tell his approach would produce a small upper class and the middle class will become the working poor.

People don't realize it was liberal labor laws, FDR New Deal, tariffs and unions that produced the huge middle class we enjoyed for the last 50 years. It wasn't unregulated free trade. Unregulated Free trade sent 7 million good paying jobs out of the country because we make too much. And Ron Paul wants to double down on the idea? He and Paul Ryan are no different. Bad for America. Not the top 1% but the rest of us, BAD.

The funny thing is that poor and working class, even middle class, Americans do not live in an every man for himself society. They benefit from all kinds of public programs, like tax breaks for sending their kids to college, like tax breaks for even having kids. All kinds of public and social programs. Parks, roads and highways, free public schools--the list goes on and on and on. They don't even have a clue what it would be like to actually live in an every man for himself society. The wouldn't want to do it if they realized what it was like. But they don't think about it deeply enough to realize what it would be like.

I agree. What the Republicans do is use big government as a boogeyman to tell middle class and poor people that a big bloated government is why they're not doing well. And there is some truth to that. our government is too big and the debt is too big but that doesn't mean I want to move the country towards a libertarian style economic system where winner takes all and every man for himself and dog eat dog I know that won't work for the most of us even if it might work for me it's not the right thing to do but I can understand greedy or ignorant people thinking it would be the right thing to do.

I have a friend who wants to do away with all these government programs yet when his father died when he was a child his mother basically rode the government's back until he was 18 years old and the schmuck doesn't realize it

What about the people that don't depend on government?? And don't want to?

I don't know of any people that don't rely on government from trump down

 

[billyerock1991]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

 

[Rustic]

Liberals claim we have enough money to 're-settle' millions of illegals and 'refugees'...but don't have enough to give American seniors a Social Security cost of living increase.

Liberals demonstrate they believe we have enough money and believe it is ok to give our politicians their own health care system - the best our money can buy AND give illegals/refugees great health care but deprive our vets of needed health care.

Liberals just attacked Trump for having an America-1st business approach while saying nothing about the recent report about more factories shutting down and heading to Mexico / overseas....

The reason you and other Librals could never be members of the GOP or LIBERTARIANS is because deep down you are elitist, Socialist, Anti-American, party-1st, anti-Constitutionalists who have and who continue to destroy this country.

The tax, spend and print policy's of this country have made this country broke for many, many decades. No two ways about it.

heres where you have a problem ... if you have a program that you pass, you tax the people for that program, how is it the country is going broke over that ???I'd love to hear your response on that one...

Government corruption, The catalyst is the career politician

in other words you don't know ... funny how every thing from thew right is government corruption ... so Ill help you out on how we get in debt...

when bush was in office Kerry wouldn't vote to pass a emergency bill for the Iraq war ... kerry's reason was we didn't have a source of money for it ...Kerry got racked over the coals for it ... he was said to be unpatriotic cause he wouldn't vote to pass a bill that was funder... heres why we are in debt every month under the bush administration the republicans kept passing unfunded bill where we the people went into debt for it ... where you right wing nut jobs complain we've getting too much debt why is that??? I woulld say we aren't being taxed for it... when Obama came into office one of the things he did was put all that debt that the republicans caused into the national debt were it belonged in the first place ... what did we hear from the right ??? the national debt is out of control ... Obama is spending like its no tomorrow ...get the picture Mr. government corruption??? you haven't any idea what it means when you hear tax and spend ... you would rather hear tax and owe ,,,

Have you always been this obtuse??
Our socialist entitlement programs are the real debt of this nation, sure there has been foolish defense spending/debt. Its a drop in the bucket compared to this other foolish socialism spending/debt.
The tax, spend and print policy's have put us past the point of no return decades ago. There's not enough money in the world to get out of this shit hole that is socialism...
Robin Hood only works in fairytales for the foolishly stupid bat shit crazy socialist world...

 

[Rustic]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

You're delusional if you don't think the federal government is not...

 

[Redfish]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

are you nuts??? really ...are you??? federal government absolutely corrupt/ really??

The OP is nothing but dem/lib talking points and lies. not a speck of truth in it.

Yes, there is corruption in the federal government. Senators and congressmen are getting obscenely rich by taking legal bribes from lobbyists and special interests

 

[Rustic]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Conservatives are more generous with their money the liberals and America is more generous then the whole world. We just don't like liberals taking money from us to give to other liberals, seems awfully unfair. Government should NEVER be in the charity business.

Did you know self made men are much more charitable than people who were born into it?

first thing there is no such thing as a self made man ... how ever there are such of a thing as a hard working man...

This true, but lack of single term limits are a large part of what has made federal government absolutely corrupt...

totall bull shit ...

Ya, career politicians are saints...
Lol

 

[Rustic]

I want to hear from middle class and poor Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear how they think they will benefit from an every man for himself society. From what I can tell his approach would produce a small upper class and the middle class will become the working poor.

People don't realize it was liberal labor laws, FDR New Deal, tariffs and unions that produced the huge middle class we enjoyed for the last 50 years. It wasn't unregulated free trade. Unregulated Free trade sent 7 million good paying jobs out of the country because we make too much. And Ron Paul wants to double down on the idea? He and Paul Ryan are no different. Bad for America. Not the top 1% but the rest of us, BAD.

The funny thing is that poor and working class, even middle class, Americans do not live in an every man for himself society. They benefit from all kinds of public programs, like tax breaks for sending their kids to college, like tax breaks for even having kids. All kinds of public and social programs. Parks, roads and highways, free public schools--the list goes on and on and on. They don't even have a clue what it would be like to actually live in an every man for himself society. The wouldn't want to do it if they realized what it was like. But they don't think about it deeply enough to realize what it would be like.

I agree. What the Republicans do is use big government as a boogeyman to tell middle class and poor people that a big bloated government is why they're not doing well. And there is some truth to that. our government is too big and the debt is too big but that doesn't mean I want to move the country towards a libertarian style economic system where winner takes all and every man for himself and dog eat dog I know that won't work for the most of us even if it might work for me it's not the right thing to do but I can understand greedy or ignorant people thinking it would be the right thing to do.

I have a friend who wants to do away with all these government programs yet when his father died when he was a child his mother basically rode the government's back until he was 18 years old and the schmuck doesn't realize it

What about the people that don't depend on government?? And don't want to?

I don't know of any people that don't rely on government from trump down

This is true, it has made this country soft and gullible...