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Here is the first disconnect with those who want to build a border wall.
The REASON THE WALL WON'T WORK HERE IS DUE TO THE SIMPLE FACT THAT IT IS INTENDED SOLELY TO PREVENT HUMAN BEINGS FROM ENGAGING IN OTHERWISE LEGAL ACTIVITIES.
Unlike the Israelis, we are not in a state of war with our neighbors. The American people are WILLINGLY participating in free trade.
The build the wall advocates here keep asking the same questions and keep getting the same answers. It is not in the interests of the American people to start a process that infringes upon the Rights of those who WILLINGLY engage in business with foreign neighbors.
You could regulate the trade, but you are not ever going to keep the foreigners out unless and until you change your own behavior.
You do know we have border check points right?
And we are in a drug war with Mexico we just gave the like 5 billion dollars over the next few years
If we're in a war with drugs, how come we're trying to have a fight with humans? Saudis attack the World Trade Center and we attack Iraq. That morphs into a nearly two decade old war; nothing is settled and Trump declares victory. A war on drugs? You lose.
So you have no problem with drug cartels killing people over your drugs?
Like I said you want anarchy and turn America into a 3rd world shit hole
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I have a problem with people like you who want the world to be at war over drugs in a manner where the government claims more of our Rights and YOU would turn us into a third world shithole because you have developed a religion around a wall.
What you want will turn us into a thrid world shit hole, what do you think inviting everyone from Venezuela into the US won't turn us into Venezuela?
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The question is...should we waste money on measures that will have no effect.
Trumpers think we should
You want the government to give you a wall for whatever reason you can conjure up as the discussion proceeds. You don't really know why you want it, other than you think Trump is God and you have to move the goalposts accordingly. But, you want him to give you a wall.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Industry is flooded with foreigners because people like you got hooked on drugs and can't think. So you sit on your ass all day, every day whining about a wall around America.
You and more than 11 MILLION Americans could work a job, but choose not to. The jobs are out there - and at good wages. But, it is easier for some of you to sit around, living off the welfare, and not even wanting to create ways to get Americans back on the job.
I think you really need a professional to advise you about those voices in your head. I've told you repeatedly I do work. But those voices tell you something different. You really need to have that checked out. And tell the shrink how I told you repeatedly I don't take drugs, but those voices in your head keep insisting I do.
Your post numbers testify against that claim that you work. Does your boss know you spend all day arguing about a wall?
I'm on vacation. But even if I weren't, yes, my employer has no problem with what I do on dead time or waiting to get loaded or unloaded which at times, takes an hour and a half.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
See - occasionally the are honest. The Wall is just protectionism for lazy Americans.
You do know we have border check points right?
And we are in a drug war with Mexico we just gave the like 5 billion dollars over the next few years
If we're in a war with drugs, how come we're trying to have a fight with humans? Saudis attack the World Trade Center and we attack Iraq. That morphs into a nearly two decade old war; nothing is settled and Trump declares victory. A war on drugs? You lose.
So you have no problem with drug cartels killing people over your drugs?
Like I said you want anarchy and turn America into a 3rd world shit hole
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I have a problem with people like you who want the world to be at war over drugs in a manner where the government claims more of our Rights and YOU would turn us into a third world shithole because you have developed a religion around a wall.
What you want will turn us into a thrid world shit hole, what do you think inviting everyone from Venezuela into the US won't turn us into Venezuela?
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I didn't invite anyone. I don't do drugs; the gigs I offer are available to any white American who applies for the job (and they are simple jobs at $20 to $40 per hr.)
The people I end up using for jobs around here do it because people like you are on the Internet all day; many are on drugs and are judged by their past (as per Ray from Cleveland) so they don't apply.
Not my fault.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Industry is flooded with foreigners because people like you got hooked on drugs and can't think. So you sit on your ass all day, every day whining about a wall around America.
You and more than 11 MILLION Americans could work a job, but choose not to. The jobs are out there - and at good wages. But, it is easier for some of you to sit around, living off the welfare, and not even wanting to create ways to get Americans back on the job.
I think you really need a professional to advise you about those voices in your head. I've told you repeatedly I do work. But those voices tell you something different. You really need to have that checked out. And tell the shrink how I told you repeatedly I don't take drugs, but those voices in your head keep insisting I do.
Your post numbers testify against that claim that you work. Does your boss know you spend all day arguing about a wall?
I'm on vacation. But even if I weren't, yes, my employer has no problem with what I do on dead time or waiting to get loaded or unloaded which at times, takes an hour and a half.
Good one. BTW, I do have someone waiting on me to do some real work. Maybe I can check back in later.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
See - occasionally the are honest. The Wall is just protectionism for lazy Americans.
At this point I think we need to test your knowledge here, so answer this one simple question:
In the theory of supply and demand, what happens to prices when there is too much supply?
The question is...should we waste money on measures that will have no effect.
Trumpers think we should
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
See - occasionally the are honest. The Wall is just protectionism for lazy Americans.
At this point I think we need to test your knowledge here, so answer this one simple question:
In the theory of supply and demand, what happens to prices when there is too much supply?
Sorry, the thought of you testing my knowledge made milk squirt out my nose. Too funny, too early!
Anyway, what is "too much" supply, in your view? Is that the same thing as unwanted competition?
When you flood the job market with cheap labor, the supply of that labor keeps wages down. It's very plain and simple. Without them, industries are not going to do without. They will need to up their offers to potential employees to draw interest in their job.
the right wing built the warfare State.Well, let me help you unboggle your mind. Why not start by reading Orwell's book 1984. It was a warning in the form of a novel.
The government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have... a quote by a famous Republican
Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.
You want the government to give you a wall for whatever reason you can conjure up as the discussion proceeds. You don't really know why you want it, other than you think Trump is God and you have to move the goalposts accordingly. But, you want him to give you a wall.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Industry is flooded with foreigners because people like you got hooked on drugs and can't think. So you sit on your ass all day, every day whining about a wall around America.
You and more than 11 MILLION Americans could work a job, but choose not to. The jobs are out there - and at good wages. But, it is easier for some of you to sit around, living off the welfare, and not even wanting to create ways to get Americans back on the job.
And who built the welfare state the left, you.
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Keep in mind the wall is really an unknown factor. It may be solid or slats. It may have barbed wire, electric wire, or nothing on top. Once it's built it becomes a known factor and can not easily be changed. That means coyotes will figure out the fastest method of crossing which maybe ladders, climbing carabiners, or some type power lift. However, you can be sure once the fence is built people are going to cross it. You can't stop them No wall can keep people out if they have access to the right equipment. It can only delay crossing. People who have crossed existing border walls estimated that the delay would only be 1 to 2 minutes over current reinforced fencing. That might be useful in densely populated area but in remote ares which are 85% of the border a couple of minutes delay would be meaningless.Do you really believe that wall couldn't be compromised?
Sure it could. So can prison fences. So can jails. It happens now and then. But the point is it makes it much more difficult for those that are hell bent on trying. For the rest, they will realize the efforts and risks are too great, and they payoff (if any) not worthy. Because even if they could draw the attention by getting past a wall, it likely won't be long until a border agent on the other side arrests them and sends them back to the other side.
Then why are other countries with similar problems to the US reporting great success with their wall? Will it stop each and every one? Probably not. But if the reduction is 75% or better, it's money well spent.
Other countries are not fighting the same demons we are. Walls work for communists, socialists, dictatorships and countries that are at war... then, they work temporarily.
When you flood the job market with cheap labor, the supply of that labor keeps wages down. It's very plain and simple. Without them, industries are not going to do without. They will need to up their offers to potential employees to draw interest in their job.
Right. You're opposed to free trade. That's what we've been saying.
the right wing built the warfare State.Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.
You want the government to give you a wall for whatever reason you can conjure up as the discussion proceeds. You don't really know why you want it, other than you think Trump is God and you have to move the goalposts accordingly. But, you want him to give you a wall.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Industry is flooded with foreigners because people like you got hooked on drugs and can't think. So you sit on your ass all day, every day whining about a wall around America.
You and more than 11 MILLION Americans could work a job, but choose not to. The jobs are out there - and at good wages. But, it is easier for some of you to sit around, living off the welfare, and not even wanting to create ways to get Americans back on the job.
And who built the welfare state the left, you.
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When you flood the job market with cheap labor, the supply of that labor keeps wages down. It's very plain and simple. Without them, industries are not going to do without. They will need to up their offers to potential employees to draw interest in their job.
Right. You're opposed to free trade. That's what we've been saying.
Bringing in cheap labor is not free trade. It's throwing a monkey wrench in the system. It's cheating Americans out of jobs. It's illegal.
there is no express wall building power.The question is...should we waste money on measures that will have no effect.
Trumpers think we should
So once again the border security experts says it has a dramatic effect, but you uneducated opinion says it doesnt?
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the right wing knows nothing about capitalism. Talk is what they do best.the right wing built the warfare State.You want the government to give you a wall for whatever reason you can conjure up as the discussion proceeds. You don't really know why you want it, other than you think Trump is God and you have to move the goalposts accordingly. But, you want him to give you a wall.
Let me tell you, our industry is flooded with foreigners. Cheap companies don't want to pay good money and lazy Americans don't want to take the jobs. So more and more companies are turning to foreigners.
They come here and are operating 75,000 lbs vehicles on the road with no ability to read road signs. These are terrible drivers to boot. Yes, they are driving right next to your vehicle on the highway. Besides the danger to Americans, they are keeping our wages lower because companies can pay them squat.
It's not just my industry, it's happening in nearly every industry. The ones that don't work or work low wage jobs are costing us taxpayers billions of dollars every year. That's money I work for that could go to better things like taking care of our homeless vets or reduce the deficit. And I don't want to hear about all these phony advantages because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Industry is flooded with foreigners because people like you got hooked on drugs and can't think. So you sit on your ass all day, every day whining about a wall around America.
You and more than 11 MILLION Americans could work a job, but choose not to. The jobs are out there - and at good wages. But, it is easier for some of you to sit around, living off the welfare, and not even wanting to create ways to get Americans back on the job.
And who built the welfare state the left, you.
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It would be $2 bucks an hour then, not your $14
When you flood the job market with cheap labor, the supply of that labor keeps wages down. It's very plain and simple. Without them, industries are not going to do without. They will need to up their offers to potential employees to draw interest in their job.
Right. You're opposed to free trade. That's what we've been saying.
Bringing in cheap labor is not free trade. It's throwing a monkey wrench in the system. It's cheating Americans out of jobs. It's illegal.
Unwanted competition. I hear ya. You want the government to guarantee your income. No different than the "living wage" goons.
capitalism doesn't recognize isolationism or vacuums of special pleading.When you flood the job market with cheap labor, the supply of that labor keeps wages down. It's very plain and simple. Without them, industries are not going to do without. They will need to up their offers to potential employees to draw interest in their job.
Right. You're opposed to free trade. That's what we've been saying.
Bringing in cheap labor is not free trade. It's throwing a monkey wrench in the system. It's cheating Americans out of jobs. It's illegal.
Unwanted competition. I hear ya. You want the government to guarantee your income. No different than the "living wage" goons.
No. Wage competition takes place within our borders by our own people. Supply and demand when it comes to wages is the most perfect system known. It works fine until somebody tries to cheat the system such as unions, minimum wage and yes, foreigners. And you could even throw social programs in the mix if you so desire.
Keep those problems out of our supply and demand system, the system will work almost flawlessly. Bringing in third world cheap labor for competition of our wages is like when those cross dressers compete in female sports activities. You are simply cheating the system.
Unwanted competition. I hear ya. You want the government to guarantee your income. No different than the "living wage" goons.
No. Wage competition takes place within our borders by our own people. Supply and demand when it comes to wages is the most perfect system known.
