Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[Youwerecreated]

Being more or less complex is irrelevant. Is this child a product of a) evolution, or b) god, or c) other (please specify).

The bible is a bunch of books written by men, not god.

Is relevant, if anything the child is a product of devolution. All things are a product of Gods creation. Since man made a choice now we are living the consequences of those choices.

If that choice was the correct choice we would not see the misery,pain,and death we observe now. Now we know the difference between good and evil and that was a choice adam and eve made. They made a choice to go away from God and perfection and go to chaos and evil.

The real product of human "devolution" are religious extremists who unfortunately, poison the gene pool.

The gene pool is poisoned because of the choice made by adam and eve.

 

[Hollie]

Hmm let's look at the definition of evolution and see if you have the right view of evolution.

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/
Noun

The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

So do you think that child is a more complex form ?

According to some theists that believe in a place of torment but I believe they have a doctrine not supported by scripture. It is due to taking everything written in the bible literally. Not everything in the bible is literal and way you find that out is by actually reading the bible.

One of the dangers faced by of cut and pasters is that they tend not to understand the terms they are cutting and pasting definitions for. There are differences separating willful ignorance vs. sheer stupidity. Simply cutting and pasting a definition for “evolution” could involve both willful ignorance and sheer stupidity.

Biological evolution does not necessarily require or result in “greater complexity”. Biological Evolution is a process by which results in heritable changes within a population are spread over many generations.

Once again for the cut and pasters:

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Populations have a huge amount of genetic variation for every physical trait they possess.

Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness, and what genetic variation hinders fitness. The entire population experiences a change in gene frequency as the fit genes become more common over time, and the unfit genes become rarer. This results in the corresponding physical trait evolving in the direction of greater fitness.

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

As befuddled as always.

Cutting and pasting dictionary definitions that are relevant to a particular topic is difficult when you don't understand the topic.

 

[Hollie]

Is relevant, if anything the child is a product of devolution. All things are a product of Gods creation. Since man made a choice now we are living the consequences of those choices.

If that choice was the correct choice we would not see the misery,pain,and death we observe now. Now we know the difference between good and evil and that was a choice adam and eve made. They made a choice to go away from God and perfection and go to chaos and evil.

The real product of human "devolution" are religious extremists who unfortunately, poison the gene pool.

The gene pool is poisoned because of the choice made by adam and eve.

You are wholly illiterate regarding the bible tale. According to the biblical tales and fables, your gawds lied to adam and eve. Satan told the truth.

How is it that you are so completely ignorant regarding the tales and fables your various bibles really describe?

 

[Hollie]

Is relevant, if anything the child is a product of devolution. All things are a product of Gods creation. Since man made a choice now we are living the consequences of those choices.

If that choice was the correct choice we would not see the misery,pain,and death we observe now. Now we know the difference between good and evil and that was a choice adam and eve made. They made a choice to go away from God and perfection and go to chaos and evil.

Holy Malarkey Batman!!

You got any proof whatsoever of what you claim?

Btw, so god punishes children for Adam and Eve's mistake? Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Believing that we were created, and there is a loving God that didn't completely abandon us, is the only faith I need to believe as I do.

Adam and eve made a choice that left all of creation living with the consequences of their choice. We are living in a decaying world not that place called eden where adam and eve had their choice of perfect food and really everything they needed,plus peace and tranquility.

Rom 5:12 Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die.
Rom 5:13 Sin was in the world before the Law came. But no record of sin was kept, because there was no Law.
Rom 5:14 Yet death still had power over all who lived from the time of Adam to the time of Moses. This happened, though not everyone disobeyed a direct command from God, as Adam did. In some ways Adam is like Christ who came later.

But remember, "creation science" relies on "science".

Really, it does.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Holy Malarkey Batman!!

You got any proof whatsoever of what you claim?

Btw, so god punishes children for Adam and Eve's mistake? Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Believing that we were created, and there is a loving God that didn't completely abandon us, is the only faith I need to believe as I do.

Adam and eve made a choice that left all of creation living with the consequences of their choice. We are living in a decaying world not that place called eden where adam and eve had their choice of perfect food and really everything they needed,plus peace and tranquility.

Rom 5:12 Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die.
Rom 5:13 Sin was in the world before the Law came. But no record of sin was kept, because there was no Law.
Rom 5:14 Yet death still had power over all who lived from the time of Adam to the time of Moses. This happened, though not everyone disobeyed a direct command from God, as Adam did. In some ways Adam is like Christ who came later.

But remember, "creation science" relies on "science".

Really, it does.

Where do you think science came from ? the fields of science exist because of the creator.

 

[Youwerecreated]

One of the dangers faced by of cut and pasters is that they tend not to understand the terms they are cutting and pasting definitions for. There are differences separating willful ignorance vs. sheer stupidity. Simply cutting and pasting a definition for “evolution” could involve both willful ignorance and sheer stupidity.

Biological evolution does not necessarily require or result in “greater complexity”. Biological Evolution is a process by which results in heritable changes within a population are spread over many generations.

Once again for the cut and pasters:

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Populations have a huge amount of genetic variation for every physical trait they possess.

Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness, and what genetic variation hinders fitness. The entire population experiences a change in gene frequency as the fit genes become more common over time, and the unfit genes become rarer. This results in the corresponding physical trait evolving in the direction of greater fitness.

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

As befuddled as always.

Cutting and pasting dictionary definitions that are relevant to a particular topic is difficult when you don't understand the topic.

Your words not mine.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The real product of human "devolution" are religious extremists who unfortunately, poison the gene pool.

The gene pool is poisoned because of the choice made by adam and eve.

You are wholly illiterate regarding the bible tale. According to the biblical tales and fables, your gawds lied to adam and eve. Satan told the truth.

How is it that you are so completely ignorant regarding the tales and fables your various bibles really describe?

I put many years in to studying the scriptures ,it is not I that is wholly illiterate regarding the bible.

 

[Hollie]

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

As befuddled as always.

Cutting and pasting dictionary definitions that are relevant to a particular topic is difficult when you don't understand the topic.

Your words not mine.

As I wrote that, yes, those are my words.

As befuddled as always.

 

[Hollie]

The gene pool is poisoned because of the choice made by adam and eve.

You are wholly illiterate regarding the bible tale. According to the biblical tales and fables, your gawds lied to adam and eve. Satan told the truth.

How is it that you are so completely ignorant regarding the tales and fables your various bibles really describe?

I put many years in to studying the scriptures ,it is not I that is wholly illiterate regarding the bible.

Rote memorization has not helped you a bit with identifying the errors and inconsistencies within the various biblical tales and fables.

It cannot have come as a surprise to you that your gawds lied to A&E. I spelled out for you earlier the nonsense that defines the genesis tale.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hmm let's look at the definition of evolution and see if you have the right view of evolution.

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/
Noun

The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

So do you think that child is a more complex form ?

According to some theists that believe in a place of torment but I believe they have a doctrine not supported by scripture. It is due to taking everything written in the bible literally. Not everything in the bible is literal and way you find that out is by actually reading the bible.

One of the dangers faced by of cut and pasters is that they tend not to understand the terms they are cutting and pasting definitions for. There are differences separating willful ignorance vs. sheer stupidity. Simply cutting and pasting a definition for “evolution” could involve both willful ignorance and sheer stupidity.

Biological evolution does not necessarily require or result in “greater complexity”. Biological Evolution is a process by which results in heritable changes within a population are spread over many generations.

Once again for the cut and pasters:

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Populations have a huge amount of genetic variation for every physical trait they possess.

Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness, and what genetic variation hinders fitness. The entire population experiences a change in gene frequency as the fit genes become more common over time, and the unfit genes become rarer. This results in the corresponding physical trait evolving in the direction of greater fitness.

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

Wrong, dummy.

 

[Youwerecreated]

One of the dangers faced by of cut and pasters is that they tend not to understand the terms they are cutting and pasting definitions for. There are differences separating willful ignorance vs. sheer stupidity. Simply cutting and pasting a definition for “evolution” could involve both willful ignorance and sheer stupidity.

Biological evolution does not necessarily require or result in “greater complexity”. Biological Evolution is a process by which results in heritable changes within a population are spread over many generations.

Once again for the cut and pasters:

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Populations have a huge amount of genetic variation for every physical trait they possess.

Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness, and what genetic variation hinders fitness. The entire population experiences a change in gene frequency as the fit genes become more common over time, and the unfit genes become rarer. This results in the corresponding physical trait evolving in the direction of greater fitness.

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

Wrong, dummy.

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

Wrong, dummy.

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You used the word thinking.
You should try it sometime.

Just to be clear, you were wrong about your claim that the 2nd Law prevents evolution?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Wrong, dummy.

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You used the word thinking.
You should try it sometime.

Just to be clear, you were wrong about your claim that the 2nd Law prevents evolution?

Hollie said natural selection decides, the better way to say it is very simple, better adapted organisms have a better chance of survival.

decides 3rd person singular present of de·cide (Verb)
Verb

Come to a resolution in the mind as a result of consideration.

Not if the 2nd law applies to this planet. You said the genetic code could arise as long as it don't violate the 2nd law. So are you contradicting yourself by saying that the 2nd law does apply to this planet ?

 

[Hollie]

Hmm natural selection is a thinking process interesting.

Wrong, dummy.

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You're eternally befuddled. Your comment about natural selection being a "thinking process" makes no sense. Similarly, suggesting that natural selection is a "guided process" also makes no sense.

Congratulations, you're two for two with suggestions that make no sense.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Wrong, dummy.

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You're eternally befuddled. Your comment about natural selection being a "thinking process" makes no sense. Similarly, suggesting that natural selection is a "guided process" also makes no sense.

Congratulations, you're two for two with suggestions that make no sense.

Maybe you should choose your words more wisely nitwit.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Is relevant, if anything the child is a product of devolution. All things are a product of Gods creation. Since man made a choice now we are living the consequences of those choices.

If that choice was the correct choice we would not see the misery,pain,and death we observe now. Now we know the difference between good and evil and that was a choice adam and eve made. They made a choice to go away from God and perfection and go to chaos and evil.

Holy Malarkey Batman!!

You got any proof whatsoever of what you claim?

Btw, so god punishes children for Adam and Eve's mistake? Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Believing that we were created, and there is a loving God that didn't completely abandon us, is the only faith I need to believe as I do.

Adam and eve made a choice that left all of creation living with the consequences of their choice. We are living in a decaying world not that place called eden where adam and eve had their choice of perfect food and really everything they needed,plus peace and tranquility.

Rom 5:12 Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die.
Rom 5:13 Sin was in the world before the Law came. But no record of sin was kept, because there was no Law.
Rom 5:14 Yet death still had power over all who lived from the time of Adam to the time of Moses. This happened, though not everyone disobeyed a direct command from God, as Adam did. In some ways Adam is like Christ who came later.

So you believe in the bible because you feel like it, not because you have any proof of its god. Got it.

PS Do you know that you're a moron?

 

[orogenicman]

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You're eternally befuddled. Your comment about natural selection being a "thinking process" makes no sense. Similarly, suggesting that natural selection is a "guided process" also makes no sense.

Congratulations, you're two for two with suggestions that make no sense.

Maybe you should choose your words more wisely nitwit.

Maybe you should takes some biology classes. Natural selection is non-random, but is neither a guided process nor a decision tree. It is non-random because specific adaptations occur as a result of specific changes in the environment of a species. Darwin's finches are a clear example of this principle. No one decided that the finches must change as a result of their isolation in an environment that was different than the one in which they were accustomed. It was simply a matter of biological survival of the species.

 

[Hollie]

You're calling the wrong person a dummy, my comment came from this comment "
Natural selection decides what genetic variation helps fitness"

Is natural selection a guided mechanism ?

You're eternally befuddled. Your comment about natural selection being a "thinking process" makes no sense. Similarly, suggesting that natural selection is a "guided process" also makes no sense.

Congratulations, you're two for two with suggestions that make no sense.

Maybe you should choose your words more wisely nitwit.

Your failure to understand some pretty basic concepts is of your own manufacture.

There was nothing in my comments that indicated evolution being a "thinking process" or a "guided process". Maybe your lack of a science vocabulary is something you need to work on.

 

[daws101]

oh btw eot's, how were you "forced" to come your decision on linkage between gmo's and ufo's ?
waterboarding? baton up the ass ?
or was it just plan old specious reasoning?

I am making no connection to GMO and UFOS...I am saying given the recent revelations of two national defense ministers and hundreds of high ranking military and space program personal along with the historical and archaeological evidence from the past theories proposing an explanation for human origins involving ancient astronauts take on a new level of credibility that warrants serious consideration...you from your position and perspective my not agree but no less than two former defense minister and several Apollo astronauts have reached a vastly different view than you both Edgar Mitchell and the Canadian defense minister say.. I can tell you unequivocally we have had on going alien contact and willing to risk their reputation and legacy on their statements and have both said they are willing to testify before congress under oath and under penalty of perjury as to what they know...to me this carries a lot of weight and is worthy of serious and reasoned consideration

are you trying to set a guinness world record for the most times defence minister and astronauts is used on a thread?

 

[daws101]

No, I am saying if the 2nd law applies to this planet then I do believe evolution would violate it.

Enzymes work to correct copying errors in other words mutations. This is the main mechanism for new information.

Mutation fixation is not that easy with natural selection removing traits from the genepool as well as the other mechanisms mentioned that work against them mutations.

No, I am saying if the 2nd law applies to this planet then I do believe evolution would violate it.

Our systen, Earth, receives energy, so the 2nd Law doesn't apply.
Your continuing claim that it in any way could ever prevent evolution only confirms your ignorance.

Enzymes work to correct copying errors in other words mutations.

Every mutuation is corrected by enzymes and that is why evolution cannot occur?
Is that your claim?

No I don't think so because if the 2nd law applies to this planet, for over a billion years it has been drifting towards disorder. So your telling me that the genetic code and all things necessary to form a viable cell was developed ? then that cell in turn evolved every living organism that has existed since ?

I never said every mutation but most mutations do nothing at all that get through or they are repaired. Either way just comparing the numbers of beneficial mutations vs harmful mutations hands down far more genetic disorders can be pointed to than benefits from mutations.

The theory takes faith to believe.

since you don't believe the planet is a billion years old ,making everything you posted a lie..another nice job of debunking your own shit.