Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[daws101]

An Extreme belief would be both animate and inanimate objects were developed from a natural unguided processes. An Extreme belief would be to believe that non living matter could produce life through unguided natural processes. All the order observed in the universe and on this planet it is an Extreme view to believe it just simply happened through natural unguided processes.

You have such Ideological views of reality.

OK ,slapdick, how is your pov any less Ideological than the evidence based model all rational people use?
don't use the bible as it's all Ideological...

My views are based on rationale, sorry chap.

ra·tion·ale [ ràshə nál ]
underlying reasons: the reasoning or principle that underlies or explains something, or a statement setting out this reasoning or principle...
problem is your rationale is not rational

ra·tion·al [ rásh'n'l ]
reasonable and sensible: governed by, or showing evidence of, clear and sensible thinking and judgment, based on reason rather than emotion or prejudice
able to think clearly and sensibly: able to think clearly and sensibly, unimpaired by physical or mental condition, strong emotion, or prejudice
in accordance with reason and logic: presented or understandable in terms that accord with reason and logic or with scientific knowledge

please note the difference.

 

[Youwerecreated]

that view has been explained to, you countless times...why do you need to rehash it.
you were wrong then.....and nothings changed.

You can't say wow that looks as though it was designed but it wasn't with no evidence to support it.

sure you can ,when you know there is no evidence of a creator..
a creator or god is a false assumption based on ignorance and fear..not evidence.

But you have no evidence it happened naturally, we have ourselves a conundrum. But I will agree with many scientists that admit to design.

Design in nature has brought many atheists to believing in a designer.

 

[Hollie]

An Extreme belief would be both animate and inanimate objects were developed from a natural unguided processes. An Extreme belief would be to believe that non living matter could produce life through unguided natural processes. All the order observed in the universe and on this planet it is an Extreme view to believe it just simply happened through natural unguided processes.

You have such Ideological views of reality.

There’s nothing at all “extremist” about understanding the natural world. There was quite a remarkable story not so long ago regarding the apparent discovery of an important protein found hitching a ride on a comet.

Comet dust harbors life's building blocks | Atom & Cosmos | Science News

A building block of proteins found in samples from an icy comet’s halo suggests that the ingredients of life could have hitched a ride to early Earth, researchers reported August 16 at a meeting of the American Chemical Society.

“The early Earth was bombarded with comets and meteorites,” says Jamie Elsila of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., who led the new analysis. “This is one more clue to what ingredients could have been present on the early Earth and how they could have gotten there.”

What religious extremists are not able to admit is that the methods of science have a pattern of shedding light into the dark recesses of the fundamentalist agenda that promotes fear and superstition.

Additionally, this slogan you have stolen from Christian extremist websites, “order observed in the universe”, is nonsense. Here again, this slogan, like so many others, has been shown to be a farce. Yet you continually cut and paste these silly slogans because of your inability to offer any coherent explanation for the natural world.

As we see with regularity, explaining to you some fairly simple concepts leaves you befuddled. You just repeat the same silly slogans as if your ability to lean has been severely stunted. We live in a profoundly violent and chaotic universe, but are spared direct experience with most of that chaos because it occurs on cosmic and geologic time scales, while we exist on a human time scale. This (luckily for us) means most of us live our lifetimes in the brief moments of calm between supernovae, asteroid impact, and cometary bombardment.

Remember Schumaker-Levy? How about that little dalliance that occurred on this planet 65 million years ago? These things have been pointed out to you repeatedly yet you are unable to address these issues. You do nothing more than repeat the same tired and false slogans you cut and paste from Harun Yahya.

And one of the most important questions challenging your extremist ideology is how you can remain so decidedly certain in your ignorance but call it ‘religious belief”. Yet you ignore all of this in your daily and stupendously stupid crusade against knowledge and rationality.

Other than your personal crusade to promote fear and ignorance, we still have nothing from you regarding how it is that the gods breathed life into clay thus making all of mankind.

Nonsense

That's actually a typical non-response from the religious extremist.

You're unable to address even a single, salient point so you're left with nothing to offer.

How typical. Absent cutting and pasting from extremist websites, you cant compose even a single coherent sentence.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Since nature does not give any such appearance of supernatural design, we can presume your subjective opinions derive from your extremist beliefs.

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique." (25)

There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His MindAntony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." (26)

Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

And yet again, the religious extremist posts edited, falsified, parsed and phony "quotes" from extremist Christian websites.

Just another example of how lies are and integral part of the extremist agenda.

Once again you make false accusations.

 

[daws101]

You don't ?

cir·cle
/ˈsərkəl/
Noun
A round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed center.
Verb
Move all the way around (someone or something), esp. more than once:
Synonyms
noun. ring - round - cycle - sphere
verb. revolve - surround - encircle - wheel - compass

https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

lol!

"the two dogs circle each other"; "we circled around the island". true ..but they did not sphere...

syn·o·nym [ sínnə nìm ]
word meaning same as another: a word that means the same, or almost the same, as another word in the same language, either in all of its uses or in a specific context.
alternative name: a word or expression that is used as another name for something in some styles of speaking or writing or to emphasize a specific aspect or association.
rejected duplicate taxonomic name: a duplicate taxonomic name that has been rejected or replaced

syn·o·nym
/ˈsinəˌnim/
Noun

A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a...
A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.


https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or nearly the same as another word....a circle and a sphere are related but not the same.
no matter how hard you wish it .

 

[Youwerecreated]

OK ,slapdick, how is your pov any less Ideological than the evidence based model all rational people use?
don't use the bible as it's all Ideological...

My views are based on rationale, sorry chap.

ra·tion·ale [ ràshə nál ]
underlying reasons: the reasoning or principle that underlies or explains something, or a statement setting out this reasoning or principle...
problem is your rationale is not rational

ra·tion·al [ rásh'n'l ]
reasonable and sensible: governed by, or showing evidence of, clear and sensible thinking and judgment, based on reason rather than emotion or prejudice
able to think clearly and sensibly: able to think clearly and sensibly, unimpaired by physical or mental condition, strong emotion, or prejudice
in accordance with reason and logic: presented or understandable in terms that accord with reason and logic or with scientific knowledge

please note the difference.

Observing nature it is rational to believe in design.

 

[Hollie]

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique." (25)

There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His MindAntony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." (26)

Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

And yet again, the religious extremist posts edited, falsified, parsed and phony "quotes" from extremist Christian websites.

Just another example of how lies are and integral part of the extremist agenda.

Once again you make false accusations.

Once again you are exposed as a liar.

There are other threads where your similarly cut and pasted "quotes" were shown to be frauds. Here you are again committing a fraud of lies and you have no issue with posting such lies.

Do the gods approve of lies and deceit? Your creationist ministries sure do. And you are just a clone of extremist liars.

 

[Hollie]

My views are based on rationale, sorry chap.

ra·tion·ale [ ràshə nál ]
underlying reasons: the reasoning or principle that underlies or explains something, or a statement setting out this reasoning or principle...
problem is your rationale is not rational

ra·tion·al [ rásh'n'l ]
reasonable and sensible: governed by, or showing evidence of, clear and sensible thinking and judgment, based on reason rather than emotion or prejudice
able to think clearly and sensibly: able to think clearly and sensibly, unimpaired by physical or mental condition, strong emotion, or prejudice
in accordance with reason and logic: presented or understandable in terms that accord with reason and logic or with scientific knowledge

please note the difference.

Observing nature it is rational to believe in design.

Only in the warped view of the extremist zealot.

 

[Hollie]

You can't say wow that looks as though it was designed but it wasn't with no evidence to support it.

sure you can ,when you know there is no evidence of a creator..
a creator or god is a false assumption based on ignorance and fear..not evidence.

But you have no evidence it happened naturally, we have ourselves a conundrum. But I will agree with many scientists that admit to design.

Design in nature has brought many atheists to believing in a designer.

Design in nature is a slogan that is perpetrated by religious extremists.

 

[daws101]

You can't say wow that looks as though it was designed but it wasn't with no evidence to support it.

sure you can ,when you know there is no evidence of a creator..
a creator or god is a false assumption based on ignorance and fear..not evidence.

But you have no evidence it happened naturally, we have ourselves a conundrum. But I will agree with many scientists that admit to design.

Design in nature has brought many atheists to believing in a designer.

lol!

that's some scientists and atheists (a miniscule number). but then again their believing is not relevant.

 

[daws101]

Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique." (25)

There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His MindAntony Flew (Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." (26)

Quotes from Scientists Regarding Design of the Universe

And yet again, the religious extremist posts edited, falsified, parsed and phony "quotes" from extremist Christian websites.

Just another example of how lies are and integral part of the extremist agenda.

Once again you make false accusations.

wrong! hollie's stating fact.
all you need to do is copy a line or two from any of your posts to know she's correct.

 

[Youwerecreated]

lol!

"the two dogs circle each other"; "we circled around the island". true ..but they did not sphere...

syn·o·nym [ sínnə nìm ]
word meaning same as another: a word that means the same, or almost the same, as another word in the same language, either in all of its uses or in a specific context.
alternative name: a word or expression that is used as another name for something in some styles of speaking or writing or to emphasize a specific aspect or association.
rejected duplicate taxonomic name: a duplicate taxonomic name that has been rejected or replaced

syn·o·nym
/ˈsinəˌnim/
Noun

A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a...
A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.


https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or nearly the same as another word....a circle and a sphere are related but not the same.
no matter how hard you wish it .

Remember the bible writing was from 3,500 years ago in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word was "chung" the word is used for both flat and non-flat shapes.

Sorry either way the bible writer at that time defined the earth correctly for the language available.

 

[Youwerecreated]

And yet again, the religious extremist posts edited, falsified, parsed and phony "quotes" from extremist Christian websites.

Just another example of how lies are and integral part of the extremist agenda.

Once again you make false accusations.

Once again you are exposed as a liar.

There are other threads where your similarly cut and pasted "quotes" were shown to be frauds. Here you are again committing a fraud of lies and you have no issue with posting such lies.

Do the gods approve of lies and deceit? Your creationist ministries sure do. And you are just a clone of extremist liars.

Prove it.

 

[Hollie]

Once again you make false accusations.

Once again you are exposed as a liar.

There are other threads where your similarly cut and pasted "quotes" were shown to be frauds. Here you are again committing a fraud of lies and you have no issue with posting such lies.

Do the gods approve of lies and deceit? Your creationist ministries sure do. And you are just a clone of extremist liars.

Prove it.

Sure will.

Your "quote" from Antony Flew is a fraud. Like many of the lies you post, you mindlessly cut and paste from extremist websites which are as careless and as fraudulent as you are.

Antony Flew Considers God...Sort Of

 

[daws101]

My views are based on rationale, sorry chap.

ra·tion·ale [ ràshə nál ]
underlying reasons: the reasoning or principle that underlies or explains something, or a statement setting out this reasoning or principle...
problem is your rationale is not rational

ra·tion·al [ rásh'n'l ]
reasonable and sensible: governed by, or showing evidence of, clear and sensible thinking and judgment, based on reason rather than emotion or prejudice
able to think clearly and sensibly: able to think clearly and sensibly, unimpaired by physical or mental condition, strong emotion, or prejudice
in accordance with reason and logic: presented or understandable in terms that accord with reason and logic or with scientific knowledge

please note the difference.

Observing nature it is rational to believe in design.

wrong! your "observation" of nature is not objective. it's tainted by your indoctrination.
therefore it's bias and erroneous.

 

[Hollie]

syn·o·nym
/ˈsinəˌnim/
Noun

A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a...
A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.


https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or nearly the same as another word....a circle and a sphere are related but not the same.
no matter how hard you wish it .

Remember the bible writing was from 3,500 years ago in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word was "chung" the word is used for both flat and non-flat shapes.

Sorry either way the bible writer at that time defined the earth correctly for the language available.

Yet another fraud from the religious extremist. As you're clueless, I'll offer an assist. The bibles nowhere describe the earth as a sphere. It's pretty typical for you to resort to lies when your earlier lies are exposed.

 

[Youwerecreated]

And yet again, the religious extremist posts edited, falsified, parsed and phony "quotes" from extremist Christian websites.

Just another example of how lies are and integral part of the extremist agenda.

Once again you make false accusations.

wrong! hollie's stating fact.
all you need to do is copy a line or two from any of your posts to know she's correct.

"I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science"

Talk:Wernher von Braun - Wikiquote

 

[daws101]

syn·o·nym
/ˈsinəˌnim/
Noun

A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a...
A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.


https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or nearly the same as another word....a circle and a sphere are related but not the same.
no matter how hard you wish it .

Remember the bible writing was from 3,500 years ago in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word was "chung" the word is used for both flat and non-flat shapes.

Sorry either way the bible writer at that time defined the earth correctly for the language available.

bullshit!The Hebrew word for circle is chuwg and has a primary meaning of circle (no lexicons I have read give the primary or secondary meaning as sphere). The point was argued to me that there was no ancient Hebrew word for sphere, so chuwg (circle) was used in its place. This is total baloney and here is why. There are in fact numerous passages in the bible where a sphere is described, in Isaiah 22:18 it describes Yahveh ”will turn and toss you like a ball…” A ball is ALWAYS without exception a sphere. The Hebrew word translated as ball by the way, is duwr (I am studying ancient Hebrew). Furthermore, in no mathematical or geometrical sense is a circle ever a sphere, and would not an omniscient and omnipotent being know this? Most Bibles translate that bit of scripture correctly as circle and not sphere.

 

[alpine]

Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

Well, because it is not.

And to be honest it doesn't have to be.

If you think being scientific is sooooo important, than you should believe in science, which doesn't give you any certainty in life whatsoever. You don't feel comfortable with that? than get yurself a religion. This is a free country and nobody cares what you believe or not believe in.

But you still are not satisfied and want to have your religion labeled as "scientific", just because it sounds cool I guess?

Well, you have to realize, anything that you label as "scientific" is doomed to fail, just like others failed before. Whatever you see as scientific right now will be proved not accurate at some point in time, just like how others got proven not to be accurate, by our more accurate technology providing us more and more details in each step. And it will never end, till humanity gives up looking more and more into details. Once you go more deeper in detail, again and again you will see another detail that will change your assumptions from before.

I don't really get why someone would want any of this in his/her religion. You have the perfect answer, god created man, and yet you still are not satisfied...

 

[Hollie]

syn·o·nym
/ˈsinəˌnim/
Noun

A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a...
A person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.


https://www.google.com/search?q=def...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or nearly the same as another word....a circle and a sphere are related but not the same.
no matter how hard you wish it .

Remember the bible writing was from 3,500 years ago in the Hebrew language. The Hebrew word was "chung" the word is used for both flat and non-flat shapes.

Sorry either way the bible writer at that time defined the earth correctly for the language available.

The bible writer from 3,500 years ago was writing Hebrew scripture that was later co-opted by Christianity.

You're not even clear as to what religion you're describing.

What a dolt!