Why is wanting to keep what you earned greed, but wanting what you didn't earn isn't?

[martybegan]

Reagan gave more tax breaks to corporations than Roosevelt.

Do the math.

Don't care.. I do not support corporate welfare no matter if Reagan gave 'tax breaks' or not... I do not live and die by Reagan, nor do I think he was 100% right

And BTW, a tax break is not an entitlement or welfare... a bailout or a subsidy is welfare.. and it is much different than lowering the tax rate

Tax breaks on corporations are the exact same thing as welfare. And the exact same thing as an entitlement.

Corporations make far more use of infrastructure, the justice system and a plethora of other goodies that a funded by citizens then the citizens who fund them.

In other words..they are getting a free ride where none is deserved.

The only way one can see a tax break as an entitlement is if one sees the government as actually owning your production and your livelyhood, and then generously "giving you more back" when they lower your taxes.

So basically, a communist.

 

[RDD_1210]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The power to collect taxes, raise money, etc... pretty self explanatory

To pay the debts and provide for the defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES... the union... when the 'people' 'persons' or 'citizens' are meant in the constitution, those words are used.... this is to provide for the UNION...

next phrase after the semi colon... explains that it shall be equal...

then.. GET THIS.. MORE PUNCTUATION.. to SHOW the LIST of things that it is SPECIFICALLY supposed to be used for.... You notice things did not end with a FUCKING PERIOD.....

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope. nothing in there about taking care of people's personal needs.. nothing in there about personal entitlements or insurance.. nothing in there for a catch all safety net or safety hammock...

Then the 10th amendment limits the federal government to the specific granted powers and reserves all other powers for the states and/or the people.. NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD PEOPLE... THEY USE IT WHEN THEY MEAN IT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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So that specific list doesn't mention anything about Nuclear weapons. I assume you oppose us spending any money on them.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

Not wanting to contribute to the society that you benefit from is greed

Contributing to society is one thing and something I agree with. But, contributing to society is not to be used as a blank check to spend everyone's money so as to eliminate the middle class and limit prosperity for a select elite while the masses are appeased with the perception that everything is fair.

 

[Sallow]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The power to collect taxes, raise money, etc... pretty self explanatory

To pay the debts and provide for the defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES... the union... when the 'people' 'persons' or 'citizens' are meant in the constitution, those words are used.... this is to provide for the UNION...

next phrase after the semi colon... explains that it shall be equal...

then.. GET THIS.. MORE PUNCTUATION.. to SHOW the LIST of things that it is SPECIFICALLY supposed to be used for.... You notice things did not end with a FUCKING PERIOD.....

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope. nothing in there about taking care of people's personal needs.. nothing in there about personal entitlements or insurance.. nothing in there for a catch all safety net or safety hammock...

Then the 10th amendment limits the federal government to the specific granted powers and reserves all other powers for the states and/or the people.. NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD PEOPLE... THEY USE IT WHEN THEY MEAN IT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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You keep posting this shit without reading it.

The "enumerated powers" aren't specific.

They are pretty vast.

And here's the clincher..Davey.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Section 10.

No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

Boom..yeah.

 

[DiamondDave]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The power to collect taxes, raise money, etc... pretty self explanatory

To pay the debts and provide for the defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES... the union... when the 'people' 'persons' or 'citizens' are meant in the constitution, those words are used.... this is to provide for the UNION...

next phrase after the semi colon... explains that it shall be equal...

then.. GET THIS.. MORE PUNCTUATION.. to SHOW the LIST of things that it is SPECIFICALLY supposed to be used for.... You notice things did not end with a FUCKING PERIOD.....

The list begins with the first thing mentioned after "Congress shall have the power". Each power is distinct and stands on its own. Including the first clause.

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope. nothing in there about taking care of people's personal needs.. nothing in there about personal entitlements or insurance.. nothing in there for a catch all safety net or safety hammock...

Then the 10th amendment limits the federal government to the specific granted powers and reserves all other powers for the states and/or the people.. NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD PEOPLE... THEY USE IT WHEN THEY MEAN IT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

All you did was take the list of enumerated powers and remove the first one because you don't like it.

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That's nice you think that and all but your opinion carries no legal weight whatsoever. In our system, when a citizen disputes the meaning of the Constitution with the government, the courts settle the issue, not DiamondDave. Are you aware this is how it works?

I left out no enumerated power.. I started right from the top...

As stated.. the judiciary unconstitutionally grabbed the power.. the power comes from the states thru the vehicle of the constitution... it is not unlimited power and specific negations.. it is limited powers with an all encompassing negation... like a deny rule after specific allow rules in a firewall... The constitution is supposed to be our firewall... our power hungry government and government officials have punched holes in it relentlessly to weaken it

 

[DiamondDave]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The power to collect taxes, raise money, etc... pretty self explanatory

To pay the debts and provide for the defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES... the union... when the 'people' 'persons' or 'citizens' are meant in the constitution, those words are used.... this is to provide for the UNION...

next phrase after the semi colon... explains that it shall be equal...

then.. GET THIS.. MORE PUNCTUATION.. to SHOW the LIST of things that it is SPECIFICALLY supposed to be used for.... You notice things did not end with a FUCKING PERIOD.....

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope. nothing in there about taking care of people's personal needs.. nothing in there about personal entitlements or insurance.. nothing in there for a catch all safety net or safety hammock...

Then the 10th amendment limits the federal government to the specific granted powers and reserves all other powers for the states and/or the people.. NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD PEOPLE... THEY USE IT WHEN THEY MEAN IT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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You keep posting this shit without reading it.

The "enumerated powers" aren't specific.

They are pretty vast.

And here's the clincher..Davey.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
Section 10.

No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

Boom..yeah.

The enumerated powers are VERY specific

The laws are limited by the powers granted.. not the other way around...

Your boom was an explosion in your one hand

 

[DiamondDave]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The power to collect taxes, raise money, etc... pretty self explanatory

To pay the debts and provide for the defense and general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES... the union... when the 'people' 'persons' or 'citizens' are meant in the constitution, those words are used.... this is to provide for the UNION...

next phrase after the semi colon... explains that it shall be equal...

then.. GET THIS.. MORE PUNCTUATION.. to SHOW the LIST of things that it is SPECIFICALLY supposed to be used for.... You notice things did not end with a FUCKING PERIOD.....

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope. nothing in there about taking care of people's personal needs.. nothing in there about personal entitlements or insurance.. nothing in there for a catch all safety net or safety hammock...

Then the 10th amendment limits the federal government to the specific granted powers and reserves all other powers for the states and/or the people.. NOTICE THE USE OF THE WORD PEOPLE... THEY USE IT WHEN THEY MEAN IT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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So that specific list doesn't mention anything about Nuclear weapons. I assume you oppose us spending any money on them.

To raise and support Armies

Support ... to finance.. supply what is needed... otherwise known as to fund to arm the military.. the nuke is an arm used for offense or defense by the military.. just like a bullet.. just like a ball bearing used in a claymore mine.. just like a grenade.. just like a rifle scope... etc

You are grasping at straws

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Corporate tax breaks above ACTUAL HARD COSTS of doing business are as a matter of fact a malignant form of welfare. Goodwill, buying carryforwards, etc.? All bogus.

Want evidence: which group is holding more welfare in savings: corporations -- estimated cash being held out of the economy, +/- $1.5kkkk; estimated cash being held out of the economy by the total of all pure welfare recipients in the United States: zero

 

[francoHFW]

"Provide for the general welfare of the United States" is SPECIFIC? LOL.

OP- NOBODY wants to be on welfare- EVERYBODY would like a good job, hater dupes.

Next year EVERY job includes health care, but $11 should be the min wage (=1968's min wage, before greedy idiot Pubs started ANEW their war on the nonrich...). TY Dems.

 

[kwc57]

They're listed right next to where it says my tax dollars can be used for nuclear weapons.

Providing for an Army/Navy is provided for under the consitution. (The Air Force was originally part of the Army).

As is welfare and unemployment.

Cut and paste it and be specific.

 

[Erand7899]

Corporate tax breaks above ACTUAL HARD COSTS of doing business are as a matter of fact a malignant form of welfare. Goodwill, buying carryforwards, etc.? All bogus.

Want evidence: which group is holding more welfare in savings: corporations -- estimated cash being held out of the economy, +/- $1.5kkkk; estimated cash being held out of the economy by the total of all pure welfare recipients in the United States: zero

Tax breaks are legal deductions from taxable income, and are no more welfare than the paycheck you get from your employer.

 

[kwc57]

I don't get it liberals, please explain

Depends on who you are talking about.

But most CEOs?

They don't earn shit.

Uh-huh......and the pilot doesn't fly the plane either......it's the stewardess.

 

[kwc57]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

If you'll read their numerous daily posts, you'll know they do.

 

[JQPublic1]

Greed and envy are two different vices. I for one can't understand why people are unwilling to accept that some people work harder and are rewarded accordingly, and others feel they are entitled to the fruits of ones labor and sweat. Envy should spur one to work harder and apply ones self, but in today's world it translates into gaining the most with the least amount of effort.

Hmmm, The ditch diggers, construction workers and oil field roughnecks might appreciate that praise but labor does not command anything close to the salaries and bonuses the do nothing executives get while lounging in their air-conditioned ivory towers or chasing their secretaries around the office. And if the laborer is lucky, he will retire in fair health and receive a paltry pension
that, thanks to OBAMA CARE, might even allow him to maintain his accustomed lifestyle after that catastrophic illness.

 

[kwc57]

How true.....those 40% of Americans who share only 2 tenths of a percent of our wealth are being greedy

The answer is right here. To LOlberals, everything you earn belongs to everyone. You didn't build that. it's not yours, it belongs to the government we (not all of us mind you, only those int eh mob who voted. Not even a majority of citizens) elected. LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

What wrongringer would really like to say is, "it's greedy because all the wealth belongs to the government WE elected and therefore, if you dont want to contribute to "our" society, you're a greedy bastard deserving of a gun pointed in your face and have it taken from you if you fail to comply."

The question at hand is who is being "greedy"

The person who shares 2 tenths of a percent of our nations wealth with 40% of Americans and is unable to contribute much to taxzes

or

The person in the one percent who controls 34.6% of our wealth and bitches about contributing to our society


You decide

Shares? You really do believe wealth is finite don't you? That there is only so much to go around and the wealthy have taken it from the poor and only out of the kindness of their cold dead hearts allow the poor to have two tenths percent? The wealthy are theives. I'm afraid you may not be intelligent enough to educate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The court has no constitutionally provided power to do such a thing.. AS SHOWN BY THE POWERS GRANTED IN THE CONSTITUTION

The court has no power to determine the Constitutionality of a law? lol! What civics class did you take that teaches this?

To have the power, the fed would have to have it specifically enumerated.. It is not (and please, no leaving off the text after the word "welfare" from article 1 section 8)... the 10th amendment then reserves all other powers that are not specifically granted to the fed to the states and/or the people..

It is specifically enumerated in Article I Section 8 Clause 1.

You state the power is granted.. Just show the text that says so... it is NOT granted.. it is a power that the court took upon itself.. Against the powers granted

It is not specifically enumerated.. perhaps you should fucking realize that there are fucking things written after the fucking word WELFARE in article 1 section 8....

c'mon.. show us WHERE it is granted...

Article III - The Judicial Branch

Section 1 - Judicial powers

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2 - Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials

(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.) (This section in parentheses is modified by the 11th Amendment.)

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Section 3 - Treason Note

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment 7 - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 11 - Judicial Limits. Ratified 2/7/1795. Note History

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

If there is nothing in the Constitution giving anyone the power determine constitutionality of laws,

then constitutionality is rendered meaningless. In your world, a state could outlaw all gun ownership without fear of running afoul of the Constitution,

because in your world there is no authority to determine and thus void laws on the grounds of their being unconstitutional.

 

[Mac1958]

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"Provide for the General Welfare" = The government can do whateverthe hell it wants under the guise of "helping" people. Like it or not, tough shit.

At least that's how some interpret it.

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[francoHFW]

LOLberals do not believe in self ownership or private property, they believe in communal ownership as dictated by the government.

That is not what I believe.
Do any of you other liberals believe this?

If you'll read their numerous daily posts, you'll know they do.

You're a brainwashed functional moron, hater dupe. A GOP plan for health reform (as if they would ever actually vote out the scam we have now) is not communism, nor is ANY regulation...let alone a bit of fairness for customers, the non rich, and workers...

 

[MikeK]

Well OK then. The federal government isn'tdoing that. The federal government doesn't tax wealth - it taxes income. And no one is suggesting a federal property tax or any other such thing that would directly tax wealth. So what are you whining about exactly?

At least one I know of is suggesting the direct taxation of accumulated wealth. Me. I advocate IRS confiscation of all assets valued in excess of twenty million dollars.

But I know the majority of Americans will be outraged by that recommendation because they have been gradually but effectively indoctrinated into the cult of greed which has become the virtual religion of this once proud Nation. They won't give the concept a moment's thought but will react to it with programmed indignation.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Well OK then. The federal government isn'tdoing that. The federal government doesn't tax wealth - it taxes income. And no one is suggesting a federal property tax or any other such thing that would directly tax wealth. So what are you whining about exactly?

At least one I know of is suggesting the direct taxation of accumulated wealth. Me. I advocate IRS confiscation of all assets valued in excess of twenty million dollars.

But I know the majority of Americans will be outraged by that recommendation because they have been gradually but effectively indoctrinated into the cult of greed which has become the virtual religion of this once proud Nation. They won't give the concept a moment's thought but will react to it with programmed indignation.

20 million is too much why does anyone need anymore than a million ?