Why JFKs Roman Catholic faith is ns not the same as Romneys Mormanism

[Gadawg73]

But I will let you in on some of my business which you accuse me of greed and sticking my nose in other peoples' business.
I worked a case where a man that had Cigna HMO was hurt very bad in an accident. Cigna had a certain hospital only in his area that was in his HMO plan. Instead of taking him to the hospital 2 miles down the road they the EMTs had his card and tried to take him there, showed up there with him but the hospital would not admit him due to Cigna not going to pay on the HMO. He died in route to the other hospital.
Now tell us oh wise Joe, the almighty determiner of what is fair compensation and what is not:
How much would you award the family for this gross negligence and liability?
And I will use this case as Exhibit A how the system works in the free market.

 

[kaz]

Hey, you know what, I don't think the business owner should have MORE rights than me or LESS rights than me

To you fair is you can quit and go anywhere else any time you want. They can't fire you because that's "greed." Actually you do demand a system where rights are not equal.

Corporate raiders are good for the economy. They dissect businesses that the sum of the parts is greater then the whole. In other words, they are being managed poorly. That drives economic efficiency. There is nothing they do that harms the economy.

Bullshit. YOu are a brainwashed little consumer-bot parroting the idiot line that they are so much smarter than you are... when all they've done is won's life's lottery. Get real.

Economic efficiency gives the most opportunity to everyone because it has the highest productivity and creates the most wealth. What's funny is you think all employees are the same, so employers can pay whatever they want and replace them. You think you're pro-worker, but you're actually an anti-worker bigot, Comrade. Actually, good employees are very valuable and we pay and do what we have to attract and keep them. That money only flows up is just your little ignorant Marxist dogma.

Also a tip, maybe if you didn't spend all day at your job surfing porn and jerking off then you wouldn't have to run to Obama to keep your employer from firing you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where and when did your 52 percent come from? My 36.2 figure was from last year.

{In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector. }

Union Members Summary

 

[Uncensored2008]

Japanese executives also don't make eight figure salaries, nor do they insist on getting their bonuses when the companies loose money and have to lay people off. They have something called a sense of decency.

Unlike Mitt "I like to fire people" Romney.

You're full of shit.

First off, 8 digit means in excess of one billion. Virtually no U.S. CEO get that level of compensation. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, but they were not professional management teams, they founded their businesses.

Also, my first query revealed that Katsunori Nagayasu, CEO of Mitsubishi, has a total compensation package in the mid 7 figures, commensurate with any top American exec.

As usual, what you leftists post are complete lies.

 

[JoeB131]

So you believe management goes in to the Board of Directors and states "I insist on a large salary and a large bonus. If I do not get one I will hold my breath until I pass out."
Sorry Joe, that is not how business works in America.
Your union buddies are bull shitting you the gullible and naive fellow you are.

GUy, there's always a mechanism by which things happen. A mechanism doesn't make it okay.

There was a mechanism by which the German government came to the conclusion systematically trying to exterminate millions of people was a great idea when they were trying to win a war. Somehow, to the people involved, this even made sense in a strange sort of way. It was still wrong and it was still stupid.

Usually, what I have found is that when something stupid is done, it is because no one qeustions it.

 

[JoeB131]

Japanese executives also don't make eight figure salaries, nor do they insist on getting their bonuses when the companies loose money and have to lay people off. They have something called a sense of decency.

Unlike Mitt "I like to fire people" Romney.

You're full of shit.

First off, 8 digit means in excess of one billion. Virtually no U.S. CEO get that level of compensation. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, but they were not professional management teams, they founded their businesses.

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No, that would be ten digits.

5 Digits 10,000
6 digits 100,000
7 digits 1,000,000
8 digits 10,000,000 That's ten million.

9 digits- 100,000,000 million
10 digits.... 1,000,000,000.

Obviously, they didn't teach you math at whatever Christian Home-skule you went to.

 

[JoeB131]

But I will let you in on some of my business which you accuse me of greed and sticking my nose in other peoples' business.
I worked a case where a man that had Cigna HMO was hurt very bad in an accident. Cigna had a certain hospital only in his area that was in his HMO plan. Instead of taking him to the hospital 2 miles down the road they the EMTs had his card and tried to take him there, showed up there with him but the hospital would not admit him due to Cigna not going to pay on the HMO. He died in route to the other hospital.
Now tell us oh wise Joe, the almighty determiner of what is fair compensation and what is not:
How much would you award the family for this gross negligence and liability?
And I will use this case as Exhibit A how the system works in the free market.

What kind of argument are you trying to make here, Spanky.

The hospital should have did its job and saved his life, and then let some bureaucrat haggle it out with Cigna latter. But the point was, obviously this hospital had learned the hard way that getting money out of Cigna is like getting blood from a stone.

(Incidently, my last job, the one where they mysteriously downsized me after I ran up too many medical bills. Their carrier? Cigna!)

The problem here was Cigna. Ed Hanaway earned that 72 million by controlling costs and refusing treatments as a policy. And if a few of the wage slaves die, well, fuck them.

 

[Gadawg73]

But I will let you in on some of my business which you accuse me of greed and sticking my nose in other peoples' business.
I worked a case where a man that had Cigna HMO was hurt very bad in an accident. Cigna had a certain hospital only in his area that was in his HMO plan. Instead of taking him to the hospital 2 miles down the road they the EMTs had his card and tried to take him there, showed up there with him but the hospital would not admit him due to Cigna not going to pay on the HMO. He died in route to the other hospital.
Now tell us oh wise Joe, the almighty determiner of what is fair compensation and what is not:
How much would you award the family for this gross negligence and liability?
And I will use this case as Exhibit A how the system works in the free market.

What kind of argument are you trying to make here, Spanky.

The hospital should have did its job and saved his life, and then let some bureaucrat haggle it out with Cigna latter. But the point was, obviously this hospital had learned the hard way that getting money out of Cigna is like getting blood from a stone.

(Incidently, my last job, the one where they mysteriously downsized me after I ran up too many medical bills. Their carrier? Cigna!)

The problem here was Cigna. Ed Hanaway earned that 72 million by controlling costs and refusing treatments as a policy. And if a few of the wage slaves die, well, fuck them.

Obviously someone else pays your health insurance as you have no clue how the real world operates. Imagine that.
The problem was Cigna POLICY. It cost a man his life and we changed it.
To the tune of 2 million for the value of his life to his family and 4 million punitive damages.
And most importantly, they changed their policy the next day.
Why? THEIR STOCKHOLDERS DEMANDED IT. Why? It cost the shareholders, ordinary folks, decreased dividends.
The free market, something union folk can not get a grasp on.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously someone else pays your health insurance as you have no clue how the real world operates. Imagine that.
The problem was Cigna POLICY. It cost a man his life and we changed it.
To the tune of 2 million for the value of his life to his family and 4 million punitive damages.
And most importantly, they changed their policy the next day.
Why? THEIR STOCKHOLDERS DEMANDED IT. Why? It cost the shareholders, ordinary folks, decreased dividends.
The free market, something union folk can not get a grasp on.

WHy should it take decreased dividends to get a corporation to do the right thing?

Why not just do the right thing, instead of waiting for a sleazy ambulance chaser to get you to do the right thing?

Going back to the case where the 17 year old Natalie Sarkisyan died because Cigna refused her liver transplant. At the last minute, Hanaway changed his mind after a lot of bad press and authorized it, but the girl was too far gone and died anyway. Her father sued, but since the contract was between Cigna and his employer, he had no real standing. His employer didn't really give a shit his daughter died.

you know, I'm not a fan of religion and I don't believe in a God, but sometimes the bible thumpers have it right. Greed is a sin. We should always try to do the right thing.

I always try to do the right thing, not necessarily the thing that benefits me personally. It's just common decency.

 

[Robodoon]

Approx one third of US citizens in 1960 were Catholics.

Well today it really is, the Catholic leadership and Morman Leadership really is on the same page. Remember leadership is not the same as followers...

 

[Gadawg73]

Obviously someone else pays your health insurance as you have no clue how the real world operates. Imagine that.
The problem was Cigna POLICY. It cost a man his life and we changed it.
To the tune of 2 million for the value of his life to his family and 4 million punitive damages.
And most importantly, they changed their policy the next day.
Why? THEIR STOCKHOLDERS DEMANDED IT. Why? It cost the shareholders, ordinary folks, decreased dividends.
The free market, something union folk can not get a grasp on.

WHy should it take decreased dividends to get a corporation to do the right thing?

Why not just do the right thing, instead of waiting for a sleazy ambulance chaser to get you to do the right thing?

Going back to the case where the 17 year old Natalie Sarkisyan died because Cigna refused her liver transplant. At the last minute, Hanaway changed his mind after a lot of bad press and authorized it, but the girl was too far gone and died anyway. Her father sued, but since the contract was between Cigna and his employer, he had no real standing. His employer didn't really give a shit his daughter died.

you know, I'm not a fan of religion and I don't believe in a God, but sometimes the bible thumpers have it right. Greed is a sin. We should always try to do the right thing.

I always try to do the right thing, not necessarily the thing that benefits me personally. It's just common decency.

It shouldn't but that made it happen.

What is the net result of your capabilities?
$$$$.
Define greed and who gets to define it?
You, me, the government?
Who determines what is enough and what is the line?
Government?
SCARY SHIT.
Greed is as vague a term as there is. You can not define it.

 

[madasheck]

Where and when did your 52 percent come from? My 36.2 figure was from last year.

{In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector. }

Union Members Summary

Um, there's no mention of 52 percent there. The closest is 42 percent. Is that what you meant? (Not trying to needle you, just make it clear, at least to me.)

Here's the full paragraph from the same link you posted:

In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public
sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private
sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers
had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in
heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
Private sector industries with high unionization rates included transportation and
utilities (21.8 percent), telecommunications (15.8 percent), and construction (13.1
percent). In 2010, low unionization rates occurred in agriculture and related indus-
tries (1.6 percent) and in financial activities (2.0 percent). (See table 3.)

 

[JoeB131]

WHy should it take decreased dividends to get a corporation to do the right thing?

Why not just do the right thing, instead of waiting for a sleazy ambulance chaser to get you to do the right thing?

Going back to the case where the 17 year old Natalie Sarkisyan died because Cigna refused her liver transplant. At the last minute, Hanaway changed his mind after a lot of bad press and authorized it, but the girl was too far gone and died anyway. Her father sued, but since the contract was between Cigna and his employer, he had no real standing. His employer didn't really give a shit his daughter died.

you know, I'm not a fan of religion and I don't believe in a God, but sometimes the bible thumpers have it right. Greed is a sin. We should always try to do the right thing.

I always try to do the right thing, not necessarily the thing that benefits me personally. It's just common decency.

It shouldn't but that made it happen.

What is the net result of your capabilities?
$$$$.
Define greed and who gets to define it?
You, me, the government?
Who determines what is enough and what is the line?
Government?
SCARY SHIT.
Greed is as vague a term as there is. You can not define it.

It's like the old standard on pornography. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

The problem was, Cigna might have changed policy, but Hanaway still got his big severance package, didn't he? So really, no real effect. His policy of finding ways to not pay for coverage people thought they were getting paid dividends, so he got his reward.

In a decent society, people would spit on him on the street.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Um, there's no mention of 52 percent there.

Wow, really?

7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector.

7.6+7.1=14.7

7.6/14.7=51.7 (.517*100)

Basic rounding, 5>7

52%

You voted for Obama, dinja?

The closest is 42 percent. Is that what you meant? (Not trying to needle you, just make it clear, at least to me.)

Here's the full paragraph from the same link you posted:

In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public
sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private
sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers
had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in
heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
Private sector industries with high unionization rates included transportation and
utilities (21.8 percent), telecommunications (15.8 percent), and construction (13.1
percent). In 2010, low unionization rates occurred in agriculture and related indus-
tries (1.6 percent) and in financial activities (2.0 percent). (See table 3.)

 

[madasheck]

Um, there's no mention of 52 percent there.

Wow, really?

7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector.

7.6+7.1=14.7

7.6/14.7=51.7 (.517*100)

Basic rounding, 5>7

52%

You voted for Obama, dinja?

The closest is 42 percent. Is that what you meant? (Not trying to needle you, just make it clear, at least to me.)

Here's the full paragraph from the same link you posted:

In 2010, 7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector. The union membership rate for public
sector workers (36.2 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private
sector workers (6.9 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers
had the highest union membership rate, 42.3 percent. This group includes workers in
heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.
Private sector industries with high unionization rates included transportation and
utilities (21.8 percent), telecommunications (15.8 percent), and construction (13.1
percent). In 2010, low unionization rates occurred in agriculture and related indus-
tries (1.6 percent) and in financial activities (2.0 percent). (See table 3.)

Thanks for clearing it up that it was a typing error.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, there's no mention of 52 percent there.

Wow, really?

7.6 million public sector employees belonged to a union, compared with 7.1
million union workers in the private sector.

7.6+7.1=14.7

7.6/14.7=51.7 (.517*100)

Basic rounding, 5>7

52%

You voted for Obama, dinja?
]

Um,,, you're the one who thinks that 8 figures equals a billion.