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Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

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This is the OP. This what you will discuss. You can do as asked or end up banned from his thread, it is your choice. Laugh all you want, but I'll be laughing last.

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism. But what liberals may not fully appreciate is the degree to which the rest of America is still deep within a post-racial haze.

New research from social psychologists at Yale and Northwestern Universities reveals that Americans—especially rich, white Americans—greatly overestimate how much racial progress we have made toward economic equality. Averaging across 5 economic measures, the researchers find that Americans estimate that we have made about 25 percent more progress toward black-white economic equality than we actually have made.

Worse still, Americans are most inaccurate on the most important economic measure—wealth. Scholars have come to recognize that wealth—the value of assets minus debts—is the most important measure of a family’s overall economic well-being. The social psychologists find that Americans overestimate our progress toward black-white wealth equality by about 80 percent. Today, for every dollar of wealth that whites have, blacks have only a few cents. "

" For those who believe that black people are already equal with white people, any policy that seeks to address anti-black discrimination looks like an attempt to give blacks an advantage over whites. Many Americans, particularly Republicans, believe that today there is more discrimination against white people than against black people.

Because so many Americans are not grounded in the reality of American racism, the call for a “conversation on race” is a bad idea. We need Americans to go on fact-finding missions on racism, not try to engage in conversation when there is no agreement on the basic facts.

We have to be aware that because we are a segregated society, many white people learn about black people from the media. Some white people see prominent, highly successful black people in movies and on television and assume that those individuals are indicative of the economic standing of African Americans. Also, there is right-wing media that consciously tries to mislead white Americans about racism and to foster a sense of white victimization. We have to find ways to penetrate Americans’ information bubbles. "

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

This is America to hear most of you tell it, we should be way beyond this.
 
You are dumb. Human rights violations were committed against us by those looking like you and those looking like you made laws to allow it.



1. Against you? Unlikely.

2. And my sharing a skin tone with those who did human rights violations, generations ago, means nothing. I am not responsible for their actions any more than I am for Jane Fonda's (who also shares a similar skin tone)

Nothing Jane Fonda has ever done reflects on me, and visa versa.

You want racial oppression against whites.


And I wonder where all the white libs are. What do they think of this?

Or the "moderates"? LOL!!

Those tare the real dumbasses. That think that you are harmless and can be safely ignored and coddled.

The United Nations released its final report this week outlining a host of concerns about the treatment of African-Americans in the United States.

In short, it isn’t pretty, and it’s a reflection of what many activists have been saying for a long time.

The 22-page document issued by the U.N. Working Group includes 37 “manifestations of racial discrimination” in criminal justice, health care, education, and more.

Many of the conclusions relate to criminal justice, specifically policing and incarceration and their relation to history.

"In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent," the report states. "Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching. Impunity for State violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency"

The U.S. Owes African-Americans Reparations, Says U.N. Report

So when you read the report let me know if the UN says that we are to be paid Corrells money for violations that ended centuries ago just because we are black.


I consider the UN to be an enemy organization, and them siding with you, does not do you credit in my eyes.


Their assertions are no more credible than your own.

I don't give a fuck what you consider.


Their unsupported assertions do not make your case.


They are unsupported, bullshit assertions.

Their assertions are well supported.
 
This thread is not abut slavery

Post number 6 below is YOURS:

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And the person you responded to referred to slavery to Jim Crow laws, NOT slavery - that was all you.

I’m not surprised you want to drop your favourite subject now though :lol:
 
This thread is not abut slavery and I'm tired of you white mother fuckers turning every thread into your fake news about the African side of the slave trade. I know all about slavery in Africa. For example a slave became a king, that's how slavery operated there. It was not the whitebread chattel slavery whereby a person was a slave for their entire fucking life, then their children and grandchildren were slaves. This shit you uneducated stormfront losers post is far from the truth. Stay on topic or you get reported. Pay me if you want at your own peril.


In a thread about why we are not making progress against racism,


you support racial oppression, based on skin color.


Pointing out the skin color of the African side of the slave trade is as relevant as you pointing out the skin color of the American side of the slave trade.
 
The US doesn't abide by the World Court. Better luck next time.

As for blacks seeking reparation for things that never happened to them, it's a non-starter. My white ancestors were serfs back in the old country, as a white person, I don't own anyone anything. Same goes for every white person alive today. They had nothing to do with it either, so why should they pay?

And anyways, what do you call food stamps, medicare and welfare? Sounds like some sort of on-going reparations.
The World Court will still be around 50 years from now when whites are a minority in this country. The WC might be more powerful as a result by then. Or..maybe egalitarianism might eliminate the need or desire for reparations by then.
It's just about getting even with whites, ANY whites. You're just another angry racist. That you think that your kind will get their way EVER in this country is flat out delusional.

White boy have you lost your mind? Do you think you have the right to do to people what whites have done and we just take it? And why should we not have economic parity with whites?
Because you're all allergic to hard work.

LOL! Coming from a descendant of people given everything by the government, that's rich.
Stop living in a fantasy world, I worked for what I have. So did successful blacks. You want something given to you? It's called welfare. Go line up.
 
This thread is not abut slavery

Post number 6 - YOURS

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And the person you responded to referred to slavery to Jim Crow laws, NOT slavery - that was all you.

I’m not surprised you want to drop your favourite subject now though :lol:

Wrote this a couple years ago...didn't get much traction...

The past is prologue.

It's a classic "sins of the father" scenario.

Slavery to Jim Crow to Separate but Equal...segregation thwarted assimilation, and now instead of regional American cultures that blend together at the edges, African-Americans have...thru segregationist policies...developed their own distinct culture with sharp and distinct boundaries within the older regional culture.

And it is literally the inequities of our father upon black slaves and later free black men (and women) that are being visited upon us...the generations that followed.

How can we unring that bell? Appalachia has maintained it's own distinct culture since the dawn of the nation, despite the more "sophisticated" [ :lol: ] Northeast's attempts to quash it. As has Massachusetts and NYC and Virginia and the South and the Ozarks etc. Once a culture is established, it's self perpetuating.

So the real question is...here we are, now what?

I Apologize for Slavery of Blacks

Post number 5.
 
As for blacks seeking reparation for things that never happened to them, it's a non-starter. My white ancestors were serfs back in the old country, as a white person, I don't own anyone anything. Same goes for every white person alive today. They had nothing to do with it either, so why should they pay?
Serfs and peasants were not slaves even though their lives weren't any better than the lives of sharecroppers. But the government that ruled over them was feudal and is not the same entity today as it was then. There is no living document, such as our US Constitution, binding the feudal government to the present social democracy of many European nations.

And anyways, what do you call food stamps, medicare and welfare? Sounds like some sort of on-going reparations
Welfare serves relatively few Americans..black or white....but. More whites benefirt from welfare than blacks...including White owned businesses where welfare recipients shop.
So do you think that since my white ancestors had nothing to do with slavery that I should still have to pay black people for something that neither one of us was involved in? And why?

You white ancestors had nothing to do with what happened to he Native Americans but you pay up every year. But since the issue is more than slavery your argument has no merit.
Treaty obligations are not reparations, but you're too stoopid to know that.

Actually they are.
No, it's like a contract, each party gets something. You got civilization, so stop your whining.
 
This is the OP. This what you will discuss. You can do as asked or end up banned from his thread, it is your choice. Laugh all you want, but I'll be laughing last.

In 2018, it's time we become better informed. Some of the things I read in here makes no sense. Zero nada, zilch.

Why We Are Not Making Progress Against Racism

“At this point, the whole race thing is over . . . it doesn’t matter anymore. We’ve transcended it. Now we have a black president, so clearly we are not racist,” stated one young woman after the first election of Barack Obama as president of the United States. In the euphoria of Obama’s first election, many Americans—on the left, right, and center—agreed that America had become post-racial. Today, many on the left recognize that America is still struggling with racism....


Very few people thought that.


A lot of people pointed out that the election of a black president, revealed that the hysterical claims of the race baiters, ie that the US is a horribly racist place,


was simply not true.


And it was not, and is not.
 
This thread is not abut slavery

Post number 6 below is YOURS:

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And the person you responded to referred to slavery to Jim Crow laws, NOT slavery - that was all you.

I’m not surprised you want to drop your favourite subject now though :lol:

Yep and my response was proper, slavery was not the issue to be discussed here.
 
1. Against you? Unlikely.

2. And my sharing a skin tone with those who did human rights violations, generations ago, means nothing. I am not responsible for their actions any more than I am for Jane Fonda's (who also shares a similar skin tone)

Nothing Jane Fonda has ever done reflects on me, and visa versa.

You want racial oppression against whites.


And I wonder where all the white libs are. What do they think of this?

Or the "moderates"? LOL!!

Those tare the real dumbasses. That think that you are harmless and can be safely ignored and coddled.

The United Nations released its final report this week outlining a host of concerns about the treatment of African-Americans in the United States.

In short, it isn’t pretty, and it’s a reflection of what many activists have been saying for a long time.

The 22-page document issued by the U.N. Working Group includes 37 “manifestations of racial discrimination” in criminal justice, health care, education, and more.

Many of the conclusions relate to criminal justice, specifically policing and incarceration and their relation to history.

"In particular, the legacy of colonial history, enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the United States remains a serious challenge, as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent," the report states. "Contemporary police killings and the trauma that they create are reminiscent of the past racial terror of lynching. Impunity for State violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency"

The U.S. Owes African-Americans Reparations, Says U.N. Report

So when you read the report let me know if the UN says that we are to be paid Corrells money for violations that ended centuries ago just because we are black.


I consider the UN to be an enemy organization, and them siding with you, does not do you credit in my eyes.


Their assertions are no more credible than your own.

I don't give a fuck what you consider.


Their unsupported assertions do not make your case.


They are unsupported, bullshit assertions.

Their assertions are well supported.




No, they weren't. There was zero supporting argument provided.
 
You are wrong. PERIOD.

Your little section of white people do not represent the entire race. That's what you pussies say all the time when we bring up white racism. But now you can lump all whites into the same basket at your convenience.

Fuck that.


Haha...."my little section of white people"... vs. your little section of white people. Hilarious.
Your instant anger and insulting replies shows that YOU are the one with the problem.
But we all already knew that.
You are a racist. And you look to justify that by attempting to make the people YOU are racist against, the ones with the problem.
 
This is the OP. This what you will discuss. You can do as asked or end up banned from his thread, it is your choice. Laugh all you want, but I'll be laughing last.

But you’ve raised the slave trade over and over yourself.
You did so on page 1, post 6, in fact, and have repeatedly stated that your current woes are an extension of the slave trade.

Not to mention the fact that you’ve banged on endlessly about reparations and how slave trade reparations and your current position as a victim of racism and economic disparity are inseparably linked.

Get a grip, lol.
 
Anyone of any color who comes to my place and does some reparations on my fence will get paid. Can't be any fairer than that. :highfive:
 
The World Court will still be around 50 years from now when whites are a minority in this country. The WC might be more powerful as a result by then. Or..maybe egalitarianism might eliminate the need or desire for reparations by then.
It's just about getting even with whites, ANY whites. You're just another angry racist. That you think that your kind will get their way EVER in this country is flat out delusional.

White boy have you lost your mind? Do you think you have the right to do to people what whites have done and we just take it? And why should we not have economic parity with whites?
Because you're all allergic to hard work.

LOL! Coming from a descendant of people given everything by the government, that's rich.
Stop living in a fantasy world, I worked for what I have. So did successful blacks. You want something given to you? It's called welfare. Go line up.

LOL! Coming from a descendant of people given everything by the government, that's rich.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion

Many middle-class white people, especially those of us from the suburbs, like to think that we got to where we are today by virtue of our merit - hard work, intelligence, pluck, and maybe a little luck. And while we may be sympathetic to the plight of others, we close down when we hear the words "affirmative action" or "racial preferences." We worked hard, we made it on our own, the thinking goes, why don't 'they'? After all, the Civil Rights Act was enacted almost 40 years ago.

What we don't readily acknowledge is that racial preferences have a long, institutional history in this country - a white history. Here are a few ways in which government programs and practices have channeled wealth and opportunities to white people at the expense of others.

More.

White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers. The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property. In this century, Alien Land Laws passed in California and other states, reserved farm land for white growers by preventing Asian immigrants, ineligible to become citizens, from owning or leasing land. Immigration restrictions further limited opportunities for nonwhite groups. Racial barriers to naturalized U.S. citizenship weren't removed until the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, and white racial preferences in immigration remained until 1965.

More.

Less known are more recent government racial preferences, first enacted during the New Deal, that directed wealth to white families and continue to shape life opportunities and chances.

The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian. As low-income workers, they also had the least opportunity to save for their retirement. They couldn't pass wealth on to their children. Just the opposite. Their children had to support them.

Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s. In 1972, for example, every single one of the 3,000 members of Los Angeles Steam Fitters Local #250 was still white.

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites. Of the 350,000 new homes built with federal support in northern California between 1946 and 1960, fewer than 100 went to African Americans.

These government programs made possible the new segregated white suburbs that sprang up around the country after World War II. Government subsidies for municipal services helped develop and enhance these suburbs further, in turn fueling commercial investments. Freeways tied the new suburbs to central business districts, but they often cut through and destroyed the vitality of non-white neighborhoods in the central city.

Today, Black and Latino mortgage applicants are still 60% more likely than whites to be turned down for a loan, even after controlling for employment, financial, and neighborhood factors. According to the Census, whites are more likely to be segregated than any other group. As recently as 1993, 86% of suburban whites still lived in neighborhoods with a black population of less than 1%.

More.

One result of the generations of preferential treatment for whites is that a typical white family today has on average eight times the assets, or net worth, of a typical African American family, according to economist Edward Wolff. Even when families of the same income are compared, white families have more than twice the wealth of Black families. Much of that wealth difference can be attributed to the value of one's home, and how much one inherited from parents.

But a family's net worth is not simply the finish line, it's also the starting point for the next generation. Those with wealth pass their assets on to their children - by financing a college education, lending a hand during hard times, or assisting with the down payment for a home. Some economists estimate that up to 80 percent of lifetime wealth accumulation depends on these intergenerational transfers. White advantage is passed down, from parent to child to grand-child. As a result, the racial wealth gap - and the head start enjoyed by whites - appears to have grown since the civil rights days.

In 1865, just after Emancipation, it is not surprising that African Americans owned 0.5 percent of the total worth of the United States. But by 1990, a full 135 years after the abolition of slavery, Black Americans still possessed only a meager 1 percent of national wealth.

Rather than recognize how "racial preferences" have tilted the playing field and given us a head start in life, many whites continue to believe that race does not affect our lives. Instead, we chastise others for not achieving what we have; we even invert the situation and accuse non-whites of using "the race card" to advance themselves.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage
 
This thread is not abut slavery

Post number 6 below is YOURS:

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And the person you responded to referred to slavery to Jim Crow laws, NOT slavery - that was all you.

I’m not surprised you want to drop your favourite subject now though :lol:

Yep and my response was proper, slavery was not the issue to be discussed here.

No, you said it wasn’t the only issue, then you continued to bang on about evil whitey, slavery and reparation.
You even whine in your post on page 1 that apologies for slavery are inadequate, as are ‘excuses’ for whitey not paying you and yours 10 trillion dollars. Don’t demand others stick to the OP when as the originator - you cannot and HAVE NOT - even done so yourself :wtf:
 
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This is the OP. This what you will discuss. You can do as asked or end up banned from his thread, it is your choice. Laugh all you want, but I'll be laughing last.

But you’ve raised the slave trade over and over yourself.
You did so on page 1, post 6, in fact, and have repeatedly stated that your current woes are an extension of the slave trade.

Not to mention the fact that you’ve banged on endlessly about reparations and how slave trade reparations and your current position as a victim of racism and economic disparity are inseparably linked.

Get a grip, lol.

Page 1 post 5 is what you want ignore and that's not going to be done. I let the thread get off topic and now I'm taking it back to the topic. That's my responsibility as OP and if you don't like it, so what?. The issue is not just slavery but you can't discuss that. I've repeatedly have sad that and challenged people like you to discuss that.. So now you will discuss other issues besides your opinion of Africans selling each other or you will be reported.
 
This thread is not abut slavery

Post number 6 below is YOURS:

Slavery was not the only sin or was the only issue. Apologizing doesn't do it when you owe 10 trillion dollars in lost earnings and make excuses a to why you won't pay.

And the person you responded to referred to slavery to Jim Crow laws, NOT slavery - that was all you.

I’m not surprised you want to drop your favourite subject now though :lol:

Yep and my response was proper, slavery was not the issue to be discussed here.

No, you said it wasn’t the only issue, then you continued to bang on about evil whitey, slavery and reparation.
You even whine in your post on page 1 that apologies for slavery are inadequate, as are ‘excuses’ for whitey not paying you and yours 10 trillion dollars. Don’t demand others stick to the OP when as the originator - you cannot and HAVE NOT - even done so yourself :wtf:

I am demanding it. I am asking that every post talking about slavery be deleted to include mine. So that's he end of taking about it. You can start your own thread if that's what you need to talk about instead of trolling other peoples threads with your fucked up racist bullshit.
 
This is the OP. This what you will discuss. You can do as asked or end up banned from his thread, it is your choice. Laugh all you want, but I'll be laughing last.

But you’ve raised the slave trade over and over yourself.
You did so on page 1, post 6, in fact, and have repeatedly stated that your current woes are an extension of the slave trade.

Not to mention the fact that you’ve banged on endlessly about reparations and how slave trade reparations and your current position as a victim of racism and economic disparity are inseparably linked.

Get a grip, lol.

Page 1 post 5 is what you want ignore and that's not going to be done. I let the thread get off topic and now I'm taking it back to the topic. That's my responsibility as OP and if you don't like it, so what?. The issue is not just slavery but you can't discuss that. I've repeatedly have sad that and challenged people like you to discuss that.. So now you will discuss other issues besides your opinion of Africans selling each other or you will be reported.
You raised slavery and reparation continuously and have said over and over for 30 odd pages that it is linked to the current alleged racism you whine about.
You can’t just take it all back, it’s all there in black and white (tee hee :)) but I’m not surprised you want to drop that element now, lol.
Report to your hearts content - but don’t forget YOU are the person who dragged everyone ‘off topic’.
Maybe you shouldn’t start threads if you can’t control what you yourself post? lol.
 
I'm tired of you white mother fuckers

Do you think that sounds a tad racist, IM2?

No.

"This thread is not abut slavery and I'm tired of you white mother fuckers turning every thread into your fake news about the African side of the slave trade."

Post the entire sentence next time.
 
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