Will Republicans end social security?

[sealybobo]

Oh they’ll try but first they’ll weaken it like they did Roe

Look at how Republicans in the 2000's blamed unions when jobs went overseas. Rather than blame the corporations for sending those jobs overseas. Of course they sent them overseas for the cheap labor costs. The only reason they want to bring them back is now those jobs only pay $15 hr. Exactly what Republicans think blue collar labor is worth. Look at how even today they attack union UAW workers. They say "imagine getting paid that much just to push a button". My cousin said it too on facebook. So it's clear Republicans are united against labor.

And they will say it's democrats fault if it runs out of money, even though they have been trying to destroy social security since the day it was invented. Sure Democrats borrowed from it too but I bet they are more willing to put the money back. And not make cuts.

Republican voters will not realize they are the reason their own social security got cut 20-30%. It was the people who they voted for for 40 years who undermined the program.

Cutting my social security is a good way to get me to storm the Capitol. Now that's something to storm the Capitol over. Not Trump. But these good Republicans will bend over and take it. Because they've been programmed for how many decades?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Look at how Republicans in the 2000's blamed unions when jobs went overseas. Rather than blame the corporations for sending those jobs overseas. Of course they sent them overseas for the cheap labor costs.abor is a commodity, and the market is world-wide.

Labor is a commodity, and the market is world wide.
A sure-fire way to lose your job? Demand pay above market value.
Who demands pay above market value? Labor unions.
Whine and cry all you want - facts are facts.

 

[jc456]

Labor is a commodity, and the market is world wide.
A sure-fire way to lose your job? Demand pay above market value.
Who demands pay above market value? Labor unions.
Whine and cry all you want - facts are facts.

just like they're doing right, UAW, now. 20% pay increase. pathetic. So they want a car to cost 10% more than today.

 

[sealybobo]

Labor is a commodity, and the market is world wide.
A sure-fire way to lose your job? Demand pay above market value.
Who demands pay above market value? Labor unions.
Whine and cry all you want - facts are facts.

Well there is a cost to sending jobs overseas too. So maybe the corporations need to consider that when for 40 years they gave the CEO's 1322% raises and workers only 18%.

And you can't send UPS jobs overseas. You can't hire scab athletes. You can't send Fast food jobs overseas. Writers. Healthcare workers. These jobs can't be shipped overseas. What you did in the 2000's was hire illegals. That's why I say we need to go after illegal employers, not illegal immigrants. If no one hires them all they are is tourists.

 

[sealybobo]

Labor is a commodity, and the market is world wide.
A sure-fire way to lose your job? Demand pay above market value.
Who demands pay above market value? Labor unions.
Whine and cry all you want - facts are facts.

Unions raise the market value. Corporations say labor is only worth x amount and unions have the power to ask for more. Of course corporations don't like it.

What do you do for a living?

 

[M14 Shooter]

just like they're doing right, UAW, now. 20% pay increase. pathetic.

It started at +40%, 32hrs work, 40hrs pay, OT starts at >32 hours.

 

[sealybobo]

It started at +40%, 32hrs work, 40hrs pay, OT starts at >32 hours.

Have you ever negotiated successfully? If so you know to start high.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well there is a cost to sending jobs overseas too. So maybe the corporations need to consider that...

I'm sure they do - and then send them.

And you can't send UPS jobs overseas. You can't hire scab athletes. You can't send Fast food jobs overseas. Writers. Healthcare workers. These jobs can't be shipped overseas.

True. But a great many jobs, you can.
And that's your complaint.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Unions raise the market value.

Unions get jobs sent overseas.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Have you ever negotiated successfully? If so you know to start high.

And in the process, disaffect people who might otherwise sympathize with you.

 

[Mr Natural]

Unions raise the market value. Corporations say labor is only worth x amount and unions have the power to ask for more. Of course corporations don't like it.

What do you do for a living?

He’s most likely a business owner.

If not, then he’s really fucking stupid.

 

[M14 Shooter]

He’s most likely a business owner.
If not, then he’s really fucking stupid.

You hate the truth.
Your problem, not mine.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm sure they do - and then send them.

True. But a great many jobs, you can.
And that's your complaint.

We can also tariff them. You liked the idea when Trump said it.

 

[sealybobo]

I see 27% of the poll responders are just as nuts as you. This thread is from 2016, 7 years ago. You now have your answer. Republicans did not end social security. This should be a wake up call to you that you don't live in reality. Will you begin to understand that or will you continue living in your alternate universe?

It's set to run out of money the year I retire. 2032.

 

[Independent thinker]

It's set to run out of money the year I retire. 2032.

So? That has nothing to do with Republicans wanting to end social security. It's a fact for everyone and both sides will have to come up with something to fix it, which they will because neither side wants it to end. And, even if nothing is done at all, the program still does not end. How about a combination of fixes for the problem including adjusting taxes in some way in addition to adjusting benefits in some way? As usual, Democrats only want to raise taxes.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

just like they're doing right, UAW, now. 20% pay increase. pathetic. So they want a car to cost 10% more than today.

The laborer is worthy of his hire, and his worth is not your business. Walk if you don't like it.

 

[sealybobo]

You hate the truth.
Your problem, not mine.

The truth? The truth is, and you're not going to like it, but the truth is.... class warfare is real. And it's not us who are waging war on the rich even though whenever we suggest we raise their taxes, that's what you accuse us of. And we shouldn't look at it as raising their taxes. We should look at it like we are ending a tax break they should have never gotten in the first place. If Republicans weren't owned by the rich, they would have never gotten those tax breaks in the first place.

So anyways, you guys lie. You said the Big 3 couldn't afford to pay such good wages to workers but if you google record profits and record profit sharing 1999, 1998, etc. you'll see the Big 3 were doing just fine before Bush stole 2000 and caused a great recession on purpose so GM could go banrkupt, renig on pensions and go 16 years without giving raises. In fact pay cuts is what they gave. Meanwhile the CEOs and VP's pay have all skyrocketed in those 16 years. Turns out they value themselves twice as much as they used to make. While you say we are overpaid.

You are either really stupid or you are a rich corporate CEO.

But that's okay. Us liberals and our amazing social programs will take care of you too. God know you will rely on them heavily.

 

[sealybobo]

So? That has nothing to do with Republicans wanting to end social security. It's a fact for everyone and both sides will have to come up with something to fix it, which they will because neither side wants it to end. And, even if nothing is done at all, the program still does not end. How about a combination of fixes for the problem including adjusting taxes in some way in addition to adjusting benefits in some way? As usual, Democrats only want to raise taxes.

The powerball lottery is 1.7 BILLION dollars. The Government is going to get half of that. They aren't broke.

And if they are, roll back the Trump tax breaks. If not, roll back the Bush tax breaks. And if you won't do that then at least

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[M14 Shooter]

We can also tariff them.

Fact remains:
Jobs go overseas because labor is a global market.
This is not going to change.

 

[sealybobo]

Oh they’ll try but first they’ll weaken it like they did Roe

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