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I believe Jake was referring to the somewhat ridiculous idea that the establishment Republicans are going to institute a polite "coup" and get him out legally via impeachment. No basis for that, but I believe that's what he meant.The OP didn't say that. Are you escalating the problem here?No, it did not, as we see the courts putting the ban on hold and the congressional leaders saying NO to any attempt to legislate a ban.It already did and the people will take it back.The USA is one country with a government of checks and balances.
You and Correll and bear and murica can whine all you want, but your kind of country is not going to happen.
When Pence and Mattis remove Trump, life will become more normal.
Is it allowed on this board to suggest violence re the President? Even assassination?
Per the OP, THAT is what is wrong with America these days.
Just responding to a member's post if you'll notice. That member certainly appeared to be escalating the problem.
LOL Tipsy, you're just projecting.We will never be a united country again. The left believes that if they can just strong arm everyone else we can be browbeaten into being one country. It isn't going to happen. The right is as capable of sabotage and obstruction as the left is. Until we give up and recognize that unity is dead, the country will continually suffer treason and espionage against whatever party is in power.
This is far removed from the simple political differences of the revolution or even civil war. The people of this country despise one another on a very personal visceral level. There is nothing that we share. There is not a value or tradition that we share. End the agony. Break up the country.
Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Black and living in Mississippi. Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were students at Kent State University. And folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Gay and at the Stonewall Inn in Manhattan.Were you born after 1975? That's when I graduated from high school. I remember a time we were far more divided than today. History is a marvelous thing. It provides perspective.I am very concerned about the divisions within this country. The rioting, the looting, the destruction of public and private property, the corruption of our media, the indoctrination of our young people, the Nazi like tactics against those who disagree with you, the suppression of free speech.
Over the last 20 or so years, we have become divided by race, sex, age, income, ethnicity, religion, location, political party, et. al.
Does anyone see a way to unite this country? Would we be better off to split the country into two or three nations? Why is it more important for your party to win than your nation?
Watching this is very depressing and I am sure the founders are turning over in their graves over what has become of the USA.
Why must we hate those who worship differently, think differently, live differently? Why do those on the left believe that we must all believe what they believe? (same question for those on the right).
We are at a crossroads, what happens next?
You may be remembering the Vietnam era which was when violent rioting first became a popular form of protest. But I am older than you, Nosmo, and I don't recall the nation being anywhere near as divided then. With some exceptions, people were much more able to put things into proper perspective in the 60's and 70's. They could appreciate a President not of their party who did something good, were not so quick to automatically condemn or extrapolate into something bad everything somebody on the other side says. We were allowed to disagree peacefully.
I believe Jake was referring to the somewhat ridiculous idea that the establishment Republicans are going to institute a polite "coup" and get him out legally via impeachment. No basis for that, but I believe that's what he meant.The OP didn't say that. Are you escalating the problem here?No, it did not, as we see the courts putting the ban on hold and the congressional leaders saying NO to any attempt to legislate a ban.It already did and the people will take it back.
When Pence and Mattis remove Trump, life will become more normal.
Is it allowed on this board to suggest violence re the President? Even assassination?
Per the OP, THAT is what is wrong with America these days.
Just responding to a member's post if you'll notice. That member certainly appeared to be escalating the problem.
You aren't paying attention.LOL Tipsy, you're just projecting.We will never be a united country again. The left believes that if they can just strong arm everyone else we can be browbeaten into being one country. It isn't going to happen. The right is as capable of sabotage and obstruction as the left is. Until we give up and recognize that unity is dead, the country will continually suffer treason and espionage against whatever party is in power.
This is far removed from the simple political differences of the revolution or even civil war. The people of this country despise one another on a very personal visceral level. There is nothing that we share. There is not a value or tradition that we share. End the agony. Break up the country.
We don't hate each other on a deeply personal visceral level!
We're not at a crossroads, we're not divided more than usual, and we're not coming unglued.
We've always been contentious, and there have always been some nuts marching around wearing sandwich boards proclaiming the end of the world.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan was slated to deliver the commencement address to my class at The Ohio State University in 1979. He faced violent protests because he endorsed a UN resolution equating Zionism with racism. I did not hear Senator Moynihan that day. To tell you the truth, I can't recall who delivers the address.Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Black and living in Mississippi. Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were students at Kent State University. And folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Gay and at the Stonewall Inn in Manhattan.Were you born after 1975? That's when I graduated from high school. I remember a time we were far more divided than today. History is a marvelous thing. It provides perspective.I am very concerned about the divisions within this country. The rioting, the looting, the destruction of public and private property, the corruption of our media, the indoctrination of our young people, the Nazi like tactics against those who disagree with you, the suppression of free speech.
Over the last 20 or so years, we have become divided by race, sex, age, income, ethnicity, religion, location, political party, et. al.
Does anyone see a way to unite this country? Would we be better off to split the country into two or three nations? Why is it more important for your party to win than your nation?
Watching this is very depressing and I am sure the founders are turning over in their graves over what has become of the USA.
Why must we hate those who worship differently, think differently, live differently? Why do those on the left believe that we must all believe what they believe? (same question for those on the right).
We are at a crossroads, what happens next?
You may be remembering the Vietnam era which was when violent rioting first became a popular form of protest. But I am older than you, Nosmo, and I don't recall the nation being anywhere near as divided then. With some exceptions, people were much more able to put things into proper perspective in the 60's and 70's. They could appreciate a President not of their party who did something good, were not so quick to automatically condemn or extrapolate into something bad everything somebody on the other side says. We were allowed to disagree peacefully.
Sure you can find anecdotal exceptions in the midst of any argument. But anecdotal circumstances are not illustrative of the way things generally are.
For instance, the President was not allowed to speak ANYWHERE without angry, hostile and too often violent crowed harassing and sometimes assaulting those who wanted to attend the speech as well as law enforcement attempting to keep the peace. A conservative and his would be audience is not allowed to speak on most university campuses anymore without encountering the same treatment.
That would never have been tolerated by anybody not that long ago.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan was slated to deliver the commencement address to my class at The Ohio State University in 1979. He faced violent protests because he endorsed a UN resolution equating Zionism with racism. I did not hear Senator Moynihan that day. To tell you the truth, I can't recall who delivers the address.Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Black and living in Mississippi. Folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were students at Kent State University. And folks were not allowed to peacefully disagree if they were Gay and at the Stonewall Inn in Manhattan.Were you born after 1975? That's when I graduated from high school. I remember a time we were far more divided than today. History is a marvelous thing. It provides perspective.I am very concerned about the divisions within this country. The rioting, the looting, the destruction of public and private property, the corruption of our media, the indoctrination of our young people, the Nazi like tactics against those who disagree with you, the suppression of free speech.
Over the last 20 or so years, we have become divided by race, sex, age, income, ethnicity, religion, location, political party, et. al.
Does anyone see a way to unite this country? Would we be better off to split the country into two or three nations? Why is it more important for your party to win than your nation?
Watching this is very depressing and I am sure the founders are turning over in their graves over what has become of the USA.
Why must we hate those who worship differently, think differently, live differently? Why do those on the left believe that we must all believe what they believe? (same question for those on the right).
We are at a crossroads, what happens next?
You may be remembering the Vietnam era which was when violent rioting first became a popular form of protest. But I am older than you, Nosmo, and I don't recall the nation being anywhere near as divided then. With some exceptions, people were much more able to put things into proper perspective in the 60's and 70's. They could appreciate a President not of their party who did something good, were not so quick to automatically condemn or extrapolate into something bad everything somebody on the other side says. We were allowed to disagree peacefully.
Sure you can find anecdotal exceptions in the midst of any argument. But anecdotal circumstances are not illustrative of the way things generally are.
For instance, the President was not allowed to speak ANYWHERE without angry, hostile and too often violent crowed harassing and sometimes assaulting those who wanted to attend the speech as well as law enforcement attempting to keep the peace. A conservative and his would be audience is not allowed to speak on most university campuses anymore without encountering the same treatment.
That would never have been tolerated by anybody not that long ago.
There are still millions of friends and family of differing political views who love and respect each other - as there have always been.
25th Amendment Section 4 is not violent. It requires the VP and a majority of the cabinet, which I would think in our environment today would require Mattis to agree, notify the House that the President is incapable of performing the duties of President. Congress would then take, I imagine, a sense of the Congress, on the notice. GOP Congress would love a President Pence.Only a confused libertarian supporting a Big Government Trump could possible think there was any escalation.The OP didn't say that. Are you escalating the problem here?No, it did not, as we see the courts putting the ban on hold and the congressional leaders saying NO to any attempt to legislate a ban.
When Pence and Mattis remove Trump, life will become more normal.
Is it allowed on this board to suggest violence re the President? Even assassination?
Per the OP, THAT is what is wrong with America these days.
Just responding to a member's post if you'll notice. That member certainly appeared to be escalating the problem.
Foxfyre, you have been told over the years, that violence is not the answer. It is still not.
Glad to hear it Jake. But when you suggest that the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense REMOVE the President, that sounds pretty violent to me.
You, my dear, are not the boss. Not even Boss is the boss.I believe Jake was referring to the somewhat ridiculous idea that the establishment Republicans are going to institute a polite "coup" and get him out legally via impeachment. No basis for that, but I believe that's what he meant.The OP didn't say that. Are you escalating the problem here?No, it did not, as we see the courts putting the ban on hold and the congressional leaders saying NO to any attempt to legislate a ban.
When Pence and Mattis remove Trump, life will become more normal.
Is it allowed on this board to suggest violence re the President? Even assassination?
Per the OP, THAT is what is wrong with America these days.
Just responding to a member's post if you'll notice. That member certainly appeared to be escalating the problem.
Then that is what he should have said.
Q. Will we ever be one country again
A. Not as long as you and others like you continue to hate and fear everyone whose ideas challenge your/their own.
Congratulations, you have just summarized liberals in the present.
If they didnt have to pay the bills for other parts of the country they probably would do okay.it would be a sad day, but it may come to that. I say we let Cal leave and let them see how PC liberalism works without someone to pay the bills.
There are still millions of friends and family of differing political views who love and respect each other - as there have always been.
Will we ever be one country again?
We are one nation
Under God
Indivisible
With liberty and justice for all
And if you don't believe that then you should go fuck yourself
