With the 9th circus ruling...Trump's hands are now clean of any immigrant terrorism...

[EverCurious]

The 9th is setting a very interesting precedence of holding candidates to their campaign statements - something that has /never/ been done in the history of the nation. I can't say I'm entirely displeased with the concept. By this new theory, I would assume that Alaskan's could bring some kind of suit against Murkowski for voting against DeVos' nomination since the bitch approved her in the Education Subcommittee...

Though I'm pretty sure that in the end the supreme will uphold the President's authority on the EO.

I think everyone should note that they judge shopped the circuit court as well. It's rather disgusting abuse of the judicial process if you ask me.

 

[Czernobog]

The 9th is setting a very interesting precedence of holding candidates to their campaign statements.

Having read the court finding myself, I'm curious on what you are basing that analysis?

 

[rdean]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Trump has made enemies of the entire world.

Except for Putin. Hmm, yea, Putin.

Why is that?

 

[EverCurious]

The 9th is setting a very interesting precedence of holding candidates to their campaign statements.

Having read the court finding myself, I'm curious on what you are basing that analysis?

Almost the entire support for 'muslim ban' was things Trump said during his campaign, which I'll note the media lied about because Trumps statement was with the addition 'until we can figure out what is going on with our vetting system' That was the concept he /always/ pushed.

Page 5 - Washington also alleged that the Executive Order was not truly meant to protect against terror attacks by foreign nationals but rather was intended to enact a “Muslim ban” as the President had stated during his presidential campaign that he would do.

Page 19 - we also note the serious nature of the allegations the States have raised with respect to their religious discrimination claims.

Page 25 - The States argue that the Executive Order violates the Establishment and Equal Protection Clauses because it was intended to disfavor Muslims. In support of this argument, the States have offered evidence of numerous statements by the President about his intent to implement a “Muslim ban” as well as evidence they claim suggests that the Executive Order was intended to be that ban, including sections 5(b) and 5(e) of the Order.

Page 26 - The States’ claims raise serious allegations and present significant constitutional questions. In light of the sensitive interests involved, the pace of the current emergency proceedings, and our conclusion that the Government has not met its burden of showing likelihood of success on appeal on its arguments with respect to the due process claim, we reserve consideration of these claims until the merits of this appeal have been fully briefed.

Page 28 & 29 - Finally, in evaluating the need for a stay, we must consider the public interest generally. See Nken, 556 U.S. at 434. Aspects of the public interest favor both sides, as evidenced by the massive attention this case has garnered at even the most preliminary stages. On the one hand, the public has a powerful interest in national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies. And on the other, the public also has an interest in free flow of travel, in avoiding separation of families, and in freedom from discrimination. We need not characterize the public interest more definitely than this; when considered alongside the hardships discussed above, these competing public interests do not justify a stay.

 

[Dragonlady]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Not the right attitude, but I understand your point.

The FBI, NSA and CIA work hard to prevent attacks, regardless of policies, and they will continue to do so. Trump can appeal this, re-write it, use the Boston decision as support, reconsider the language and determining factors etc. There is no imminent threat, or if there was, the argument wasn't made, this was a big issue if I am hearing correctly from different pundits. I posted a link earlier in which the GOP are already looking at a Bill to change the 9th Circuit due to it's unbalanced power at the moment according to many.

Regardless, this isn't a debate that going to end with just this ruling and possibly even this order. Americans expect the government to protect them from terror and I don't think this obligation is going to be denied simply because of this preliminary ruling. There has been far too many unnecessary attacks of Americans around the world and within its borders for there not to be some concerns and immigration reforms.

The point is that the left wing court has now taken a public stand against Trump's attempt to keep the country safe...he is making the effort, they are blocking it....any deaths are now on them....

Your country is LESS safe because of this attempted ban because Trump is running his mouth against Muslims and calling them terrorists.

Racism and xenophobia is a lousy foreign policy. So is fear and hate.

 

[Czernobog]

The 9th is setting a very interesting precedence of holding candidates to their campaign statements.

Having read the court finding myself, I'm curious on what you are basing that analysis?

Almost the entire support for 'muslim ban' was things Trump said during his campaign, which I'll note the media lied about because Trumps statement was with the addition 'until we can figure out what is going on with our vetting system' That was the concept he /always/ pushed.

Page 5 - Washington also alleged that the Executive Order was not truly meant to protect against terror attacks by foreign nationals but rather was intended to enact a “Muslim ban” as the President had stated during his presidential campaign that he would do.

Okay. That is not a standard the courts decided to hold the president to; that is a standard that the presidents lawyers decided to make a matter of record. Sorry, don't be mad at the courts, because Trump's lawyers decided to calk the ban what Trump called the ban during the campaign, and has called the ban since he signed the stupid executive order.

Page 19 - we also note the serious nature of the allegations the States have raised with respect to their religious discrimination claims.

I don't see that on page 19...

Page 25 - The States argue that the Executive Order violates the Establishment and Equal Protection Clauses because it was intended to disfavor Muslims. In support of this argument, the States have offered evidence of numerous statements by the President about his intent to implement a “Muslim ban” as well as evidence they claim suggests that the Executive Order was intended to be that ban, including sections 5(b) and 5(e) of the Order.

Now this one I would grant, does point to statements he made during his campaign. On the other hand, are you suggesting that his stated intentions towards Muslims should be ignored?

Page 26 - The States’ claims raise serious allegations and present significant constitutional questions. In light of the sensitive interests involved, the pace of the current emergency proceedings, and our conclusion that the Government has not met its burden of showing likelihood of success on appeal on its arguments with respect to the due process claim, we reserve consideration of these claims until the merits of this appeal have been fully briefed.

Page 28 & 29 - Finally, in evaluating the need for a stay, we must consider the public interest generally. See Nken, 556 U.S. at 434. Aspects of the public interest favor both sides, as evidenced by the massive attention this case has garnered at even the most preliminary stages. On the one hand, the public has a powerful interest in national security and in the ability of an elected president to enact policies. And on the other, the public also has an interest in free flow of travel, in avoiding separation of families, and in freedom from discrimination. We need not characterize the public interest more definitely than this; when considered alongside the hardships discussed above, these competing public interests do not justify a stay.

None of this has to do with your claim of the courts considering his campaign speeches. I am also not as convinced that the Supreme Court will be as quick to reinstate the ban. Especially, if Trump continues to maintain this whole "unreviewability" bullshit he is attempting. I promise you that Justice Kennedy, for one, will not take kindly to a President telling him he doesn't have a right to even look at the actions that a President is taking. That will not put Trump in a positive light with the Court.

 

[EverCurious]

Allegations of 'Muslim Ban' were leveled by Washington - State, not "the Government" as per the definitions set out by the court in prior pages.


Page 19 - The Government has not shown that it is likely to succeed on appeal on its arguments about, at least, the States’ Due Process Clause claim, and we also note the serious nature of the allegations the States have raised with respect to their religious discrimination claims. We express no view as to any of the States’ other claims.


Re page 25 comment - They should be because that was a false narrative created by the media. Trump's statement and platform was /always/ that a temporary ban should be instated until one can figure out the vetting system that works. This fact is made undeniable by his campaign platform on the subject and as reported widely by the non-msm - "Trump proposed “extreme vetting” of immigrants, a temporary suspension of immigration from “dangerous and volatile” regions, and the creation of new alliances, including with Russia, to combat ISIS." - Trump Targets Terrorism in Latest Campaign Reboot | RealClearPolitics! (just as an example)


Re Page 6 comment - "serious allegations"
Re page 28 &29 comment - "freedom from discrimination"

Those are both direct reflections

 

[aaronleland]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Sure.

Because when the guy from France murders some Americans here- Trump won't be to blame because he excluded everyone from Syria.

Good job morons.

Asswipe....the new vetting procedures apply to everyone.......and the terrorists from Iran and Iraq and the training and organizing in the other 7 countries pose an actual threat......you know...moron....like the unknown threat of flying planes into buildings.....we didn't believe in that till after it happened too....

The blood will be on your hands asshole...

And it was Saudis who flew planes into buildings. I guess they are on the... wait... nowhere on the ban list.

 

[EverCurious]

Again, listen to General Kelly, I posted the video yesterday.

The reality is you're media /lies/ to you by hiding the facts. The reason these countries are on the 'list' is because they have no infrastructure and thus database upon which to vet the refugees on. It came out in there that we don't even have embassy's in 4 of the 5, Syria is a failed state, and two are active sponsors of terrorists.

General Kelly laid it all out clear as day.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I call for the first terror attack be in San Francisco.

Come on now, we don't want to encourage anything.

 

[2aguy]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Not the right attitude, but I understand your point.

The FBI, NSA and CIA work hard to prevent attacks, regardless of policies, and they will continue to do so. Trump can appeal this, re-write it, use the Boston decision as support, reconsider the language and determining factors etc. There is no imminent threat, or if there was, the argument wasn't made, this was a big issue if I am hearing correctly from different pundits. I posted a link earlier in which the GOP are already looking at a Bill to change the 9th Circuit due to it's unbalanced power at the moment according to many.

Regardless, this isn't a debate that going to end with just this ruling and possibly even this order. Americans expect the government to protect them from terror and I don't think this obligation is going to be denied simply because of this preliminary ruling. There has been far too many unnecessary attacks of Americans around the world and within its borders for there not to be some concerns and immigration reforms.

The point is that the left wing court has now taken a public stand against Trump's attempt to keep the country safe...he is making the effort, they are blocking it....any deaths are now on them....

Your country is LESS safe because of this attempted ban because Trump is running his mouth against Muslims and calling them terrorists.

Racism and xenophobia is a lousy foreign policy. So is fear and hate.

And that is bullshit....it isn't racism or xenophobia.......it is common sense since these countries are centers for terrorism.........but keep blocking common sense measures for self defense of American citizens..........when the attacks happen, you morons will share some of the blame...and keep in mind....we don't know what the President knows about upcoming attacks. Keep that in mind morons. When it happens, you guys will be as dumb as you were when hilary lost.....

 

[2aguy]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Sure.

Because when the guy from France murders some Americans here- Trump won't be to blame because he excluded everyone from Syria.

Good job morons.

Asswipe....the new vetting procedures apply to everyone.......and the terrorists from Iran and Iraq and the training and organizing in the other 7 countries pose an actual threat......you know...moron....like the unknown threat of flying planes into buildings.....we didn't believe in that till after it happened too....

The blood will be on your hands asshole...

And it was Saudis who flew planes into buildings. I guess they are on the... wait... nowhere on the ban list.

Yes......so we should wait till someone from these countries is actually successful at slaughtering Americans before we try to stop it....wow, grand fucking strategy genius.....you should be in the CIA or the FBI........

 

[2aguy]

If an attack happens...from one of these countries......Trump's hands are clean......you guys will get to explain how clever you were stopping his vetting review...morons...

 

[Claudette]

This ruling should have been a surprise to no one given the 9th circuits history just as it should be no surprise to anyone if the Supreme Court overturns it.

I doubt the SC will overturn it. They are one member short and they have four libs and four cons.

Trump should kick it back to the district court that filed it and let the chips fall where they may.

He should also toughen all vetting everywhere in America. The 9th better hope and pray that no terrorists get into America and there are no dead Americans because of it because Trump can point the finger right at the looney 9th.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Come on 2aguy, all liberals believe that if every single person on the planet doesn't think constant, warm and fuzzies about every single Muslim on the planet they are encouraging JIHAD !!!! So Liberal logic dictates that Trump is now responsible for every single terror attack from now until the next Republican President takes the reins.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

Unfortunately ISIS, who is on record as wanting the same thing as Trump, may drop everything to get a terrorist from one of the banned countries into the U.S. to take advantage of the OP's argument. To sow further division between Muslims and the west, and the Republican and Democrat parties. Part of me wishes the ban was in place because it's a fantastic political tool for pointing out the bigotry of the right, but we can't have the constitution be violated just for political purposes.

Ah yes because opposition to a misogynistic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, theocratic, and totalitarian ideology whose adherents according to all available polling data suggests are 90% homophobic, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, and theocratic, is a bigoted stance. Gfys, supporters of Islam are no different than supporters of National Socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Which party actually Invaded the Middle East, and didn't actually solve any problems.

 

[danielpalos]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Of course....because with a so-called president, the buck DOESN'T stop there.

No asshole.....he is trying to actually tighten up vetting of people coming into the country....the left doesn't care, since they assume that they will not be the victims of killers in the name of islam...so it isn't their problem..they just want to make sure more people are ready to vote for democrats in 2018.....

all he was doing, was fulfilling his pander pledge.

 

[danielpalos]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

Not the right attitude, but I understand your point.

The FBI, NSA and CIA work hard to prevent attacks, regardless of policies, and they will continue to do so. Trump can appeal this, re-write it, use the Boston decision as support, reconsider the language and determining factors etc. There is no imminent threat, or if there was, the argument wasn't made, this was a big issue if I am hearing correctly from different pundits. I posted a link earlier in which the GOP are already looking at a Bill to change the 9th Circuit due to it's unbalanced power at the moment according to many.

Regardless, this isn't a debate that going to end with just this ruling and possibly even this order. Americans expect the government to protect them from terror and I don't think this obligation is going to be denied simply because of this preliminary ruling. There has been far too many unnecessary attacks of Americans around the world and within its borders for there not to be some concerns and immigration reforms.

The point is that the left wing court has now taken a public stand against Trump's attempt to keep the country safe...he is making the effort, they are blocking it....any deaths are now on them....

with a pander pledge?

 

[danielpalos]

When a foriegn immigrant murders large numbers of people.....Trump's hands are clean...he is trying to stop it....but the morons in this country don't care.....that blood will be on their hands, not his....
Congratulations left wing....you know own any deaths from foreign born terrorists.........good job morons....

All it will take is ONE of the tens of thousands flooding in to blow up something or mow down some people and it's game-over for the democrap party...they won't put another person in the White House in their lifetimes.

like actual citizens, commit no crimes.