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Signing a contract that says "Anno Domini" does not mean that you automatically vouch for the existence of Jesus Christ.The signatures were not affixed to the attestation (notarization) of Anno Domini. The attestation was affixed to the document.
No legal scholar considers that the attestation according to law meant the signers were affixing their belief in Jesus Christ.
Grow up.
When you sign a "contract", are you signing your agreement for "everything" that is written there?
I was asked to provide a single reference to God in the Constitution. I did that. Now the braying starts.
Seriously ...
There were Deists and Atheists among the FF's. Deism and Atheism are generally considered to be non-Christian.
names, documentation (evidence)
A list was already posted in thid thread.
One can recognize a Creator that is not necessarily the Judeo-Christian god. Freemasons do it at every single meeting.well, i'm neither a deist nor an atheist, but we measure it by the "common era". does it really matter for purposes of whether or not the US was ever intended to be religious in nature?
Only if you want to differentiate if "our" rights are granted by a greater than man force (the Creator), or if you want to elevate gov't to the grantor of basic rights (those listed in the Bill of Rights).
BTW, in countries that have given the gov't the power to grant rights, human rights aren't doing so well.
It is okay, you can admit that you like riding the prosperity of Christians, but want to be free to revel in corruption whenever you want to, and how you please.
names, documentation (evidence)
A list was already posted in thid thread.
You mean the men that publicly said prayers and was documented here? You think that men that pray publicly, and call on the Almighty God are Deists and Atheists?
Move along, UR.
You tried subtly ad homming other folks and I batoned you down for it.
Your disgrace your profession when you try subtly ad homing ofthers than whine when you get beat down for it. Stop it, now.
UR! Stop!! Look at me!!! Look me in the eye...Now stay focused!
Don't dish what you can't take, whiner.
Step off.
Tuff. I will baton you down here when you do it. Other words, don't threaten others if you can't take the result.
You will be batoned down here when you act out.
Threaten and pay the price. Be polite and get nice.
Every time you act up you will be made a fool. Just the way it is. Just be polite and be nice.
This is over.
Grow up and quit being immorally stubborn.
UR is a silly tough boy who got carried away with a uniform and a badge, and as a civilian has trouble with the idea that he is not the enforcer of the law or even as much as the law.
I will await your PM internet tough guy.
Your comment about the baton reminds me of a line from the movie The Untouchables, something about bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Interesting.
Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and Buddhists don't use the term "AD"?Signing a contract that says "Anno Domini" does not mean that you automatically vouch for the existence of Jesus Christ.When you sign a "contract", are you signing your agreement for "everything" that is written there?
I was asked to provide a single reference to God in the Constitution. I did that. Now the braying starts.
Seriously ...
Of course it does. Show me a nation that uses it that is not Christian in origin or currently Christian. Jews, Muslims, Sihks and Budists dont use the phrase, so what nonChristian group does?
That was my point.The Grand Architect of the Universe is not necesarily the Christian Trinity, but it certainly is not incompatible with the Trinity either.
Yes, I am quite well aware of this fact.A great many Masons are sincere and devout Christians.
Let's look at the little post that started this whole legal discussion. Now can anyone count how many strawmen were erected in response? Last post said I claimed our legal system is based on the Bible. This is a fact not disputed by any attorney or historian. However, no where is this thread was the claim made it was exclusively on the Bible, which is the main strawmen that started crawling out of the ground like zombies. So many posters bring so much of a constrained worldview to this thread, they think they know what is being said before it is being said.
Seriously? Our legal standard was based in Christianity. Why would I expect you to know this since you and others here are bent on rewriting history. However, if you would like to educate yourself, you can study these links. If not, remain in your ignorance. Please just don't pretend you know what you are talking about when trying to put down others. The Blackstone was used as the basic law book up until the mid to late 1800's, when it was replaced by Darwin followers at Harvard, who viewed the law as not absolute, but evolving. The basic theme of he Blackstone is "does the law we seek conform to the Bible?".
William Blackstone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://constitution.org/18th/ale1762/ale1762_001-050.pdf
What laws, specifically were based upon the Bible, and did not exist in Greek/Roman legal tradition?
The signatures were not affixed to the attestation (notarization) of Anno Domini. The attestation was affixed to the document.
No legal scholar considers that the attestation according to law meant the signers were affixing their belief in Jesus Christ.
Grow up.
When you sign a "contract", are you signing your agreement for "everything" that is written there?
I was asked to provide a single reference to God in the Constitution. I did that. Now the braying starts.
There is no reference to God in the Constitution....there is a date with the word "lord" in it. Spin all you want.
One can recognize a Creator that is not necessarily the Judeo-Christian god. Freemasons do it at every single meeting.well, i'm neither a deist nor an atheist, but we measure it by the "common era". does it really matter for purposes of whether or not the US was ever intended to be religious in nature?
Only if you want to differentiate if "our" rights are granted by a greater than man force (the Creator), or if you want to elevate gov't to the grantor of basic rights (those listed in the Bill of Rights).
BTW, in countries that have given the gov't the power to grant rights, human rights aren't doing so well.
It is okay, you can admit that you like riding the prosperity of Christians, but want to be free to revel in corruption whenever you want to, and how you please.
There were Deists and Atheists among the FF's. Deism and Atheism are generally considered to be non-Christian.Madison and Jefferson disagree with you, logical4u.
The constitution disagrees with you, logical4u.
SCOTUS disagrees with you, logical4u.
This is over.
Still waiting for that list of FF that were Hindu, Buddahist, or some other religion beside Christian, Jakey. And please provide some documentation.
Why do you think that gods fearing Christians would endorse a secular constitution?
There were Deists and Atheists among the FF's. Deism and Atheism are generally considered to be non-Christian.
names, documentation (evidence)
A list was already posted in thid thread.
The core of Deism is the idea that God created the universe and left it to run on its own, i.e. the planets dont have to be pushed around by angels, etc.
names, documentation (evidence)
A list was already posted in thid thread.
You mean all two of them?
The core of Deism is the idea that God created the universe and left it to run on its own, i.e. the planets dont have to be pushed around by angels, etc.
Pardon me, Jim, but that is modern day Deism. Typically the Deists of the 1700's were men that accepted the Bible, but did not accept the Trinity or that Christ was God. The Deist at that time believed that God was active in the Creation. Modern day Deism is the belief that the evidence of a Creator is overwhelming, but that he is no longer around and doesn't act within his Creation. Modern Deist believe God "set it and forget it".
There were Deists and Atheists among the FF's. Deism and Atheism are generally considered to be non-Christian.Still waiting for that list of FF that were Hindu, Buddahist, or some other religion beside Christian, Jakey. And please provide some documentation.
Why do you think that gods fearing Christians would endorse a secular constitution?
Same reason God Fearing Christians shop at Walmart.
When you sign a "contract", are you signing your agreement for "everything" that is written there?
I was asked to provide a single reference to God in the Constitution. I did that. Now the braying starts.
There is no reference to God in the Constitution....there is a date with the word "lord" in it. Spin all you want.
You're right. "Year of OUR Lord " is a reference to Christ. You won't win this argument, not matter how many times you repeat the same thing over and over.
Let's look at the little post that started this whole legal discussion. Now can anyone count how many strawmen were erected in response? Last post said I claimed our legal system is based on the Bible. This is a fact not disputed by any attorney or historian. However, no where is this thread was the claim made it was exclusively on the Bible, which is the main strawmen that started crawling out of the ground like zombies. So many posters bring so much of a constrained worldview to this thread, they think they know what is being said before it is being said.
What laws, specifically were based upon the Bible, and did not exist in Greek/Roman legal tradition?
The laws in the Old Testament that predated Rome, like the Ten Commandments, which happen to be prominently displayed in the Supreme Court.
