Yes, I'm a Conservative, But SOME Rent Control IS Necesary

[Toro]

I didn’t call myself a conservative. I called myself a capitalist.

I’m not begging for Big Gubmint to bail me out for making bad financial decisions like a leftist like you are.

Well, that just shows that you have ZERO CREDIBILITY in this thread. It's quite obvious that anyone who holds the views that I stated in Post # 507 is not a "leftist", as you idiotically said. In fact, I might be the most far right conservative in this entire forum.And next to my views, you look like Nancy Pelosi.

You’re a leftist on economics. It doesn’t matter how much you hate darkies and Muslims. On economics, you sound like a clueless leftist like AOC.

 

[protectionist]

So, you're a Conservative UNTIL an issue impacts you directly and profoundly?

Conservatives are expected to own their own homes, to pay off their mortgages, and to be well-provisioned in their old age.

If you have not provisioned yourself in such a fashion, then you must endure the consequences.

This was a personal choice during your younger (earning) years... you are now about to reap what you have sown.

Perhaps you should have advocated for somewhat more liberal housing policies nationwide while you still could.

Rather like Jacob Marley apologizing for not benefiting his fellow Man after he died - once it was too late.

Conservatism is all about laissez faire (hands-off)... whatever the market will bear...

If you cannot afford your new rent, then you must move to cheaper quarters, or seek shelter or subsistence elsewhere...

Stop picking on poor Conservative businessmen doing what comes naturally and legally with their own properties...

Consider it a market correction...

Sucks, doesn't it?

Isn't an exclusive reliance upon Conservatism soooo rewarding?

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My condolences.

Not "UNTIL". Because I don't see stopping 60% rent increases as being anything against Conservatism. I see it as being against insanity, and for common sense. There are limits to how far conservatism might go. I'm for deporting ALL illegal aliens, and imprisoning all sanctuary city leaders. But I wouldn't support having them all be shot. Get it ?

And if you can't see without extra large print, got some glasses.

 

[Toro]

So, you're a Conservative UNTIL an issue impacts you directly and profoundly?

Conservatives are expected to own their own homes, to pay off their mortgages, and to be well-provisioned in their old age.

If you have not provisioned yourself in such a fashion, then you must endure the consequences.

This was a personal choice during your younger (earning) years... you are now about to reap what you have sown.

Perhaps you should have advocated for somewhat more liberal housing policies nationwide while you still could.

Rather like Jacob Marley apologizing for not benefiting his fellow Man after he died - once it was too late.

Conservatism is all about laissez faire (hands-off)... whatever the market will bear...

If you cannot afford your new rent, then you must move to cheaper quarters, or seek shelter or subsistence elsewhere...

Stop picking on poor Conservative businessmen doing what comes naturally and legally with their own properties...

Consider it a market correction...

Sucks, doesn't it?

Isn't an exclusive reliance upon Conservatism soooo rewarding?

------------

My condolences.

Not "UNTIL". Because I don't see stopping 60% rent increases as being anything against Conservatism. I see it as being against insanity, and for common sense. There are limits to how far conservatism might go. I'm for deporting ALL illegal aliens, and imprisoning all sanctuary city leaders. But I wouldn't support having them all be shot. Get it ?

And if you can't see without extra large print, got some glasses.

Yup. You’re a fascist.

 

[sparky]

There is a thing called government. Of the people, by the people, for the people. At least that is the ideal we strive for. Not government by and for GREEDY landlords.

I see, so you're freedoms boild down to having Gub'Mit in your back pocket, when it behooves you to....

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Here's the proof.

Savage IS mentally challenged, on any appreciable level

Saying that if an investor shouldn't do business without raising rents is like saying you shouldn't be a renter if you can't afford to pay any price increases in rent.

back to the free market, yet again....

You sound EXACTLY like her and all other leftists on your anti-capitalist, anti-liberty views

<<<Ouch>>>>
The dif is, protectionist is out to protect himself via moral justification of selfishness.....where lefties focus on the great unwashed

It's the business of government (to some degree) when it involves the fundamental survival aspects of lots of PEOPLE

welcome to the world of mentally challenged liberalism then

Do YOU call YOURself a "Conservative" ?

Your metric is somewhat challenged to do so now...

Don’t whine for the government to bail you out for your bad life decisions

Unless you're too big to fail, and have numerous congresscritters on your leash...

I didn’t call myself a conservative. I called myself a capitalist.
I’m not begging for Big Gubmint to bail me out for making bad financial decisions like a leftist like you are.

and there in lies the great divide.....

~S~

 

[Kondor3]

So, you're a Conservative UNTIL an issue impacts you directly and profoundly?

Conservatives are expected to own their own homes, to pay off their mortgages, and to be well-provisioned in their old age.

If you have not provisioned yourself in such a fashion, then you must endure the consequences.

This was a personal choice during your younger (earning) years... you are now about to reap what you have sown.

Perhaps you should have advocated for somewhat more liberal housing policies nationwide while you still could.

Rather like Jacob Marley apologizing for not benefiting his fellow Man after he died - once it was too late.

Conservatism is all about laissez faire (hands-off)... whatever the market will bear...

If you cannot afford your new rent, then you must move to cheaper quarters, or seek shelter or subsistence elsewhere...

Stop picking on poor Conservative businessmen doing what comes naturally and legally with their own properties...

Consider it a market correction...

Sucks, doesn't it?

Isn't an exclusive reliance upon Conservatism soooo rewarding?

------------

My condolences.

Not "UNTIL". Because I don't see stopping 60% rent increases as being anything against Conservatism. I see it as being against insanity, and for common sense. There are limits to how far conservatism might go. I'm for deporting ALL illegal aliens, and imprisoning all sanctuary city leaders. But I wouldn't support having them all be shot. Get it ?

And if you can't see without extra large print, got some glasses.

Perhaps the 60% rent increase is merely to bring long-understated rents back in line with current rates in your geographical area.

Perhaps the owner is trying to drive-out his tenants in order to bulldoze the place down and sell or re-develop the land.

Perhaps the owner is just bat-$hit crazy or mean-spirited.

Doesn't matter.

It's his property... not yours.

You have an option.

Move.

 

[LaDexter]

Every time I read or hear "I'm a conservative but I support BIG GOVERNMENT"

I yawn and wonder who is dumb enough to fall for that shit....

 

[protectionist]

You’re a leftist on economics. It doesn’t matter how much you hate darkies and Muslims. On economics, you sound like a clueless leftist like AOC.

If I was a leftist on economics, I would be against rent control ENTIRELY. I'm not. I'm just against unecessary gouging. And landlord NEEDS all this extra money ?

No, this isn't "economics". I support lowering the corporate tax rate. In fact, I think it should have been lowered even more than it is. I just don't support rent increases that are so high, that hundreds of people are forced to move. And for anyone who doe support that, it isn't a matter of "economics". It a matter of sanity vs insanity.

Now, I will go back to watching football. Your lamebrain and looneytune "ideas" are not even worth the dignity of a response.

 

[protectionist]

Every time I read or hear "I'm a conservative but I support BIG GOVERNMENT"

I yawn and wonder who is dumb enough to fall for that shit....

I don't support BIG GOVERNMENT. Get a brain.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Saying that if an investor shouldn't do business without raising rents is like saying you shouldn't be a renter if you can't afford to pay any price increases in rent.

What a person does with their own property that they paid for is not the business of government. If you had boxes of Archie and Jughead comic books you paid 10 cents for as a child, and can now sell them at $100.00 per copy, should government tell you that you can't do that? You can only charge 25 cents per copy?

People make investments like that all the time. My father built the house we grew up in for $9,000. It's now worth $120,000. Would it be wrong for my father to take advantage of the real estate market?

You have no idea of what the new landlords plans are. You have no idea if they will make money or lose money. You're just making wild assumptions at this point. I don't know either. I don't know the name of your apartment complex or I'd look it up, or perhaps get the phone number of the company that bought the place to ask them for the reason of ridiculous rental increases. If other apartments are going for much less than your new rental rates, then something has to be going on that you don't know about. But you'll never know unless you try your best to find out.

It's the business of government (to some degree) when it involves the fundamental survival aspects of lots of PEOPLE. You keep talking about the landlords. You don't say a word about the PEOPLE whose lives they hold in their hands.

As for the landlord's plans, I know EXACTLY what they are, because they have sent us letters telling us what the new rents are going to be. To the penny.

Perhaps, but you don't know why they are increasing the rents, and it might give you some peace to find out.

You see, if I was in your position (and I have been) the first thing I would do is try to find out WTF is going on. It's like when my one landlord refused to sign a new lease. He finally broke down and told me family is before business. It didn't make me any happier, but at least I understood what was going on. It's not like he was kicking us out just to be an asshole. He had different goals in mind and we were in the way. In fact years later, I ran into his sister when I was teaching music at the music store, and she was taking piano lessons. She apologized greatly for what happened. I told her it wasn't her fault. It was a business deal between her brother and I.

Now if I didn't get a satisfactory answer from the landlord or company, my next move would be to call local news agencies. They have investigative reporters and love stories just like yours. If news is slow, they may investigate your concern and even air it on their show. If they do, get some of your neighbors together when the reporter comes down to interview all of you. Will it help? I don't know. But one thing for sure, it wouldn't hurt.

It's not that I don't feel for you, it's just I'm looking at it from a rational point of view. It's like if you leased a car for four years. When the four years was coming up, you decide you want to keep the car, but the leasing company said they don't want to sell it to you. It's their property. They have a right to do with their property no less than you do with your property. It doesn't matter how much you love the car, the memories of family vacations, the dependability of the vehicle, the vehicle is not yours. You paid money to use another persons property for X amount of time. You met your end of the obligation, and they met theirs. When the contract is up, you have to return their property back to them as promised.

 

[LaDexter]

I don't support BIG GOVERNMENT. Get a brain.

Don't call yourself a CONSERVATIVE if you support RENT CONTROL.


Call yourself a NAZI if you support GUN CONTROL.

Get it right


YOU are NOT a CONSERVATIVE if you support RENT CONTROL by BIG GOVERNMENT.

 

[boedicca]

If the landlord is increasing rent above what the market bears, then move to a more reasonably priced unit elsewhere.

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.

And it's none of your business how your landlord spends his money. It's his, not yours.

There is a thing called government. Of the people, by the people, for the people. At least that is the ideal we strive for. Not government by and for GREEDY landlords.

No, it's not just "his" business. With a business owner who sells furniture, that's his business. With one who deals with people's homes, that his AND THEIRS.

Spoken like a true collectivist.

 

[protectionist]

Perhaps the 60% rent increase is merely to bring long-understated rents back in line with current rates in your geographical area.

Perhaps the owner is trying to drive-out his tenants in order to bulldoze the place down and sell or re-develop the land.

Perhaps the owner is just bat-$hit crazy or mean-spirited.

Doesn't matter.

It's his property... not yours.

You have an option.

Move.

That's where you're wrong NO IT IS NOT "HIS" PROPERTY. Not entirely. There are many restrictions on what he can do or can't do with that property. The size of rent increases, when governed, is only one among many others.

Look at all the landlords here pissing in their pants over the fear of unrestrained rent control. Well, they might be talking about that, I'm not. I'm just saying that raising somebody's rent from $600/month to $960/month is absurd and idiotic, and anybody who would support this lunacy is just that. A lunatic.

And for those who say "Move", YOU PAY FOR THAT MOVING. And YOU DO THE WORK, or else

 

[Toro]

You’re a leftist on economics. It doesn’t matter how much you hate darkies and Muslims. On economics, you sound like a clueless leftist like AOC.

If I was a leftist on economics, I would be against rent control ENTIRELY. I'm not. I'm just against unecessary gouging. And landlord NEEDS all this extra money ?

No, this isn't "economics". I support lowering the corporate tax rate. In fact, I think it should have been lowered even more than it is. I just don't support rent increases that are so high, that hundreds of people are forced to move. And for anyone who doe support that, it isn't a matter of "economics". It a matter of sanity vs insanity.

Now, I will go back to watching football. Your lamebrain and looneytune "ideas" are not even worth the dignity of a response.

Yeah, you’re not “entirely” a leftist. Just when it affects you.

That makes you not only a leftist, but also a hypocrite.

But I repeat myself.

 

[LaDexter]

Yeah...

"I'm opposed to BIG GOVERNMENT unless it is HANDING OUT CASH TO ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Sincerely

the entire REPUBLICAN CONGRESS 1998-2018

 

[ph3iron]

I live in an apartment complex, that recently was bought by a new landlord. That landlord has been increasing expired lease rents by as much as 60%. Imagine that your rent is $600/month and suddenly it's damn near $1,000/month.

Whoa! For low income seniors on Social Security and small pensions, this aint gonna fly. Actually, younger people still in the workforce with higher incomes, aren't taking to well to it either. Practically everybody in this complex is moving out. Some people are moving in and paying the higher rents, but not as many as are moving out. I've never seen so many moving vans in my life.

Next May, I will be moving out too, and still haven't figured out where to move to. I have limitations because of a low credit score and income, but I'll find someplace, even if it's not as good as where I am now.

All this is because Florida has no limit of what landlords can raise rents to. The only thing limiting them is new residents' capability to pay, and what they are able to rent apartments for.

But there is another side to this, This isn't oil or minerals mined from the ground. It's not furniture being made and sold. This is about PEOPLE. And it's about people who have been living in this complex for years, and these apartments are their HOMES. One woman who just moved out, had been living here for 25 years. Longtime neighbor-friendships are being obliterated.

If landlords NEED to raise rents, (say 10% or less) for some reason, that's understandable, but to raise them by HUNDREDS of dollars, just for GREED, is not what we ought to be OK with in this country. When hundreds of people are forced out of their homes, this is unacceptable. As is the case with most conservatives, I also favor deregulation of business, but this is one case that is screaming for MORE regulation, to a reasonable degree.

I'm a conservative and I don't disagree with this. It's the reason I'm not a libertarian. The free market needs some oversight.

I'm sorry about this--grossly unfair.

At least you admit the dreaded socialist VA HAS A FEW ADVANTAGES

 

[ph3iron]

Yeah...

"I'm opposed to BIG GOVERNMENT unless it is HANDING OUT CASH TO ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Sincerely

the entire REPUBLICAN CONGRESS 1998-2018

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpie said

 

[LaDexter]

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpie said

Socialize senior drugs by lying to the Congress about the estimated "static" cost = W


Inquiry Confirms Top Medicare Official Threatened Actuary Over Cost of Drug Benefits

 

[ph3iron]

I live in an apartment complex, that recently was bought by a new landlord. That landlord has been increasing expired lease rents by as much as 60%. Imagine that your rent is $600/month and suddenly it's damn near $1,000/month.

Whoa! For low income seniors on Social Security and small pensions, this aint gonna fly. Actually, younger people still in the workforce with higher incomes, aren't taking to well to it either. Practically everybody in this complex is moving out. Some people are moving in and paying the higher rents, but not as many as are moving out. I've never seen so many moving vans in my life.

Next May, I will be moving out too, and still haven't figured out where to move to. I have limitations because of a low credit score and income, but I'll find someplace, even if it's not as good as where I am now.

All this is because Florida has no limit of what landlords can raise rents to. The only thing limiting them is new residents' capability to pay, and what they are able to rent apartments for.

But there is another side to this, This isn't oil or minerals mined from the ground. It's not furniture being made and sold. This is about PEOPLE. And it's about people who have been living in this complex for years, and these apartments are their HOMES. One woman who just moved out, had been living here for 25 years. Longtime neighbor-friendships are being obliterated.

If landlords NEED to raise rents, (say 10% or less) for some reason, that's understandable, but to raise them by HUNDREDS of dollars, just for GREED, is not what we ought to be OK with in this country. When hundreds of people are forced out of their homes, this is unacceptable. As is the case with most conservatives, I also favor deregulation of business, but this is one case that is screaming for MORE regulation, to a reasonable degree.

Good luck, try Delaware.
You don't have to join the KKK to live there

 

[boedicca]

Perhaps the 60% rent increase is merely to bring long-understated rents back in line with current rates in your geographical area.

Perhaps the owner is trying to drive-out his tenants in order to bulldoze the place down and sell or re-develop the land.

Perhaps the owner is just bat-$hit crazy or mean-spirited.

Doesn't matter.

It's his property... not yours.

You have an option.

Move.

That's where you're wrong NO IT IS NOT "HIS" PROPERTY. Not entirely. There are many restrictions on what he can do or can't do with that property. The size of rent increases, when governed, is only one among many others.

Look at all the landlords here pissing in their pants over the fear of unrestrained rent control. Well, they might be talking about that, I'm not. I'm just saying that raising somebody's rent from $600/month to $960/month is absurd and idiotic, and anybody who would support this lunacy is just that. A lunatic.

And for those who say "Move", YOU PAY FOR THAT MOVING. And YOU DO THE WORK, or else

You sound like a whinger who wants other people to subsidize his lifestyle. You also need some remedial instruction in the difference between Renting and Owning.

You are a renter. Your landlord is the property owner. The fact that he rents to you does not mean he cedes his property rights to you.

 

[sparky]

No, this isn't "economics". I support lowering the corporate tax rate. In fact, I think it should have been lowered even more than it is. I just don't support rent increases that are so high, that hundreds of people are forced to move. And for anyone who doe support that, it isn't a matter of "economics". It a matter of sanity vs insanity.

Which you apparently wish to foist on governance .....yet>>>>>

I don't support BIG GOVERNMENT. Get a brain.

lol....