Yes, You're A Communist

[ThoughtCrimes]

This binary, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help the conservative cause. Why? Because it's just so easy to poke gaping holes in binary thought.

We're nowhere near communal ownership of property, we're nowhere near central control of production & distribution. Not within miles.

I could go on.

Economic/political systems exist along a continuum. There are very few absolutes. But that's too complicated to fit on bumper sticker, and it is not something you'll hear from a radio host or internet blogger, whose professional motivations are to keep their constituents naive, angry and combative.
.

HA! A very sound post and another voice of reason on this absurd OP! Good post Sir!

 

[Sbiker]

Communism, socialism and liberalism - good company... Add here a feodalism, it based at a faith in government too... :

Welcome to the board, Sbiker.

What do you mean, 'good company'?

I know of no such term as 'feodalism.'

Feudalism. Sorry for my spelling.

I mean, if you could see a bloody battles between communists and liberals here, you should not combine this two different things.

Liberalism - is priority of individualism over the society. In fact, people cannot live in society and feel free of it, so in practice liberalism is a kind of parasitism of some people on others.

Communism, in ideal - is something like "superdemocracy" - a dictatorship of working majority. Without rules of defence of some minority groups in society. It's a reason of hate of communism from some different kind of people...

LOL!!! You're the complete opposite of accurate. You couldn't possibly be more incorrect and wrong

You just show on my example, how you can mix strongly opposed concepts
I'm right, because I could see at practice, what was communist and what is liberal ideologies...

ideologies or just a skewed perception from a lack of universal knowledge....

Who knows? Lenin said - if the 2x2=4 fact would have a political meaning, we'll have an endless war between 2x2=3 and 2x2=5.5 variants

 

[PoliticalChic]

Before you go on with your fence sitting.....how about you try to respond to post #114.

I can't think of an issue on which I'm on the fence.

And post 114 has nothing to do with my post, which said: "We're nowhere near communal ownership of property, we're nowhere near central control of production & distribution."
.

You wrote this:
"This binary, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help the conservative cause. Why? Because it's just so easy to poke gaping holes in binary thought."

Get off that fence before you get splinters.

And post #114 puts you in your place.

You're certainly welcome to point out an issue on which I'm on the fence.

That quote was quite clear and not on a fence.

You've used the term twice now, perhaps it's time to back up your words.
.

I did.

Why don't you see if you can find any of the posts which shows similarities between communism and Liberalism/Progressivism not to be correct.




My position is individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional governance.

Anyone to the left of that view is one of the sextuplets.

Time for you to take back these words,
, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help"

 

[NightFox]

Btw, does anybody know, in reality both communism and socialism were based on very wide low-level democracy. People didn't have ability to say "Hey, Brezhnev, you doing something wrong!", but could say "hey, my boss - you are really doing something wrong!" - don't try to repeat it in current life.

So, it's a logical, Ayn Rand hated the communism, because she couldn't live in communism, like her bloodsuckers family... Communism is really a formation for million people, which prefer to live by their labor, not by slave-like exploitation of other people...

Uh-huh and it's worked out so spectacularly for the 100's of millions of people that have lived in countries where it's been implemented too, just ask all the slaves..er "citizens" of the former Soviet Union just how peachy things were.

Oh, it was a perfect, beautiful time, instead of current...
You claim people of former USSR as slaves only because you don't know, the real slaves - a billion people around. A slaves of money, of political correctness, of gay propaganda, of democracy ideology, of stock playing, periodic financial crisyses and so on, till the Obamacare... It's really psychologically hard, but look at mirror first

So let me guess this straight, your argument is that the citizens living under capitalism enjoying a wide distribution of wealth, prosperity, upward mobility, living standards and individual liberty are the slaves; while the citizens of the Soviet Union weren't ?
BTW; Apparently the television signals from Earth have been horribly distorted on their journey to your planet, don't worry
we'll send a probe loaded with MPEG's so you can see what life was really like in the good ole Soviet Union.

Do you really think you got all this things because of "awesome capitalism" or "kindness richmen"???

You got ALL of it, because USSR HAD it! Because capitalism needed to defend its existanse. Because without of all this things you would be the first, who want to change capitalism to socialism.

So explain how it is that we "had it" before the Soviet Union even existed, worm holes? reversals of the arrows of time? or good old fashion sorcery?

USSR was fallen.. Do you really live better, since 80th? How about statistic?

Yes; just to name a handful of the standards of living improvements since the Soviet menace to humanity caved in on itself; we have cheap, mobile global communications now, we have automobiles that are vastly superior in terms of value proposition than were being produced when the USSR fell, we have better built homes and a plethora of new outlets for entertainment...when you join the rest of us in the 21st century you'll get to enjoy all the wonderful things and many, many, many more too.

BTW. I was born at Soviet Union. I LIVED there, instead of you

Yeah and how'd that work out for you and the rest of the inhabitants of SovietTopia?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just wondering.....have you read her books?

I have, yet feel the need to wretch...

So....you have strong feelings based on ignorance?

It is one of the benefits of being a Liberal....you never have to read anything, or even know anything.
A real time saver.

It's like the Communist Manifesto, the Bible, Mein Kamph, they suck, they are dry, philosophical moments I don't feel the propaganda lifting my spirit....I'd rather be reading IRS laws....Those can be eye crossers...

So you rushed out to this thread to proclaim you know nothing?

Excellent.

Clean off your specs.

The OP explains:
There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Meaning you have to admit that the OP is 100% accurate.

Gracias.

Communism, socialism and liberalism - good company... Add here a feodalism, it based at a faith in government too... :

Welcome to the board, Sbiker.

What do you mean, 'good company'?

I know of no such term as 'feodalism.'

Feudalism. Sorry for my spelling.

I mean, if you could see a bloody battles between communists and liberals here, you should not combine this two different things.

Liberalism - is priority of individualism over the society. In fact, people cannot live in society and feel free of it, so in practice liberalism is a kind of parasitism of some people on others.

Communism, in ideal - is something like "superdemocracy" - a dictatorship of working majority. Without rules of defence of some minority groups in society. It's a reason of hate of communism from some different kind of people...

But the USA is not a democracy,,sorry old chap, but that alley oop won't score you shit......

Don't worry.. Almost all social consepts were seriously distorted last years. What is communism? What is capitalism? There are no any accurate definitions, only opinions... Awesome food for trolls like you and me ))

For starters....communism is atheistic.
The service that is an inherent part of capitalism is in accord with Judeo-Christian religion and values than is socialism/Liberalism/communism.

 

[Sbiker]

Are we starving to death? According to PC, the US is a communist country.

If it wasn't for the evil, socialist, food stamps thousands of people would be indeed be starving under the holy "free" market rules

Tonight on Fox news, the starving Swedes...

To be followed by a documentary entitled "Retards that believe Sweden is a socialist country"....

Name a socialist country.

Cuba... you want me to point it out on a map for you too?

Also North Corea....
Just compare it with capitalistic Somalie. Where parents are selling own children for a daily rescue from starvation, while in North Corea local scientists develop a hydrohen bomb. The evident difference between capitalism and socialism, isn't it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Notice how PC never offers a coherent alternative?

You couldn't waterboard out of her a coherent plan for government that she would actually endorse.

I do all the time...here it is again: stop lying, NYLiar.

 

[Mac1958]

Before you go on with your fence sitting.....how about you try to respond to post #114.

I can't think of an issue on which I'm on the fence.

And post 114 has nothing to do with my post, which said: "We're nowhere near communal ownership of property, we're nowhere near central control of production & distribution."
.

You wrote this:
"This binary, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help the conservative cause. Why? Because it's just so easy to poke gaping holes in binary thought."

Get off that fence before you get splinters.

And post #114 puts you in your place.

You're certainly welcome to point out an issue on which I'm on the fence.

That quote was quite clear and not on a fence.

You've used the term twice now, perhaps it's time to back up your words.
.

I did.

Why don't you see if you can find any of the posts which shows similarities between communism and Liberalism/Progressivism not to be correct.




My position is individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional governance.

Anyone to the left of that view is one of the sextuplets.

Time for you to take back these words,
, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help"

Your words, you even bolded them for us: There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

No essential difference. Your words.

There are clear differences, and I don't know if you're serious or just fooling around for fun.

Or maybe you actually believe that, which would vividly illustrate the last paragraph in my post 126.

Now, on which issues am I "on the fence"? Specifically?
.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

It's like the Communist Manifesto, the Bible, Mein Kamph, they suck, they are dry, philosophical moments I don't feel the propaganda lifting my spirit....I'd rather be reading IRS laws....Those can be eye crossers...

So you rushed out to this thread to proclaim you know nothing?

Excellent.

In the spirit of the OP which proves nothing........and as William Shakespeare said in a play, Nothing shall come of nothing, I speak anon...King Lear..

I prove everything I say.

More?

Watch this:

4. The sextuplets, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism, Fascism, Progressivism, Nazism, were born in Germany.....birthed by the philosopher Hegel.



a. "...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (page 144)

b. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.
Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")



As so many Liberals deny that they are essential the same as communists....here is an amazingly similar statement from a member of the god of Democrat's....Franklin Roosevelt's commissariat:

5. Notice the same words from a modern American Democrat, and Franklin Roosevelt supporter, of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.” From a speech delivered on the Senate floorMay 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


In what way is this Democrat's pronouncement any different from those of Mussolini, Stalin, or Hitler....????

​

So? The largest contiguous empire in the world was held by people by China, the Mongols, shouldn't we be fearing them also, I mean, at anytime they could go back to reconquering their old empire...

Speaking of which....

1. Obama releases all the terrorists in Gitmo
2. He pulls out of the 'empty' prison camp
3. His communist pals, the Castros, take it over....
4. ...and sell it to.....guess who. China.
5. Ending of the Monroe Doctrine: transforming the entire hemisphere.


Could be?

Get thee informed, Chica! The US has a perpetual lease on Gitmo, so your idiotic fantasy isn't going to take wing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Before you go on with your fence sitting.....how about you try to respond to post #114.

I can't think of an issue on which I'm on the fence.

And post 114 has nothing to do with my post, which said: "We're nowhere near communal ownership of property, we're nowhere near central control of production & distribution."
.

You wrote this:
"This binary, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help the conservative cause. Why? Because it's just so easy to poke gaping holes in binary thought."

Get off that fence before you get splinters.

And post #114 puts you in your place.

You're certainly welcome to point out an issue on which I'm on the fence.

That quote was quite clear and not on a fence.

You've used the term twice now, perhaps it's time to back up your words.
.

I did.

Why don't you see if you can find any of the posts which shows similarities between communism and Liberalism/Progressivism not to be correct.




My position is individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional governance.

Anyone to the left of that view is one of the sextuplets.

Time for you to take back these words,
, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help"

Your words, you even bolded them for us: There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

No essential difference. Your words.

There are clear differences, and I don't know if you're serious or just fooling around for fun.

Or maybe you actually believe that, which would vividly illustrate the last paragraph in my post 126.

Now, on which issues am I "on the fence"? Specifically?
.

True or not:
At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

 

[NightFox]

Okay, so then you must agree that the throngs of RW'ers on this forum, for example, including the OP of this thread,
are fucking idiots for calling Obama a Marxist.

Eh?

No I mustn't, they are incorrect when they label Obama a Marxist, my theory is that the reason that they call Obama a "Marxist" is that like yourself they've never read any of Karl Marx's works and also like you they have a tendency to parrot the opinions that their partisans masters feed them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So you rushed out to this thread to proclaim you know nothing?

Excellent.

In the spirit of the OP which proves nothing........and as William Shakespeare said in a play, Nothing shall come of nothing, I speak anon...King Lear..

I prove everything I say.

More?

Watch this:

4. The sextuplets, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism, Fascism, Progressivism, Nazism, were born in Germany.....birthed by the philosopher Hegel.



a. "...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (page 144)

b. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual") concretizes the collectivist belief that individuals have no rights and that "the greater good" is the only standard of value. Under such a system, man is not an end to himself, only a tool to be sacrificed for the Führer, autocrat or ruling mob.
Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")



As so many Liberals deny that they are essential the same as communists....here is an amazingly similar statement from a member of the god of Democrat's....Franklin Roosevelt's commissariat:

5. Notice the same words from a modern American Democrat, and Franklin Roosevelt supporter, of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.” From a speech delivered on the Senate floorMay 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


In what way is this Democrat's pronouncement any different from those of Mussolini, Stalin, or Hitler....????

​

So? The largest contiguous empire in the world was held by people by China, the Mongols, shouldn't we be fearing them also, I mean, at anytime they could go back to reconquering their old empire...

Speaking of which....

1. Obama releases all the terrorists in Gitmo
2. He pulls out of the 'empty' prison camp
3. His communist pals, the Castros, take it over....
4. ...and sell it to.....guess who. China.
5. Ending of the Monroe Doctrine: transforming the entire hemisphere.


Could be?

Get thee informed, Chica! The US has a perpetual lease on Gitmo, so your idiotic fantasy isn't going to take wing.

And if it happens....will you admit your are a communist dupe?

 

[Sbiker]

Btw, does anybody know, in reality both communism and socialism were based on very wide low-level democracy. People didn't have ability to say "Hey, Brezhnev, you doing something wrong!", but could say "hey, my boss - you are really doing something wrong!" - don't try to repeat it in current life.

So, it's a logical, Ayn Rand hated the communism, because she couldn't live in communism, like her bloodsuckers family... Communism is really a formation for million people, which prefer to live by their labor, not by slave-like exploitation of other people...

Uh-huh and it's worked out so spectacularly for the 100's of millions of people that have lived in countries where it's been implemented too, just ask all the slaves..er "citizens" of the former Soviet Union just how peachy things were.

Oh, it was a perfect, beautiful time, instead of current...
You claim people of former USSR as slaves only because you don't know, the real slaves - a billion people around. A slaves of money, of political correctness, of gay propaganda, of democracy ideology, of stock playing, periodic financial crisyses and so on, till the Obamacare... It's really psychologically hard, but look at mirror first

So let me guess this straight, your argument is that the citizens living under capitalism enjoying a wide distribution of wealth, prosperity, upward mobility, living standards and individual liberty are the slaves; while the citizens of the Soviet Union weren't ?
BTW; Apparently the television signals from Earth have been horribly distorted on their journey to your planet, don't worry
we'll send a probe loaded with MPEG's so you can see what life was really like in the good ole Soviet Union.

Do you really think you got all this things because of "awesome capitalism" or "kindness richmen"???

You got ALL of it, because USSR HAD it! Because capitalism needed to defend its existanse. Because without of all this things you would be the first, who want to change capitalism to socialism.

So explain how it is that we "had it" before the Soviet Union even existed, worm holes? reversals of the arrows of time? or good old fashion sorcery?

USSR was fallen.. Do you really live better, since 80th? How about statistic?

Yes; just to name a handful of the standards of living improvements since the Soviet menace to humanity caved in on itself; we have cheap, mobile global communications now, we have automobiles that are vastly superior in terms of value proposition than were being produced when the USSR fell, we have better built homes and a plethora of new outlets for entertainment...when you join the rest of us in the 21st century you'll get to enjoy all the wonderful things and many, many, many more too.

BTW. I was born at Soviet Union. I LIVED there, instead of you

Yeah and how'd that work out for you and the rest of the inhabitants of SovietTopia?

The USSR was a great country with happy life for almost all of people

wide distribution of wealth, prosperity, upward mobility, living standards and individual liberty

Wide distribution of wealth - at the start of Stalin's rule, just look on movies of the sport parades in 30th...
Prosperity - in the 30th and 50th - a superior.
Upward mobility - who were a government officials in USSR. A sons of peasants and workers...
Living standards before the war grew much.

It all happens, when US was in a Great Depression. Your government made a big work to do the same in US, but without Stalin's achievements your presidents did nothing. Just don't consider them as "altruistic fools".

 

[NightFox]

You're certainly welcome to point out an issue on which I'm on the fence.
.

Well Mac, you have been rather taciturn on which side of the great "Tastes Great" - "Less Filling" debate you come down on, which has led me to suspect that you actually enjoy sitting on the fence when such monumental questions are raised.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Okay, so then you must agree that the throngs of RW'ers on this forum, for example, including the OP of this thread,
are fucking idiots for calling Obama a Marxist.

Eh?

No I mustn't, they are incorrect when they label Obama a Marxist, my theory is that the reason that they call Obama a "Marxist" is that like yourself they've never read any of Karl Marx's works and also like you they have a tendency to parrot the opinions that their partisans masters feed them.

I have.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.


"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof



And this:
"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too. Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.

They didn't call it ObamaCare....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Uh-huh and it's worked out so spectacularly for the 100's of millions of people that have lived in countries where it's been implemented too, just ask all the slaves..er "citizens" of the former Soviet Union just how peachy things were.

Oh, it was a perfect, beautiful time, instead of current...
You claim people of former USSR as slaves only because you don't know, the real slaves - a billion people around. A slaves of money, of political correctness, of gay propaganda, of democracy ideology, of stock playing, periodic financial crisyses and so on, till the Obamacare... It's really psychologically hard, but look at mirror first

So let me guess this straight, your argument is that the citizens living under capitalism enjoying a wide distribution of wealth, prosperity, upward mobility, living standards and individual liberty are the slaves; while the citizens of the Soviet Union weren't ?
BTW; Apparently the television signals from Earth have been horribly distorted on their journey to your planet, don't worry
we'll send a probe loaded with MPEG's so you can see what life was really like in the good ole Soviet Union.

Do you really think you got all this things because of "awesome capitalism" or "kindness richmen"???

You got ALL of it, because USSR HAD it! Because capitalism needed to defend its existanse. Because without of all this things you would be the first, who want to change capitalism to socialism.

So explain how it is that we "had it" before the Soviet Union even existed, worm holes? reversals of the arrows of time? or good old fashion sorcery?

USSR was fallen.. Do you really live better, since 80th? How about statistic?

Yes; just to name a handful of the standards of living improvements since the Soviet menace to humanity caved in on itself; we have cheap, mobile global communications now, we have automobiles that are vastly superior in terms of value proposition than were being produced when the USSR fell, we have better built homes and a plethora of new outlets for entertainment...when you join the rest of us in the 21st century you'll get to enjoy all the wonderful things and many, many, many more too.

BTW. I was born at Soviet Union. I LIVED there, instead of you

Yeah and how'd that work out for you and the rest of the inhabitants of SovietTopia?

The USSR was a great country with happy life for almost all of people

wide distribution of wealth, prosperity, upward mobility, living standards and individual liberty

Wide distribution of wealth - at the start of Stalin's rule, just look on movies of the sport parades in 30th...
Prosperity - in the 30th and 50th - a superior.
Upward mobility - who were a government officials in USSR. A sons of peasants and workers...
Living standards before the war grew much.

It all happens, when US was in a Great Depression. Your government made a big work to do the same in US, but without Stalin's achievements your presidents did nothing. Just don't consider them as "altruistic fools".

This is just a stupid post.

Clearly, you mean none of it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Yes, You're A Communist"

This fails as a straw man fallacy, a ridiculous lie devoid of fact or merit, as ignorant as it is wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. American Liberalism, like socialism, is simply a permutation of Karl Marx's view...

a. "The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"




b. Paul Kengor tries to soften the blow, providing this difference between Liberals, Progressives, and their cousins, the Communists:

"The progressive left, and the liberal left, while not themselves communists, share many of the same sympathies, such of redistribution of wealth, and worker’s rights, nationalizations of industry, etc, but are not quite as far left as the communists, and would not go to the same lengths as the communists to achieve their goals. This does not mean, though, that the help of these dupes is not necessary in order for the communists to achieve victory. Even at their peak, in the ‘30’s, the Communist Party of the United States never had more than 100 thousand members: so deception of the ‘dupes’ was critical.

The archives tell a tale of plans and schemes between the CPUSA and the Communist International in Moscow, to dupe progressives and liberals: “go to rallies,” “don’t let them know you are a communist!,” “If anyone reveals that you are a communist, claim it is red-baiting,” “yell ‘McCarthyism!” Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century”



Thus, the government school grad quoted in the OP: "OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats." One More Of Those Environmentalist Fairytales

 

[Sbiker]

Do you always quote crazy people from your head?

+1 )

Btw, does anybody know, in reality both communism and socialism were based on very wide low-level democracy. People didn't have ability to say "Hey, Brezhnev, you doing something wrong!", but could say "hey, my boss - you are really doing something wrong!" - don't try to repeat it in current life.

So, it's a logical, Ayn Rand hated the communism, because she couldn't live in communism, like her bloodsuckers family... Communism is really a formation for million people, which prefer to live by their labor, not by slave-like exploitation of other people...

If you love starving to death, then yes, Communism rocks

Just point on somebody, who dead from starvation because of Communism ))
Don't repeat a stupid propaganda. There are a few things in world, which we cannot understand by simple logic... Believing in fairy tales, do you know, how much you really pay for every of it?

You're not serious.

But...heck....lots of Americans are communists and don't know it.....so, you may be just as indoctrinated.
Welcome to the Democrat Party.....soon to be sharia compliant.

Sorry, I'm trying to be serious, but it's really hard, swimming between the opinions, full of crazy propaganda...

Pure communism, or socialism, or liberalism - is a things like Polaris, just a roadmaps, how to improve the life of society. We cannot discuss all of them without current politic and economic situation.

 

[Mac1958]

I can't think of an issue on which I'm on the fence.

And post 114 has nothing to do with my post, which said: "We're nowhere near communal ownership of property, we're nowhere near central control of production & distribution."
.

You wrote this:
"This binary, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help the conservative cause. Why? Because it's just so easy to poke gaping holes in binary thought."

Get off that fence before you get splinters.

And post #114 puts you in your place.

You're certainly welcome to point out an issue on which I'm on the fence.

That quote was quite clear and not on a fence.

You've used the term twice now, perhaps it's time to back up your words.
.

I did.

Why don't you see if you can find any of the posts which shows similarities between communism and Liberalism/Progressivism not to be correct.




My position is individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional governance.

Anyone to the left of that view is one of the sextuplets.

Time for you to take back these words,
, "anyone to the Left of me is a communist" thinking really doesn't help"

Your words, you even bolded them for us: There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

No essential difference. Your words.

There are clear differences, and I don't know if you're serious or just fooling around for fun.

Or maybe you actually believe that, which would vividly illustrate the last paragraph in my post 126.

Now, on which issues am I "on the fence"? Specifically?
.

True or not:
At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Looks like you're not going to provide examples of issues on which I'm on the fence.

Must be a big secret or something. Okay. I tried.

I notice you left out the there is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism part.

That's a problem, because I'm not aware of any conservatives who are for zero taxes and/or zero government. And every percentage point of taxes you support, every governmental entity you accept, moves you to the Left on the aforementioned continuum.

If you think your rhetoric will lead to the demolition of every governmental entity or program outside the military, if that's your goal, great.

Otherwise, you have to exist on the continuum with the rest of us.
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