"You didn't get there on your own"

[teapartysamurai]

The answer to his question was in several other posts. I'm just running out of different ways of saying the same thing and he'll probably never get it anyway.

No you didn't!

You just made excuses for why you lost your business, but one line made it clear, YOU JUST QUIT AND BLAMED EVERYBODY ELSE!

And BTW, I'm NOT a HE. You are getting your ass kicked by a woman.

How's that for your "war on women?"

I'll be darned. I kind of pictured you as a male, loser, high school dropout, wanna be internet tough guy posting from mom and dads basement. Most women are smarter.

See what I told you?

When libs are losing, they claim they are winning anyway, and then just call names.

Notice he is no longer even discussing the topic of the thread?

 

[mudwhistle]

The implied point that Obama is trying to make is that successful people owe the gov't more money. To spin it any other way is dishonest, he wants to raise taxes on the top 1% and he is trying to use this nonsense as a reason to justify it.

It is nonsense because while every successful person did get help along the way from somebody, they do not owe the gov't more taxes for whatever assistance the gov't may have provided, directly or otherwise. It is the gov'ts job to provide roads and bridges, airposts and schools, national security and a state dept, for everyone's benefit. Almost every person, successful or otherwise, already pays for that one way or another; to suggest that they owe more is incoherent because all of us got the same benefit from gov't projects and programs. A successful person made more out of it than did others, for a variety of reasons. But it is illogical nonsense to say that for that reason the successful person owes more.

And BTW, they are already paying more than their fair share. Who do you think gives the most to charities and public works? Tell you what, when gov't stops wasting so much money, when they stop picking winners and losers, when they stop rewarding their benefactors, when they become a lot more efficient and effective with our money THEN we can talk about raising taxes. Oh, and BTW, that'll be after those buttfucks close all the loopholes, tax breaks, subsidies, and rewrite the tax code.

They are at the lowest rate they've ever been, and have been so for quite long enough. Maybe if we weren't losing so much money on tax havens the likes of which Mr. Romney is happily utilizing, taxes wouldn't need to be raised? It's RIDICULOUS that Romney pays less than 15%. Simply ridiculous.

C'mon now, you don't think rich democrats aren't doing the same? Isn't it a bit disingenuous to point the finger just at Romney?

How come no outrage at Warren Buffet for putting over a billion dollars into Bill Gates' Foundation last year, a tax haven? He did with the specific req't that the money would not be taxed, wouldn't have made the contribution otherwise. What are the ramifications of limiting or eliminating tax havens? What'll be the unintended consequences?

You say it's ridiculous that a rich guy like Romney pays only 15% or less. after the first of the year, unless the Bush Tax Cuts are extended for the top 1%, the tax rate for dividends and cap gains goes up dramatically; goes up even more if the ACA is not changed or repealed. Do you really think this economy can withstand that?

Jeffery Fucken Immelt......Obama's jobs czar.....CEO of General Electric.....paid ZERO Motherfucken Taxes!!!!

Tax the Rich????

Gimme a fucken break.

 

[teapartysamurai]

O hai. Fox News truncated the President's remarks and then went screaming apeshit based on their misquotation instead of what he actually said? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Here's the full context *probably AGAIN* of what he ACTUALLY said.



Gee. It sounds so much more logical (and actually like the President) when you say it THAT WAY.

You know. The way he ACTUALLY SAID IT.

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.

Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

You act like they didn't pay for any of these goods, services, or employees!

Where do you think businesses get these things. The government just gives them to businesses for free?

I swear, I think you believe that!

 

[teapartysamurai]

No you didn't!

You just made excuses for why you lost your business, but one line made it clear, YOU JUST QUIT AND BLAMED EVERYBODY ELSE!

And BTW, I'm NOT a HE. You are getting your ass kicked by a woman.

How's that for your "war on women?"

I'll be darned. I kind of pictured you as a male, loser, high school dropout, wanna be internet tough guy posting from mom and dads basement. Most women are smarter.

And s/h/it thinks you're getting your ass kicked by s/h/it. Even funnier.

No, the sad thing is, you think you are kicking ass!

 

[teapartysamurai]

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

They benefit no more than any other person could.

In spite of what Mitt Romney says, companies are not people. A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

Hey dumbass!

By that argument, Unions are not people!

Governments are not people!

We living in this house are not people!

Why we are all not people, because we benefit from the same things!!!!!!!!!!!!

Idiot!

 

[teapartysamurai]

I heard one of the paid Oligarch callers on Mark Thompson call in yesterday and the new talking point is "worked my butt off" these paid callers who say they own businesses, dont, of course.

They are feigning offense at Obama pointing out the obvious about the people they work for...

Most of the rightwing posters here that all of a sudden own their own business, dont...

for those few who do, shame on you for using our awesome infrastructure to make your profit and then claim you did it all on your own...shame shame shame

Please keep posting!

I want every voter in America to read you.

You will guarrantee an Obama defeat!

 

[teapartysamurai]

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

FYI I did more than 90% of the code upgrades myself. I worked 18 hours a day for 3 months just to open the doors.

I did that without a paycheck did any of you help me pay my bills, buy materials etc?

No.

No one but my wife and I risked anything. "society" was not sleeping on the floor with us during construction now was it?

I don't see why you sheep are so fixated on roads. Businesses pay more for the use of roads than you do. The roads are there and there is nothing stopping any of you people from getting the same benefit that a business does from them.

To say a person's business success was due to a road is just plain dumb.

You bought materials. From where. And how did they get to the store they were purchased at.

The. Roads. Need. Upgrading.

I'm sorry this upsets you, but unfortunately, use = wear & tear = need for repairs. Why does that anger you so badly!?

What came first genius? The entenpreneur who invented the car, or the governmemnt who built the roads?

What came first? The company that produced the cement, tar, and black top for roads, or the government needing them for roads?

and you idiots talk about what's obvious?

 

[teapartysamurai]

BD, you are witnessing the power of propaganda on someone who isnt very bright to begin with, welcome to the entire republiklan party circa 2012...

Another example. Liberals condemn in others what they arrogantly (and in this case laughingly) refuse to see in themselves.

 

[peach174]

Because you conservative dimbulbs only see the world in black and white. Either you make yourself a success or the government does.

I'll spell this out for you since you're probably too stupid to get it from this clue. It takes a motivated entrepreneur AND the infrastructure that government provides to create a success.

Without that motivated entrepreneur who invented the vehicle, there would be no infrastructure.

With the invention of the automobile, it was the public investment in road infrastructure that made the automotive industry take off. Nobody would have bought cars if there were no roads to drive them on

Yes, they did.
It was Henry Ford who invented the assembly line and made the auto affordable that made the automotive industry take off.
People were driving without roads many got stuck in the mud. Most were dirt roads.
Watch this at 4:30 on and it explains about no roads to city streets and why the Model T had to be built to handle anything.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4KrIMZpwCY]Ford Model T - 100 Years Later - YouTube[/ame]

 

[mudwhistle]

With this speech.

"You didn't build anything"......Obama is showing us why nobody wants to invest in America the way they used to.

He's not only telling the rich he doesn't repect their accomplishments, their success, he's telling the rest of us poor and middle-class that we can't succeed. Why even try anymore?

 

[Sallow]

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.

Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

FYI I did more than 90% of the code upgrades myself. I worked 18 hours a day for 3 months just to open the doors.

I did that without a paycheck did any of you help me pay my bills, buy materials etc?

No.

No one but my wife and I risked anything. "society" was not sleeping on the floor with us during construction now was it?

I don't see why you sheep are so fixated on roads. Businesses pay more for the use of roads than you do. The roads are there and there is nothing stopping any of you people from getting the same benefit that a business does from them.

To say a person's business success was due to a road is just plain dumb.

 

[teapartysamurai]

In spite of what Mitt Romney says, companies are not people. A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

And businesses pay much much more for those services than so employees. Seems to me employees benefit more from business than from the fucking government.

And again any person could benefit to the same extent from roads as a business.

Its a two way street

Businesses make money off of every employee. A job is not charity. An employer receives labor which he makes a profit off of

And the employee doen't benefit from the job?

The government doesn't benefit from the taxes that guys pays from the job?

The economy doesn't benefit, thus the government benefit from the money this employee spends to fund other businesses, who create other jobs??

Did government create all this, or the entenpreneur?

 

[DiamondDave]

The implied point that Obama is trying to make is that successful people owe the gov't more money. To spin it any other way is dishonest, he wants to raise taxes on the top 1% and he is trying to use this nonsense as a reason to justify it.

It is nonsense because while every successful person did get help along the way from somebody, they do not owe the gov't more taxes for whatever assistance the gov't may have provided, directly or otherwise. It is the gov'ts job to provide roads and bridges, airposts and schools, national security and a state dept, for everyone's benefit. Almost every person, successful or otherwise, already pays for that one way or another; to suggest that they owe more is incoherent because all of us got the same benefit from gov't projects and programs. A successful person made more out of it than did others, for a variety of reasons. But it is illogical nonsense to say that for that reason the successful person owes more.

And BTW, they are already paying more than their fair share. Who do you think gives the most to charities and public works? Tell you what, when gov't stops wasting so much money, when they stop picking winners and losers, when they stop rewarding their benefactors, when they become a lot more efficient and effective with our money THEN we can talk about raising taxes. Oh, and BTW, that'll be after those buttfucks close all the loopholes, tax breaks, subsidies, and rewrite the tax code.

They are at the lowest rate they've ever been, and have been so for quite long enough. Maybe if we weren't losing so much money on tax havens the likes of which Mr. Romney is happily utilizing, taxes wouldn't need to be raised? It's RIDICULOUS that Romney pays less than 15%. Simply ridiculous.

Do you actually know the laws with offshore accounts?

Probably not.. or you would not be blowing the amount of hot air that you are

Offshore banks do not prevent tax being paid on interest earned... the IRS is pretty much a stickler on this... in the US, if you are caught sneaking, it is a charge of perjury

What is ridiculous is that anyone pays over 15%... well.. that in combination with HUGE numbers of people paying ZERO%

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because you conservative dimbulbs only see the world in black and white. Either you make yourself a success or the government does.

I'll spell this out for you since you're probably too stupid to get it from this clue. It takes a motivated entrepreneur AND the infrastructure that government provides to create a success.

Without that motivated entrepreneur who invented the vehicle, there would be no infrastructure.

With the invention of the automobile, it was the public investment in road infrastructure that made the automotive industry take off. Nobody would have bought cars if there were no roads to drive them on

What?????????

The expressway wasn't even a reality until the 50s!

In both cases the car, and even the materials to BUILD ROADS, THE BUSINESS CAME FIRST, NOT THE GOVENMENT!

 

[teapartysamurai]

If that is the best you have....Good luck

The best I have?

Seems to me you've become complacent.

What would it take.....mushroom clouds over Israel?
Another jet crashing into another skyscraper?

GD liberal assholes.

"The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud"

You guys used that one already

And apparently, you still can't refute it.

 

[Sallow]

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

O hai. Fox News truncated the President's remarks and then went screaming apeshit based on their misquotation instead of what he actually said? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Here's the full context *probably AGAIN* of what he ACTUALLY said.

We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …


There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

Gee. It sounds so much more logical (and actually like the President) when you say it THAT WAY.

You know. The way he ACTUALLY SAID IT.

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.
Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

Wait a minute.

You borrowed money?

What the fuck.

You borrowed money?

Don't fucking tell me you went to a bank and borrowed money.

Why didn't you have the cash on hand?

Or heck..why didn't you just get the materials on your own.

That's so freaking typical.

Borrowing money..gosh. On the tit of the government.

So disappointing.

 

[teapartysamurai]

The implied point that Obama is trying to make is that successful people owe the gov't more money. To spin it any other way is dishonest, he wants to raise taxes on the top 1% and he is trying to use this nonsense as a reason to justify it.

It is nonsense because while every successful person did get help along the way from somebody, they do not owe the gov't more taxes for whatever assistance the gov't may have provided, directly or otherwise. It is the gov'ts job to provide roads and bridges, airposts and schools, national security and a state dept, for everyone's benefit. Almost every person, successful or otherwise, already pays for that one way or another; to suggest that they owe more is incoherent because all of us got the same benefit from gov't projects and programs. A successful person made more out of it than did others, for a variety of reasons. But it is illogical nonsense to say that for that reason the successful person owes more.

And BTW, they are already paying more than their fair share. Who do you think gives the most to charities and public works? Tell you what, when gov't stops wasting so much money, when they stop picking winners and losers, when they stop rewarding their benefactors, when they become a lot more efficient and effective with our money THEN we can talk about raising taxes. Oh, and BTW, that'll be after those buttfucks close all the loopholes, tax breaks, subsidies, and rewrite the tax code.

They are at the lowest rate they've ever been, and have been so for quite long enough. Maybe if we weren't losing so much money on tax havens the likes of which Mr. Romney is happily utilizing, taxes wouldn't need to be raised? It's RIDICULOUS that Romney pays less than 15%. Simply ridiculous.

Our corporate rate (for example) is one of the HIGHEST IN THE WORLD!

And if you want to complain about capital gains, it was Clinton that signed the reduction in capital gains into law.

Funny that after he did, Tax revenues into Washington, went WAY UP!

 

[BDBoop]

The implied point that Obama is trying to make is that successful people owe the gov't more money. To spin it any other way is dishonest, he wants to raise taxes on the top 1% and he is trying to use this nonsense as a reason to justify it.

It is nonsense because while every successful person did get help along the way from somebody, they do not owe the gov't more taxes for whatever assistance the gov't may have provided, directly or otherwise. It is the gov'ts job to provide roads and bridges, airposts and schools, national security and a state dept, for everyone's benefit. Almost every person, successful or otherwise, already pays for that one way or another; to suggest that they owe more is incoherent because all of us got the same benefit from gov't projects and programs. A successful person made more out of it than did others, for a variety of reasons. But it is illogical nonsense to say that for that reason the successful person owes more.

And BTW, they are already paying more than their fair share. Who do you think gives the most to charities and public works? Tell you what, when gov't stops wasting so much money, when they stop picking winners and losers, when they stop rewarding their benefactors, when they become a lot more efficient and effective with our money THEN we can talk about raising taxes. Oh, and BTW, that'll be after those buttfucks close all the loopholes, tax breaks, subsidies, and rewrite the tax code.

They are at the lowest rate they've ever been, and have been so for quite long enough. Maybe if we weren't losing so much money on tax havens the likes of which Mr. Romney is happily utilizing, taxes wouldn't need to be raised? It's RIDICULOUS that Romney pays less than 15%. Simply ridiculous.

C'mon now, you don't think rich democrats aren't doing the same? Isn't it a bit disingenuous to point the finger just at Romney?

How come no outrage at Warren Buffet for putting over a billion dollars into Bill Gates' Foundation last year, a tax haven? He did with the specific req't that the money would not be taxed, wouldn't have made the contribution otherwise. What are the ramifications of limiting or eliminating tax havens? What'll be the unintended consequences?

You say it's ridiculous that a rich guy like Romney pays only 15% or less. after the first of the year, unless the Bush Tax Cuts are extended for the top 1%, the tax rate for dividends and cap gains goes up dramatically; goes up even more if the ACA is not changed or repealed. Do you really think this economy can withstand that?

Just at Romney - he who is RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

 

[teapartysamurai]

With the invention of the automobile, it was the public investment in road infrastructure that made the automotive industry take off. Nobody would have bought cars if there were no roads to drive them on

Too stupid, dude. Roads have been around for centuries, the Romans built some very nice ones. In the US, we've been building roads since 1625; the first macadam roads were around 200 years ago, well before the invention of the auto.

We didn't have interstates.

INTERSTATES DIDN'T COME ALONG UNTIL THE EISENHOWER ADMIN YOU MORON!

The car was invented in 1903!

 

[BDBoop]

O hai. Fox News truncated the President's remarks and then went screaming apeshit based on their misquotation instead of what he actually said? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Here's the full context *probably AGAIN* of what he ACTUALLY said.



Gee. It sounds so much more logical (and actually like the President) when you say it THAT WAY.

You know. The way he ACTUALLY SAID IT.

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.
Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

Wait a minute.

You borrowed money?

What the fuck.

You borrowed money?

Don't fucking tell me you went to a bank and borrowed money.

Why didn't you have the cash on hand?

Or heck..why didn't you just get the materials on your own.

That's so freaking typical.

Borrowing money..gosh. On the tit of the government.

So disappointing.

Oh, the HUMANITY!!!