"You didn't get there on your own"

[teapartysamurai]

Wow...his meager taxes paid for every road bridge and tunnel that is used to support hos business.

Fact is......Everyone has contributed to provide infrastructure that Rozman needs to support his business. It is one of the benefits of belonging to a society

Fact is every person could benefit from infrastructure as much as a successful businessman.

So that one person does and others don't is no cause for that person to pay more than his share now is it?

And I've already shown you multiple times that businesses already pay more for "society" than the average American.

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

WHAT??????????????

Would you explain how a business enjoys more of a benefit from the sidewalks or the police?

I'd dare say that any small business owner would tell you, they are more like TO GET ROBBED than you or me, AND MOST OF THE TIME, THEY HAVE TO FIGHT OFF THE ROBBER THEMSELVES.

Just watch one show of "MOST DARING" and see how many owners of small convenience stores end up fighting off the robber themselves!

So, how do they enjoy the police more?

That's just stupid!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wow...his meager taxes paid for every road bridge and tunnel that is used to support hos business.

Fact is......Everyone has contributed to provide infrastructure that Rozman needs to support his business. It is one of the benefits of belonging to a society

Fact is every person could benefit from infrastructure as much as a successful businessman.

So that one person does and others don't is no cause for that person to pay more than his share now is it?

And I've already shown you multiple times that businesses already pay more for "society" than the average American.

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

They benefit no more than any other person could.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.

Dont you get it?

Thats EXACTLY what the government wants you to believe....and thus why they give out subsidies...which were nothing more than political favors returned.

Frankilin needed government to invent the stove?
To discvover the power of electricity?

Was it the government that assisted the Wright brothers?

Do you really believe the internet had no shot without the government?

No one would have done it oin their own?

Come on man....you need to see what you are saying.

Dude, look technology has moved way beyond the point where a couple of craftsmen can come up with a groundbreaking invention. A single chip can cost millions of dollars to develop and you need a billion dollar fab to manufacture it.

Companies like the quick payoff these days. When government labs were working on these technologies, there was no guarantee of success. Yet in some cases, pure research with no clear commercial application eventually led to the high tech wonders we have today.

Years ago, companies like Bell Labs and IBM were strongly focused on creating a technological path to follow. The beancounters have mostly put an end to that. If government funded research stops too, don't count on anything new coming down the pipe.

Are you telling me no products come to market today without GOVERNMENT RESEARCH????????



I used to work for Ohio State where they depended a LOT on government research.

Do you see OSU producing any new technologies? Not from government research.

Those new drugs used at the James Cancer Center that comes from PRIVATE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES

But you don't see new drugs coming from the government. You don't see new Ipods, or smart phones coming from government.

You don't see new medical treatments coming from the government.

IN SHORT, YOU HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

You are just a loser, who quit, blaming everybody else but himself, and deluding himelf into believing he knows what he's talking about.

The more you talk, the more your ignorance becomes apparent.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.

So how do you go about thanking Obama for all these gifts? Do you sing the mmmm mmmmm mmmm song?

You are a product of government. Congratulations.

Why are you so obsessed with Obama? He wasn't in charge for very much of that time. Is your business in trouble and you think it's all his fault?

Yeah, we have no right to conclude Obama is at fault!!!!!

Why it's all Bush's fault, right?

 

[rightwinger]

So then, how much does a whiner like you owe to the government for your success? You use the infrastructure to, although I can guarantee you pay a hell of a lot less for it.

I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.

Dont you get it?

Thats EXACTLY what the government wants you to believe....and thus why they give out subsidies...which were nothing more than political favors returned.

Frankilin needed government to invent the stove?
To discvover the power of electricity?

Was it the government that assisted the Wright brothers?

Do you really believe the internet had no shot without the government?

No one would have done it oin their own?

Come on man....you need to see what you are saying.

Frankilin needed government to invent the stove?
To discvover the power of electricity?

Franklin worked for the Government for a good part of his life

Was it the government that assisted the Wright brothers?

The Wright Brothers got their first contract with the Army Signal Corps


Do you really believe the internet had no shot without the government?

The Government invented the internet, Army ARPANET

In fact, the Government now finances a good portion of the R&D on energy, communications and medical research

 

[BDBoop]

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

O hai. Fox News truncated the President's remarks and then went screaming apeshit based on their misquotation instead of what he actually said? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Here's the full context *probably AGAIN* of what he ACTUALLY said.

We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …


There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

Gee. It sounds so much more logical (and actually like the President) when you say it THAT WAY.

You know. The way he ACTUALLY SAID IT.

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.

Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

 

[BDBoop]

The answer to his question was in several other posts. I'm just running out of different ways of saying the same thing and he'll probably never get it anyway.

No you didn't!

You just made excuses for why you lost your business, but one line made it clear, YOU JUST QUIT AND BLAMED EVERYBODY ELSE!

And BTW, I'm NOT a HE. You are getting your ass kicked by a woman.

How's that for your "war on women?"

I'll be darned. I kind of pictured you as a male, loser, high school dropout, wanna be internet tough guy posting from mom and dads basement. Most women are smarter.

And s/h/it thinks you're getting your ass kicked by s/h/it. Even funnier.

 

[rightwinger]

Fact is every person could benefit from infrastructure as much as a successful businessman.

So that one person does and others don't is no cause for that person to pay more than his share now is it?

And I've already shown you multiple times that businesses already pay more for "society" than the average American.

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

They benefit no more than any other person could.

In spite of what Mitt Romney says, companies are not people. A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

 

[Skull Pilot]

O hai. Fox News truncated the President's remarks and then went screaming apeshit based on their misquotation instead of what he actually said? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.

Here's the full context *probably AGAIN* of what he ACTUALLY said.



Gee. It sounds so much more logical (and actually like the President) when you say it THAT WAY.

You know. The way he ACTUALLY SAID IT.

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.

Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

FYI I did more than 90% of the code upgrades myself. I worked 18 hours a day for 3 months just to open the doors.

I did that without a paycheck did any of you help me pay my bills, buy materials etc?

No.

No one but my wife and I risked anything. "society" was not sleeping on the floor with us during construction now was it?

I don't see why you sheep are so fixated on roads. Businesses pay more for the use of roads than you do. The roads are there and there is nothing stopping any of you people from getting the same benefit that a business does from them.

To say a person's business success was due to a road is just plain dumb.

 

[ConzHateUSA]

I heard one of the paid Oligarch callers on Mark Thompson call in yesterday and the new talking point is "worked my butt off" these paid callers who say they own businesses, dont, of course.

They are feigning offense at Obama pointing out the obvious about the people they work for...

Most of the rightwing posters here that all of a sudden own their own business, dont...

for those few who do, shame on you for using our awesome infrastructure to make your profit and then claim you did it all on your own...shame shame shame

 

[Skull Pilot]

The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"

Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide

They benefit no more than any other person could.

In spite of what Mitt Romney says, companies are not people. A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

And businesses pay much much more for those services than so employees. Seems to me employees benefit more from business than from the fucking government.

And again any person could benefit to the same extent from roads as a business.

 

[peach174]

And without roads, Jose's tamales and the customers would have never met. Without a safe food supply, Jose probably would have tainted his customers. Without police protection, some thug would have stolen Jose's money...

ok, AND?
WE THE PEOPLE pay for those things..what the hell don't you idiots get and KEEP regurgitating this bullshit

Because you conservative dimbulbs only see the world in black and white. Either you make yourself a success or the government does.

I'll spell this out for you since you're probably too stupid to get it from this clue. It takes a motivated entrepreneur AND the infrastructure that government provides to create a success.

Without that motivated entrepreneur who invented the vehicle, there would be no infrastructure.

 

[BDBoop]

If I have a business I didn't build that?

What the fuck does that mean? Is Bam Bam saying that people give buildings away to be used as businesses?

If I paid for a building to be built then yes I built it because without my money it wouldn't have happened now would it?

Let me ask you sheep this?

Whose money funded my business? I didn't take any government guaranteed loans. I am personally responsible for every dollar I borrowed and every lease I took out for equipment.

Which of you did any of that for me?

Were any of you working with me when I had to do 50K in code upgrades so as to open? Did you help pay for the code upgrades?

Where would you have been if our business failed? Would you have given us room and board?

What risk did anyone else in "society" take when I opened my business?

None that's what and now you greedy fucks want more of the rewards I made happen.

Seems Bam Bam doesn't understand the difference between working together and paying people to do work.

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

FYI I did more than 90% of the code upgrades myself. I worked 18 hours a day for 3 months just to open the doors.

I did that without a paycheck did any of you help me pay my bills, buy materials etc?

No.

No one but my wife and I risked anything. "society" was not sleeping on the floor with us during construction now was it?

I don't see why you sheep are so fixated on roads. Businesses pay more for the use of roads than you do. The roads are there and there is nothing stopping any of you people from getting the same benefit that a business does from them.

To say a person's business success was due to a road is just plain dumb.

You bought materials. From where. And how did they get to the store they were purchased at.

The. Roads. Need. Upgrading.

I'm sorry this upsets you, but unfortunately, use = wear & tear = need for repairs. Why does that anger you so badly!?

 

[ConzHateUSA]

BD, you are witnessing the power of propaganda on someone who isnt very bright to begin with, welcome to the entire republiklan party circa 2012...

 

[Some Guy]

A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

If you look at total volume. But on a percentage basis, if an employee is required to be at the company location in order to hold and perform the job, isn't 100% of their own personal revenue based on that road being there? If it isn't, not only could the company not perform what they do but the employee couldn't either.

 

[rightwinger]

They benefit no more than any other person could.

In spite of what Mitt Romney says, companies are not people. A company benefits significantly more than Joe Taxpayer does. Roads, bridges, tunnels, snow removal enable your employees to get to work, your customers to reach your facility, supplies to come in and finished product to get out. A company profits much more than an individual from public services

And businesses pay much much more for those services than so employees. Seems to me employees benefit more from business than from the fucking government.

And again any person could benefit to the same extent from roads as a business.

Its a two way street

Businesses make money off of every employee. A job is not charity. An employer receives labor which he makes a profit off of

 

[mudwhistle]

Carter had the Iran Hostage crisis at the end of his term. Any hope of being elected went out the window as news networks gave a daily countdown of the days it had been going on.
Romney is also no Reagan. He lacks the charisma and ability to generate enthusiasm within his voting base
Barring a major game changing event in the next three months, it is unlikely Romney can swing enough votes

Obama already has his "Iranian crisis" X 2.

Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian nuke program.

Both have been allowed to fester and grow into real threats, yet he's worried about when Romney left Bain Capital.

If that is the best you have....Good luck

The best I have?

Seems to me you've become complacent.

What would it take.....mushroom clouds over Israel?

Another jet crashing into another skyscraper?

Libs threatening to drive our government of the preferbial cliff just cuz they want tax increases.

Fucken asshole.

 

[Wiseacre]

The implied point that Obama is trying to make is that successful people owe the gov't more money. To spin it any other way is dishonest, he wants to raise taxes on the top 1% and he is trying to use this nonsense as a reason to justify it.

It is nonsense because while every successful person did get help along the way from somebody, they do not owe the gov't more taxes for whatever assistance the gov't may have provided, directly or otherwise. It is the gov'ts job to provide roads and bridges, airposts and schools, national security and a state dept, for everyone's benefit. Almost every person, successful or otherwise, already pays for that one way or another; to suggest that they owe more is incoherent because all of us got the same benefit from gov't projects and programs. A successful person made more out of it than did others, for a variety of reasons. But it is illogical nonsense to say that for that reason the successful person owes more.

And BTW, they are already paying more than their fair share. Who do you think gives the most to charities and public works? Tell you what, when gov't stops wasting so much money, when they stop picking winners and losers, when they stop rewarding their benefactors, when they become a lot more efficient and effective with our money THEN we can talk about raising taxes. Oh, and BTW, that'll be after those buttfucks close all the loopholes, tax breaks, subsidies, and rewrite the tax code.

 

[Full-Auto]

How did the people get there to do the code upgrades? Pretty sure they drove on roads. Where did they get the education to qualify for the knowledge to do the upgrades? You couldn't just do it yourself, you had to hire someone. Where did the materials come from? Did they come on roads? etc.

No. You are NOT an island.

FYI I did more than 90% of the code upgrades myself. I worked 18 hours a day for 3 months just to open the doors.

I did that without a paycheck did any of you help me pay my bills, buy materials etc?

No.

No one but my wife and I risked anything. "society" was not sleeping on the floor with us during construction now was it?

I don't see why you sheep are so fixated on roads. Businesses pay more for the use of roads than you do. The roads are there and there is nothing stopping any of you people from getting the same benefit that a business does from them.

To say a person's business success was due to a road is just plain dumb.

You bought materials. From where. And how did they get to the store they were purchased at.

The. Roads. Need. Upgrading.

I'm sorry this upsets you, but unfortunately, use = wear & tear = need for repairs. Why does that anger you so badly!?

Thats why we pay federal and state taxes on fuel.

Why does your side insist on pissing it away?

 

[rightwinger]

ok, AND?
WE THE PEOPLE pay for those things..what the hell don't you idiots get and KEEP regurgitating this bullshit

Because you conservative dimbulbs only see the world in black and white. Either you make yourself a success or the government does.

I'll spell this out for you since you're probably too stupid to get it from this clue. It takes a motivated entrepreneur AND the infrastructure that government provides to create a success.

Without that motivated entrepreneur who invented the vehicle, there would be no infrastructure.

With the invention of the automobile, it was the public investment in road infrastructure that made the automotive industry take off. Nobody would have bought cars if there were no roads to drive them on