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The business owner is still the principle party who takes the risks, funds the start up, and always works the most hours and deals with the stress of failing or succeeding.
You however would never know that listening to today's Democrat party.
The wage earner takes a greater risk.
So then, how much does a whiner like you owe to the government for your success? You use the infrastructure to, although I can guarantee you pay a hell of a lot less for it.
I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.
Dont you get it?
Thats EXACTLY what the government wants you to believe....and thus why they give out subsidies...which were nothing more than political favors returned.
Frankilin needed government to invent the stove?
To discvover the power of electricity?
Was it the government that assisted the Wright brothers?
Do you really believe the internet had no shot without the government?
No one would have done it oin their own?
Come on man....you need to see what you are saying.
It's funny to watch conservative draft dodgers like Limbaugh heap praise on the military, and then flip out when someone suggests that, because of people that keep this nation safe, businessmen are free to make a profit.
No sector of private business is more dependent on the government than the defense sector.
So then, how much does a whiner like you owe to the government for your success? You use the infrastructure to, although I can guarantee you pay a hell of a lot less for it.
I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.
So how do you go about thanking Obama for all these gifts? Do you sing the mmmm mmmmm mmmm song?
You are a product of government. Congratulations.
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Obama is taking an interesting and dangerous approach on the campaign trail, telling successful business owners that they "didn't get there on their own", that their success is predicated in part on the labor and efforts (and taxes) of others. This gives the GOP an opening to say, "see, he hates business owners, we told you so."
On the other hand, it opens up a national conversation that I've never seen before, building on Elizabeth Warren's comments as she runs for office.
This tactic is flying right into the teeth of the GOP's strength, that business and employers are the key to economic success. He's betting that the GOP, so controlled by absolutists right now, is going to look anti-ALL workers, not just union.
Pretty brave, and I think it's a good conversation to have.
Obama Mocks Rich: 'You Didn't Get There On Your Own'
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The vast majority of the wealthy in this country stole what they have, by virtue of fixing the rules to benefit them while making it doubly hard for everyone else.
Sure there is a lot of new wealth due to mature sciency types i.e. silicon valley, but overall the real wealth of this country was obtained by owning the politicians, fixing the rules, etc.
If they had to compete for real? If they had to start at zero and NOT have everything in their corner?
stupid idiot bagger racists...wouldnt stand a chance
we need to bump this thread every day until the election.
Who's in?
I'm just wondering how you give thanks to the uncounted millions that have made you the man you are today. How does one properly worship government without reserving some piety for the head?I received a public education as I assume most people on here have. I have two college degrees and even though I received no scholarship, colleges are subsidized by the government. I deal with high tech stuff that was largely developed at universities and national laboratories that are funded by the government. So I can admit that I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without government assistance. But unless you run a low tech sweatshop, neither can you.
So how do you go about thanking Obama for all these gifts? Do you sing the mmmm mmmmm mmmm song?
You are a product of government. Congratulations.
Why are you so obsessed with Obama? He wasn't in charge for very much of that time. Is your business in trouble and you think it's all his fault?
Because you conservative dimbulbs only see the world in black and white. Either you make yourself a success or the government does.
I'll spell this out for you since you're probably too stupid to get it from this clue. It takes a motivated entrepreneur AND the infrastructure that government provides to create a success.
PROVIDED????????????
Like the entrepeneur didn't pay for those government services?
I don't pay for those services?
You don't pay for those services?
The government just "provides" those services out of the "goodness" of their bureacratic little hearts?
By your own non-logic I now demand you hand your pay checks over because you couldn't have made that check without all of us.
It's makes about as much sense.
Ah so..now you are saying we live in a collective society.
Interesting.
Well put so I missed this but heard and saw late last night and this morning. Now we have a president who denies the successful people's success? And says someone else did it for them? That's par for the course I guess for a guy that still blames Bush. SheeshThe fact that he implied that the beleif of those that are successful is that "being smart" was the sole ingredient for their success, speaks volumes about how little he knows about personal financial success.
One must be innovative, willing to learn, willing to take risks.....strong work ethic (disciplined)...
Heck....being "smart" is by no means the key ingredient to being financially suicessful.
Our CiC is clueless.
He didn't deny anyone's success.
Carter had the Iran Hostage crisis at the end of his term. Any hope of being elected went out the window as news networks gave a daily countdown of the days it had been going on.
Romney is also no Reagan. He lacks the charisma and ability to generate enthusiasm within his voting base
Barring a major game changing event in the next three months, it is unlikely Romney can swing enough votes
Obama already has his "Iranian crisis" X 2.
Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian nuke program.
Both have been allowed to fester and grow into real threats, yet he's worried about when Romney left Bain Capital.
I am sure that if you were president you would have marched into Iran and stopped them?
The Muslim brotherhood was elected by the people of Egypt, hate democracy do ya?
You have all the answers all the time, but you have no power. Ahhhh, you missed your chance to be world leader and do it ;"My waaayyyyy"!
Well put so I missed this but heard and saw late last night and this morning. Now we have a president who denies the successful people's success? And says someone else did it for them? That's par for the course I guess for a guy that still blames Bush. Sheesh
He didn't deny anyone's success.
republicans are so independent that they do not need a mother to carry them during fetal stage. They do it all their own.
Obama already has his "Iranian crisis" X 2.
Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian nuke program.
Both have been allowed to fester and grow into real threats, yet he's worried about when Romney left Bain Capital.
I am sure that if you were president you would have marched into Iran and stopped them?
The Muslim brotherhood was elected by the people of Egypt, hate democracy do ya?
You have all the answers all the time, but you have no power. Ahhhh, you missed your chance to be world leader and do it ;"My waaayyyyy"!
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was "elected" like the Mullahs in Iran.
Because an incompetent president pulled support from a more reasonable leader and allowed absolute zealots to take over.
You libs can scream about the evils of the Shah, but does anyone believe the people are better off under the Mullahs?
Wow...his meager taxes paid for every road bridge and tunnel that is used to support hos business.
Fact is......Everyone has contributed to provide infrastructure that Rozman needs to support his business. It is one of the benefits of belonging to a society
Fact is every person could benefit from infrastructure as much as a successful businessman.
So that one person does and others don't is no cause for that person to pay more than his share now is it?
And I've already shown you multiple times that businesses already pay more for "society" than the average American.
The topic of the thread is "You did not get there on your own"
Nobody has questioned that businesses pay taxes as they should. Nobody questions that businesses pay more taxes than the average Joe Taxpayer. They also benefit more from what those taxes provide
Weve already made a trillion dollars worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that dont work, and make government work more efficiently We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didnt -look, if youve been successful, you didnt get there on your own. You didnt get there on your own. Im always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youve got a business. you didnt build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didnt get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we dont do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. Thats how we funded the GI Bill. Thats how we created the middle class. Thats how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. Thats how we invented the Internet. Thats how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and thats the reason Im running for president because I still believe in that idea. Youre not on your own, were in this together.
It's implied in the message.
I don't see how. I think Obama's "message" was summed up pretty well with this: "The point is, when we succeed we do it because of our individual initiative, but also because we do it together."
There are two thoughts in that sentence. That'll blow most conservative minds. A thing can only be one thing or another. And the one thing or another come from a very small subset of the spectrum of possibilities out there.
He didn't deny anyone's success.
republicans are so independent that they do not need a mother to carry them during fetal stage. They do it all their own.
And Liberals are so dependent that they never advance BEYOND the fetal stage...
Obama already has his "Iranian crisis" X 2.
Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian nuke program.
Both have been allowed to fester and grow into real threats, yet he's worried about when Romney left Bain Capital.
I am sure that if you were president you would have marched into Iran and stopped them?
The Muslim brotherhood was elected by the people of Egypt, hate democracy do ya?
You have all the answers all the time, but you have no power. Ahhhh, you missed your chance to be world leader and do it ;"My waaayyyyy"!
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was "elected" like the Mullahs in Iran.
Because an incompetent president pulled support from a more reasonable leader and allowed absolute zealots to take over.
You libs can scream about the evils of the Shah, but does anyone believe the people are better off under the Mullahs?
