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Translation: We'll fight the pipeline until we reach a settlement. We would like our settlement in American dollars, please.
Mark
AND I never said the WHITE man was perfect either... but being part indian as I am, I am a realist!Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Never said they were perfect angels. They were just here first. They held to the treaties. The capitalists didn't and still don't.
Here's a Canadian in Southern Ontario, using an imperfect solar cooker based on the same theory roughly as the power plants. It's January, and 19 degrees F. The angle of the sun is extremely low.
AND I never said the WHITE man was perfect either... but being part indian as I am, I am a realist!Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Never said they were perfect angels. They were just here first. They held to the treaties. The capitalists didn't and still don't.
If the "evil white man" had never come to America I and my ancestors would NOT have an average life span of 60 years as it is today!
Average life span of the Lakota in the 1800s was about 30 years old!
Yes there were the exceptional bad deeds of the "evil white man".. BUT you tell me .. would you like to go back to a time when you communicated with smoke signals versus the "evil white man's " internet??
My major problem with people like your ilk is you take the EXCEPTIONS and make it sound like the RULE. I.e. you make situations that were NOT common but exceptional and blow out of proportion. I could tell you about my great-great-great-great grandfather who was captured by the Indians in Ohio after they scalped his mother and held him captive for 20 years and make that sound like the RULE rather then an exception BECAUSE my great-great-great-great grandfather after being recused by his brother 20 years later died with indian accoutrements i.e. earring, long hair, etc.. that is he adopted the indian manners after growing up an indian. Do we has his family members resent that? Hell no! But do we make that an indictment against ALL indians... Hell no!
So divorce this concept of the "EVIL White man" from the discussion because without the "evil white man" many Lakotas wouldn't be working today in the Dakota oil fields!
Oh and as far as the Ogallala damages...
have an EXPERT Hydrologist with 40 years studying Ogallala opinion one I far more respect then any laymen's opinion!
"Hydrology is the study of the movement, distribution, and quality of water on Earth and other planets, including the hydrologic cycle, water resources and environmental watershed sustainability."
James Goeke an expert i.e. HYDROLOGIST who LIVES in the Ogallala Aquifer area.
Mr. Goeke said...“A lot of people in the debate about the pipeline talk about how leakage would foul the water and ruin the entire water supply in the state of Nebraska and that’s just a false,” he said.
His explanation is simple. Seventy-five to 80 percent of the aquifer lies west of the proposed pipeline route.
This was 1970 and James Goeke had just joined the team at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln’s Conservation and Survey Division where he still works as a hydrologist. He never would have guessed it, but someday he would own a chunk of western Nebraska and cherish it as much as any person could. Scattered around the state are close to 6,000 holes each about 5 inches in diameter drilled to the base of the Ogallala Aquifer. During the 1970s, Goeke drilled about 1,000 of those holes in the deepest part of the aquifer.
He said TransCanada could answer every question and was honest and forthcoming. That didn’t immediately quiet all his reluctance, so he continued his research until he came to a conclusion: The Keystone XL pipeline is not a serious threat to the Ogallala Aquifer.
Translation: We'll fight the pipeline until we reach a settlement. We would like our settlement in American dollars, please.
Mark
We'll see.. Maybe like the capitalists, they'll take the money and un-make the pipeline anyway just after the ink dries. They're learning from their oppressors. What?! Breaking an agreement? ...
Here's how to make a ton of money using a fraction of the costs of a pipeline in just lobbying money... This ain't your grandma's solar energy. Nor is it the same as Solyndra's inefficient (designed that way on purpose to fail and make solar thermal look bad..courtesy of you know who...) circular 1,000 miles away from the boiler joke design.. This is LINEAR near-source solar thermal. You can improve efficiency if each mirror was concave/parabolic. I think they just don't want to fry the boiler tube.
Increases in boiler tube resistance to harm from the heat source like a cutting torch, might really increase the efficiency of this system to unbelievable amounts of power in a smaller area..
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
If you have something against "capitalist" then you should living in a cave, burning elephant dung to heat it
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
I am from Western PA. Coal, steel, and glass production runs deep in family's blood and most of their livelihoods are connected to these industries. I am very sympathetic to their plight.
Sadly, coal's decline has been felt the hardest in Kentucky. There are a combination of factors contributing to Eastern KY's plight and yes some of them are based on EPA regulations. Here I story I recall and it sheds some light on the complexities of the issue.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304337404579212262280342336
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
Yeeeeeeaaaah, the reality of solar is not what you would have us believe. Wherever solar is scaled up it fails. I love solar for off grid homes and in that arena it works pretty well. But scaled up as a power source for a fossil fuel powered grid it simply falls apart.
"Whether scorched birds are a major issue at the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System in California is a matter of dispute. But the “power tower” solar plant and its owners -- NRG Energy, Google and BrightSource Energy -- might have an even more fundamental problem on their hands: generating adequate electricity.
The Mojave Desert plant, built with the aid of a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, kicked off commercial operation at the tail end of December 2013, and for the eight-month period from January through August, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data. That’s roughly one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated."
More Problems for CSP Ivanpah Solar Plant Falling Short of Expected Electricity Production Greentech Media
I recently traveled south, through Wyoming, Colorado through Arizona and over to San Diego. Those damned wind turbines are everywhere. They are a blight on what was once a beautiful landscape. Absolutely horrible to look at.
Well a coal firing power plant isn't exactly picturesque either. We should be using every arrow in the quiver when it comes to our energy independence. That includes building more nuclear power plants, cleaner coal plants, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal structures, and yes, pipelines as well.
My Grandparents lived in the hills of Kentucky - I KNOW what coal plants look like. I also KNOW that tens of thousands of folks RELY on those coal plants and those mines for their very lives. Yet, this clown in Washington wants them - and their livelihoods taken from them.
Here's my take on this bullshit. When we can enforce the same laws in China, India and Russia that we are trying to extort from Americans - THEN and only THEN can we talk about it. Until then? DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
I am from Western PA. Coal, steel, and glass production runs deep in family's blood and most of their livelihoods are connected to these industries. I am very sympathetic to their plight.
Sadly, coal's decline has been felt the hardest in Kentucky. There are a combination of factors contributing to Eastern KY's plight and yes some of them are based on EPA regulations. Here I story I recall and it sheds some light on the complexities of the issue.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304337404579212262280342336
This is the primary reason that Grimes was defeated so easily in Kentucky by McConnell. The people of Kentucky knew full well that she supported Obama's regulations against the coal industry (even though she outright lied). Five minutes after the polls closed - she had already experienced an ass whipping.
Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Buffalo of South Dakota Unit 3 Lesson 2
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Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Buffalo of South Dakota Unit 3 Lesson 2
View attachment 34174
What do you think they did with the buffalos after they killed them? Do you think they stuffed their heads and hung them on the inside of their teepees, like trophies?
Sit down and STFU.
Answer this question while you're doing it: What happened to the buffalo herds AFTER the white man arrived?
Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Buffalo of South Dakota Unit 3 Lesson 2
View attachment 34174
What do you think they did with the buffalos after they killed them? Do you think they stuffed their heads and hung them on the inside of their teepees, like trophies?
Sit down and STFU.
Answer this question while you're doing it: What happened to the buffalo herds AFTER the white man arrived?
Would the spill runoffs run into their lands from adjacent lands if there was an accident?I wonder how often this story will be repeated here until it's learned that the pipeline doesn't got through their lands?
Thanks Indians. Let them pollute the oceans with fragile oil tankers instead of building safer pipelines. Meanwhile keep building all those energy eating gambling casinos to pick the pockets of the evil white man.
Marvelous hunters they were "before horses" introduced by the BAD EVIL WHITE MAN!!!
Sometimes the tribe forced a herd to buffalo jump." Most animals died in the fall.
Buffalo of South Dakota Unit 3 Lesson 2
View attachment 34174
What do you think they did with the buffalos after they killed them? Do you think they stuffed their heads and hung them on the inside of their teepees, like trophies?
Sit down and STFU.
Answer this question while you're doing it: What happened to the buffalo herds AFTER the white man arrived?
Further the buffalo owe their very existence to a buffalo hunter!
the Buffalo were hunted to near extinction ... hell of a way to be saved. If it wasn't for a human there would be NO Buffalo today !! somehow that isn't very impressive.
What most ignorant progressives don't understand (no surprise there) is that the buffalo slaughter was a tactic used in the Indian Wars to drive the Indians into the reservations. A completely despicable act but which had nothing to do with "capitalism". Further the buffalo owe their very existence to a buffalo hunter! I can't remember his name at the moment but all the buffalo left in the world are descended from the small group he saved.
And one other thing, the Indians favorite method of killing buffalo was to drive a stampede over a cliff so that they were easy pickings on the bottom.
It does go through their lands. You are just looking at a crappy map that only includes the main body of the reservation and doesn't show the segmented portions in the northeast sector. These are referenced as "Trust Lands" and are various sized parcels surrounded by other public lands and private property, but included in the designated 1910 border determination and treaty.I wonder how often this story will be repeated here until it's learned that the pipeline doesn't got through their lands?
