1 in 6 Draw Welfare in Predominantly Red States

[JonKoch]

Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala
A theory of a divided nation


...In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.
Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala

You're a retard. You post one inane thing after the other and it's all based on the goodness of big government. Less government automatically is bad, the bigger the better.

You can enjoy big government and the dependency it creates but you don't get to decide values for others. All you are doing it beating your meat and strutting around like you actually did something.

As opposed to CONservative policies which ONLY benefit the richest Cupcake?

Closer to the truth "This is a list of things I don't want to pay for."

Sure it is Cupcake, sure

 

[JonKoch]

What we only made cars with our industry Cupcake? IF that's all it was why is Germany 40% the size of US and yet they export as much as US Cupcake? OH RIGHT, THEY HAVE GOOD GOV'T POLICIES!


Reagan GUTTED taxes on the richest AND his and the CONServatives policies REWARDED those (Chinese/Mexico) "job creators" to off shore US jobs

What bullshit. Companies didn't leave because of any permission by the government. The only tax breaks companies get when they leave is writing off their moving expenses. That's it. The rest is a liberal lie. Need the FactCheck article? I have it in my folder, just ask.

Unions and government are responsible for the jobs leaving this country. The American consumer buys whatever items are the cheapest. That's how Walmart became our number one store. That's why brick and mortar stores are closing up all the time, because people get cheaper products through the internet.

In order for a company to sell products to the American consumer, they have to produce those products as cheap as possible. It had nothing to do with Reagan.

Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

 

[Rustic]

What bullshit. Companies didn't leave because of any permission by the government. The only tax breaks companies get when they leave is writing off their moving expenses. That's it. The rest is a liberal lie. Need the FactCheck article? I have it in my folder, just ask.

Unions and government are responsible for the jobs leaving this country. The American consumer buys whatever items are the cheapest. That's how Walmart became our number one store. That's why brick and mortar stores are closing up all the time, because people get cheaper products through the internet.

In order for a company to sell products to the American consumer, they have to produce those products as cheap as possible. It had nothing to do with Reagan.

Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

 

[JonKoch]

Probably has something to do with...

1. the White guy paying into the retirement fund for 40-50 years before retiring.

2. the Black guy sitting on his dead ass, sucking on the State Teat, and doing it for so long he comes to think of it as a Right

Mebbe?

No, not really.

Here's the thing. If you retire at 65 and live to be at least 72, you will have gotten back everything you paid into Social Security. Since the average life span is 78 years now, we have a lot of people living off the government teet, as you say, for years.

Meanwhile, most people on welfare are only on it for a few years, and they are usually women and children (mostly white), not "the black guy".

Also, that person on welfare is still paying sales taxes and other taxes that support the current system, and a lot of them have jobs that pay minimal wages.

So trying to pretend that one is bad and the other is okay is kind of silly. We should do both a lot smarter.

Sales and other taxes don't go into supporting welfare, and neither do minimum wage jobs. Income taxes fund social programs and nearly half of our country do not pay income taxes--especially the poor.

Yes, if a person lives to the average lifespan, they will get more out than they put in. But what about those who die long before that time? They put a whole lot in and got nothing out of it. It's kind of like car or house insurance. The people who make major claims get more out of it than they put in, and the people who paid for the insurance all their life that never made a claim get nothing.

Haven't we funded Gov't the past 35+ years by raiding "trust funds"? You know like the $2.7+ trillion EXCESS PAYMENTS Ronnie created when he "saved" SS? Now the GOP says we are broke and SS is BK?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why not blame the guy who was responsible? Obama vowed to replace oil energy with expensive so-called renewable energy that never worked and American factories couldn't compete. Both Obama and Hillary vowed to shut down the coal industry which was the only source of income in some Red States. During the Obama eight (long, long ) years the GDP barely nudged over 1% while Obama invested millions of taxpayer dollars in dying solar companies like Solyndra that were obviously on the verge of bankruptcy to pay off campaign supporters. God only knows why the Obama administration shipped boxcars loaded with a billion dollars of American taxpayer cash to Iran. Red States could have used the money but Hussein and Hillary only cared about Wall Street bankers. Why is it a surprise to lefties that Red States want a better life after the stagnation of the Hussein years? It's going to be a long haul but Trump took a step in the right direction by getting the U.S. out of that extortion scam called "Paris climate treaty" and plans to re-negotiate NAFTA which was a ludicrous mess designed to bring the U.S. down on a level playing ground with 3rd world countries. Meanwhile lefties on the forum seem to rely on cartoons to speak for them rather than words just like they did during the good old days in the 3rd grade.

Weird almost like Dubya/GOP 8 years never existed in right wing world Cupcake?

I mean Solndra WAS under the program started by a GOP Prez and GOP Congress right?

Obama DID try to get a few GOP votes for the stimulus which keep US out of GOP great depression 2.0, by including 40% tax breaks in his stimulus right?

Solyndra MORE CONservative nonsense!

Bush Admin. Advanced16 Projects, Including Solyndra, Out Of 143 Submissions
http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=8897

DOE Under Bush Admin. Set Out Timeline For Completing Solyndra Review
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/Solar Background Document 1.pdf

In March, The Same Credit Committee Of Career Civil Servants recommended Approval
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/


Solyndra=1% of DOE energy money


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-solopower-cut-costs-to-avoid-bankruptcy.html


After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit
After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit

"Congress - Democrats and Republicans - put together a loan guarantee program because they understood historically that when you get new industries, it's easy to raise money for start-ups, but if you want to take them to scale, oftentimes there's a lot of risk involved, and what the loan guarantee program was designed to do was to help start up companies get to scale," he said.

Obama rightly notes that Congress created with bipartisan support an Energy Department loan guarantee program for clean energy start-ups in 2005, during the George W. Bush administration.

However, he incorrectly suggests Solyndra received its financing from that 2005 appropriation of funds. Instead, the company's $500 million in fast-tracked loan guarantees came from a new section of the program created by the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the stimulus. The Recovery Act did not receive any GOP votes.

Obama: Solyndra 'Not Our Program Per Se'

 

[JonKoch]

Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

 

[JoeB131]

Sales and other taxes don't go into supporting welfare, and neither do minimum wage jobs. Income taxes fund social programs and nearly half of our country do not pay income taxes--especially the poor.

again the poor shoulder a heavier burden of other taxes, and it's all one big pot at the end of the day.

Yes, if a person lives to the average lifespan, they will get more out than they put in. But what about those who die long before that time? They put a whole lot in and got nothing out of it. It's kind of like car or house insurance. The people who make major claims get more out of it than they put in, and the people who paid for the insurance all their life that never made a claim get nothing.

I think you are a little confused here. (Man, that actually describes most of your posts). Insurance works because most people don't have car accidents or house fires. But most of us live past 65, because 78 is the average.

Really? Nobody had a boot on anybody's neck as long as I've been alive. In fact, those people have not only been offered every chance possible, we created reverse discrimination (affirmative action) so that they are the one with the boot.

Again, guy, you are the one who defends shooting black children playing with toys (they finally got around to firing Officer McShooty, BTW). So you probably wouldn't see that boot if it was attached to your foot.

Explain something to me: Why is it that people come here from other countries, nothing more than a few dollars in their pockets, work their asses off, invest their money into their own business, and become self-reliant and some even very successful?

Well, actually, most immigrants are dirt poor still... so there's that. But the ones who make it are usually affluent when they get here. They also aren't running into a 400 year effort to keep them down.

I bet you have dreams about me not having insurance.......be honest with me. I've never seen anybody so obsessed with it before--not even my family.

Well, it illustrates what you are. You see, if my company pulled my insurance, I'd be throwing out resumes like a madman and I'd probably get a new job in a few weeks. Easily. In fact, I sent out six resumes last week just to test the waters, and I got three responses.

But you're still blaming the black guy.

The wealthy didn't move into my neighborhood and turn it into a near ghetto.

NO, they are just the ones who moved all the good industrial jobs out of Cleveland because someone objected to the rivers being flammable, and you blame poor people.

Need I go on?

YOu mean with more racist rants about nail salons and Baptist churches? No, man, I think you've really read a lot into the ink blot.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What bullshit. Companies didn't leave because of any permission by the government. The only tax breaks companies get when they leave is writing off their moving expenses. That's it. The rest is a liberal lie. Need the FactCheck article? I have it in my folder, just ask.

Unions and government are responsible for the jobs leaving this country. The American consumer buys whatever items are the cheapest. That's how Walmart became our number one store. That's why brick and mortar stores are closing up all the time, because people get cheaper products through the internet.

In order for a company to sell products to the American consumer, they have to produce those products as cheap as possible. It had nothing to do with Reagan.

Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

The stupid calling others stupid. Again Dumbfuck, the only tax write-off is for moving expenses--nothing else. THERE ARE NO OTHER TAX DEDUCTIONS for moving jobs overseas. It's your typical Democrat dog and pony show. They knew Republicans would vote against it so they could create the lies that you believe.

 

[Rustic]

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Each individual company has to determine when taxes are too high… It's not up to the federal government. The federal government knows nothing of business… Try and keep up fester

 

[Kondor3]

2. the Black guy sitting on his dead ass, sucking on the State Teat, and doing it for so long he comes to think of it as a Right

What about the white guy sitting on his dead ass, sucking on the State Teat, and doing it for so long he comes to think of it as a Right?

Does he get a pass?

Nope.

He shouldn't get a pass, either.

But it's just that there are so many MORE of ya'll doing it, as a percentage of your total population, than others.

And folks outside your demographic are bone-tired of decade after decade of Chronic Under-Performing and whiny excuse-making and victim mentality.

Folks have had just about enough of that.

Hope that helps to clear things up a bit.

 

[JonKoch]

Why not blame the guy who was responsible? Obama vowed to replace oil energy with expensive so-called renewable energy that never worked and American factories couldn't compete. Both Obama and Hillary vowed to shut down the coal industry which was the only source of income in some Red States. During the Obama eight (long, long ) years the GDP barely nudged over 1% while Obama invested millions of taxpayer dollars in dying solar companies like Solyndra that were obviously on the verge of bankruptcy to pay off campaign supporters. God only knows why the Obama administration shipped boxcars loaded with a billion dollars of American taxpayer cash to Iran. Red States could have used the money but Hussein and Hillary only cared about Wall Street bankers. Why is it a surprise to lefties that Red States want a better life after the stagnation of the Hussein years? It's going to be a long haul but Trump took a step in the right direction by getting the U.S. out of that extortion scam called "Paris climate treaty" and plans to re-negotiate NAFTA which was a ludicrous mess designed to bring the U.S. down on a level playing ground with 3rd world countries. Meanwhile lefties on the forum seem to rely on cartoons to speak for them rather than words just like they did during the good old days in the 3rd grade.

Weird almost like Dubya/GOP 8 years never existed in right wing world Cupcake?

I mean Solndra WAS under the program started by a GOP Prez and GOP Congress right?

Obama DID try to get a few GOP votes for the stimulus which keep US out of GOP great depression 2.0, by including 40% tax breaks in his stimulus right?

Solyndra MORE CONservative nonsense!

Bush Admin. Advanced16 Projects, Including Solyndra, Out Of 143 Submissions
http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=8897

DOE Under Bush Admin. Set Out Timeline For Completing Solyndra Review
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/Solar Background Document 1.pdf

In March, The Same Credit Committee Of Career Civil Servants recommended Approval
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/


Solyndra=1% of DOE energy money


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009


Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-solopower-cut-costs-to-avoid-bankruptcy.html


After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit
After Solyndra Loss, U.S. Energy Loan Program Turning A Profit

"Congress - Democrats and Republicans - put together a loan guarantee program because they understood historically that when you get new industries, it's easy to raise money for start-ups, but if you want to take them to scale, oftentimes there's a lot of risk involved, and what the loan guarantee program was designed to do was to help start up companies get to scale," he said.

Obama rightly notes that Congress created with bipartisan support an Energy Department loan guarantee program for clean energy start-ups in 2005, during the George W. Bush administration.

However, he incorrectly suggests Solyndra received its financing from that 2005 appropriation of funds. Instead, the company's $500 million in fast-tracked loan guarantees came from a new section of the program created by the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as the stimulus. The Recovery Act did not receive any GOP votes.

Obama: Solyndra 'Not Our Program Per Se'

Wait NOW you want to change gears and just upset because Obama didn't take credit for Solyndra? EVEN THOUGH OVERALL THE PROGRAM TURNED A PROFIT?

And Wall Street even liked Solyndra?


Reuters: Venture Capitalists Point To Solyndra As One Of The Top 10 Companies "Ripest" To Go Public. Reuters reported in August 2009:
Investors eye top startups as IPO market awakens - Aug. 19, 2009



WHEN DID THE STIMULUS PASS AGAIN CUPCAKE?



Market Conditions Shifted Significantly from 2009 to 2011


"advantages that were more important in 2009 when it received a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee to build a factory" than they are now, noting that the price of the silicon-based panels with which Solyndra was competing "has fallen 46 percent since then."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-solopower-cut-costs-to-avoid-bankruptcy.html

Bush Admin. Advanced16 Projects, Including Solyndra, Out Of 143 Submissions
http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=8897

DOE Under Bush Admin. Set Out Timeline For Completing Solyndra Review
http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/Solar Background Document 1.pdf

In March, The Same Credit Committee Of Career Civil Servants recommended Approval
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/

DOE Official: "It's The Same Group Of Career Professionals That Were On The First Committee."
http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=8897

 

[2aguy]

I warned you:

FULL ANSWER

Do companies get a tax break for shipping U.S. jobs overseas? Several readers asked us that question after it came up during the first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney.

Obama claimed that “companies that are shipping jobs overseas” get tax breaks, saying that they “can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.” But Mitt Romney said that he had “no idea” what the president was talking about, adding that “the idea that you get a break for shipping jobs overseas is simply not the case.” And both men are right, in a way.

There is no specific tax break for the sole purpose of relocating a U.S. job to another country, as Romney said. But the tax code does allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. And those expenses can include the costs of moving a job to another state or even to another country, according to tax experts with whom we spoke. The White House confirmed in an email that that is what Obama was referring to in the debate.

“Firms can generally deduct business expenses,” said Kimberly Clausing, the Thormund A. Miller and Walter Mintz Professor of Economics at Reed College. “Thus, of course, if firms incurred expenses in moving abroad, they would be able to deduct those expenses.”

“My interpretation is that the President’s statement was accurate,” she said in an email to FactCheck.org

William McBride, chief economist for the pro-business Tax Foundation, agreed with her point about the ability of companies to deduct moving costs as a business expense.

“There are no special tax provisions that provide incentives to move overseas, but, of course, in general, the IRS allows companies to deduct business expenses, one of which is moving expenses, whether within the U.S. or abroad,” he said.

Talking Tax Breaks for Offshoring - FactCheck.org

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Warren buffet wants taxes high because he hides his money in his foundations....and has companies that manage wealth for other people...and higher taxes require more planning.........

if buffet loves taxes...he could simply write a check.......from what I remember, he doesn't even pay the taxes he owes.......

 

[Rustic]

Sales and other taxes don't go into supporting welfare, and neither do minimum wage jobs. Income taxes fund social programs and nearly half of our country do not pay income taxes--especially the poor.

again the poor shoulder a heavier burden of other taxes, and it's all one big pot at the end of the day.

Yes, if a person lives to the average lifespan, they will get more out than they put in. But what about those who die long before that time? They put a whole lot in and got nothing out of it. It's kind of like car or house insurance. The people who make major claims get more out of it than they put in, and the people who paid for the insurance all their life that never made a claim get nothing.

I think you are a little confused here. (Man, that actually describes most of your posts). Insurance works because most people don't have car accidents or house fires. But most of us live past 65, because 78 is the average.

Really? Nobody had a boot on anybody's neck as long as I've been alive. In fact, those people have not only been offered every chance possible, we created reverse discrimination (affirmative action) so that they are the one with the boot.

Again, guy, you are the one who defends shooting black children playing with toys (they finally got around to firing Officer McShooty, BTW). So you probably wouldn't see that boot if it was attached to your foot.

Explain something to me: Why is it that people come here from other countries, nothing more than a few dollars in their pockets, work their asses off, invest their money into their own business, and become self-reliant and some even very successful?

Well, actually, most immigrants are dirt poor still... so there's that. But the ones who make it are usually affluent when they get here. They also aren't running into a 400 year effort to keep them down.

I bet you have dreams about me not having insurance.......be honest with me. I've never seen anybody so obsessed with it before--not even my family.

Well, it illustrates what you are. You see, if my company pulled my insurance, I'd be throwing out resumes like a madman and I'd probably get a new job in a few weeks. Easily. In fact, I sent out six resumes last week just to test the waters, and I got three responses.

But you're still blaming the black guy.

The wealthy didn't move into my neighborhood and turn it into a near ghetto.

NO, they are just the ones who moved all the good industrial jobs out of Cleveland because someone objected to the rivers being flammable, and you blame poor people.

Need I go on?

YOu mean with more racist rants about nail salons and Baptist churches? No, man, I think you've really read a lot into the ink blot.

Joe your mothers basement is not safe space enough for you it seems… You silly fucker why don't you just move to Europe?

 

[JonKoch]

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Each individual company has to determine when taxes are too high… It's not up to the federal government. The federal government knows nothing of business… Try and keep up fester

Yes Cupcake, Gov't can't just decide to tell the Corps who don't want to play by RULES we set up to go fuck themselves if they don't want to create jobs in the US and instead off shore the jobs WHILE deducting those expenses (which Dems tried to stop and the GOP blocked)?



Grow a brain Cupcake

 

[Rustic]

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Warren buffet wants taxes high because he hides his money in his foundations....and has companies that manage wealth for other people...and higher taxes require more planning.........

if buffet loves taxes...he could simply write a check.......from what I remember, he doesn't even pay the taxes he owes.......

No doubt, buffet is a hypocrite to the core.
Progressives like him because he's gives them lip service....

 

[JoeB131]

Reagan was lied to by the democrats who promised to cut spending...they didn't........

Actually, they did quite a lot. You obviously don't remember the Gramm Rudman act

Gramm–Rudman–Hollings Balanced Budget Act - Wikipedia

and clinton, the rapist, the republicans gained control of the House for the first time in 40 years...and they cut deficit....clinton had no plans to do anything about it.....

Except Clinton did two very important thing that cut the deficit-
1) He made the rich pay their fair share
2) He cut the bloated Cold War military budget.

But it was probably the economic growth that helped a bit, too.

Not to worry, you got Baby Bush in there, and he totally cocked up the works, doubled the national debt, got us into an endless war against an emotional state.

 

[Rustic]

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Each individual company has to determine when taxes are too high… It's not up to the federal government. The federal government knows nothing of business… Try and keep up fester

Yes Cupcake, Gov't can't just decide to tell the Corps who don't want to play by RULES we set up to go fuck themselves if they don't want to create jobs in the US and instead off shore the jobs WHILE deducting those expenses (which Dems tried to stop and the GOP blocked)?



Grow a brain Cupcake

You're falling behind again fester.
You see when they are overtaxed they have to change things, like move to a more tax friendly environment. Taxation without representation

 

[JonKoch]

Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing


Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Warren buffet wants taxes high because he hides his money in his foundations....and has companies that manage wealth for other people...and higher taxes require more planning.........

if buffet loves taxes...he could simply write a check.......from what I remember, he doesn't even pay the taxes he owes.......

LMAOROG, You guys are dupes for the Cheeto and his pals. Hides money in his foundations? Sorry Cupcake you are thinking of the Walton's of Walmart fame who use "charity" to do what they want by funneling it Arkansas where they built a "art museum" for billions AND have funneled untold millions to right wing causes (tax deductible of course) to stop estate taxes, push for charter schools, fought the rights to organize, etc...

 

[Rustic]

Reagan was lied to by the democrats who promised to cut spending...they didn't........

Actually, they did quite a lot. You obviously don't remember the Gramm Rudman act

Gramm–Rudman–Hollings Balanced Budget Act - Wikipedia

and clinton, the rapist, the republicans gained control of the House for the first time in 40 years...and they cut deficit....clinton had no plans to do anything about it.....

Except Clinton did two very important thing that cut the deficit-
1) He made the rich pay their fair share
2) He cut the bloated Cold War military budget.

But it was probably the economic growth that helped a bit, too.

Not to worry, you got Baby Bush in there, and he totally cocked up the works, doubled the national debt, got us into an endless war against an emotional state.

You do realize that the federal government is on nobodys side except for their own? you're a gullible fucker

 

[Rustic]

And it's Democrats lying as usual. Again, from FactCheck: THERE ARE NO TAX INCENTIVES TO MOVE JOBS OVERSEAS! Nobody moves to get a moving tax deduction. And as another FactCheck article points out, even left-wing economists agree that taking that moving expense away will not save one job. God you liberals are thick.

Once more dumbfuck



"Hey dumbfuck, think the US Gov't could set the rules for who sells in the worlds largest economy, if it wanted too?


You know like stopping the ability to write off shipping jobs oversea? Having strong policy on creating FAIR trade vs CONservatives "free trade" BS?"


WHERE DOES IT SAY INCENTIVES CUPCAKE?

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas.



Gawd you wingnutters are stoopid

Try to keep up fester, those companies would not be moving if they were not overtaxed… Taxation without representation

Sure Cupcake, sure

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High


The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen. So our corporate tax rate last year, effectively, in terms of taxes paid for the United States, was around 12 percent, which is well below those existing in most of the industrialized countries around the world. So it is a myth that American corporations are paying 35 percent or anything like it…Corporate taxes are not strangling American competitiveness.

Warren Buffett: ‘It Is A Myth’ That U.S. Corporate Taxes Are High

Warren buffet wants taxes high because he hides his money in his foundations....and has companies that manage wealth for other people...and higher taxes require more planning.........

if buffet loves taxes...he could simply write a check.......from what I remember, he doesn't even pay the taxes he owes.......

LMAOROG, You guys are dupes for the Cheeto and his pals. Hides money in his foundations? Sorry Cupcake you are thinking of the Walton's of Walmart fame who use "charity" to do what they want by funneling it Arkansas where they built a "art museum" for billions AND have funneled untold millions to right wing causes (tax deductible of course) to stop estate taxes, push for charter schools, fought the rights to organize, etc...

The federal government is not in the self interest of the citizens, the two are not one in the same. The deep state has to keep on promoting it's meal ticket…Try and keep up fester
Lol