2 year old taken by alligator at Disney

[Picaro]

Uh oh! Was there a sign saying don't fuck with the buffalo?

And no warning signs alerting them to the hazards of falling on the road and skinning their knees!

Sue them!!!

 

[mgh80]

Orlando is not too far from FSU where the Gators rule.

The Gators are Florida, not FSU. Tallahassee is far from Orlando.

They were having "Outdoor Movie Night" on that beach.

That's about as irresponsible as it gets. Alligators feed at night mostly, and are more active then. Especially in June. And they DID have an attack there before - 30 years ago. Now they've had 2 in the last 30 years.It's not many, but with the stakes this high, they should have been prepared, not having an Outdoor Movie Night.

I could just imagine what their boardroom discussions must have sounded like. Everything geared to bringing in more customers, making them more comfortable and happy, and making more money.....not a word about public safety.

This is a problem with our society. We have one set of irresponsible and stupid parents, so everybody has to suffer? I think not. What's next, we're all going to live in bubbles?

Also gators aren't really all that dangerous if you show them respect. I've lived in Florida for 30 years-and never once have I ever been anywhere close to being attacked by a gator.

The problem with society is the incredible amount of insensitivity and arrogance in your post.

For starters, these parents just lost a child. Furthermore, they had to watch this predator take their child literally out of their hands. Don't you think they are suffering enough now without the arm chair QBs on the internet telling them how "stupid" they are.

Secondly, you, who've lived in Florida for 30 years, don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that people from somewhere else in the world might not understand Florida wildlife?

Lastly, how exactly are you going to be make to "suffer" if Disney has to put signs up warning about the wildlife, or if Disney has to close their fake beaches that go no where anyway? What these parents are feeling today is "suffering" and they will feel it for the rest of their lives. What you're feeling is annoyance at tourists who had the audacity to not know what you know about your state of 30 years while visiting the kid friendly Magic Kingdom, and they paid for it with their child's life.

And if you're right that tourists are stupid for not knowing that alligators have the potential to be in every body of water in Florida and not just the everglades, then I'll double down on that and say how stupid is it that Disney follows up to the stupidity by building a man-made lake, inviting beaches and chairs right next to it and plenty of distractions without a single warning about alligators?

-I think it's common knowledge that there are gators here in Florida.

-The parents lived through a traumatic experience and I'm sure they'll regret it for the rest of their lives-but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. There are people who have used poor judgement and do actions that are detrimental to others-just because they feel bad doesn't erase the facts of what happened.

-If Disney cancels movie night because ONE of of hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the warnings, then yes it does affect others.

-They were warned not to go swimming. They choose to ignore the warnings and brought a 2-year old child into the water and that child paid the ultimate price.

-The parents obviously did NOT take the warnings seriously (when everybody else seemingly did mind you)-that's THEIR fault and THEIR responsibility.

 

[Ravi]

Uh oh! Was there a sign saying don't fuck with the buffalo?

That looks like Yellowstone and yes there are signs stating just that.

 

[Ravi]

Orlando is not too far from FSU where the Gators rule.

The Gators are Florida, not FSU. Tallahassee is far from Orlando.

They were having "Outdoor Movie Night" on that beach.

That's about as irresponsible as it gets. Alligators feed at night mostly, and are more active then. Especially in June. And they DID have an attack there before - 30 years ago. Now they've had 2 in the last 30 years.It's not many, but with the stakes this high, they should have been prepared, not having an Outdoor Movie Night.

I could just imagine what their boardroom discussions must have sounded like. Everything geared to bringing in more customers, making them more comfortable and happy, and making more money.....not a word about public safety.

This is a problem with our society. We have one set of irresponsible and stupid parents, so everybody has to suffer? I think not. What's next, we're all going to live in bubbles?

Also gators aren't really all that dangerous if you show them respect. I've lived in Florida for 30 years-and never once have I ever been anywhere close to being attacked by a gator.

The problem with society is the incredible amount of insensitivity and arrogance in your post.

For starters, these parents just lost a child. Furthermore, they had to watch this predator take their child literally out of their hands. Don't you think they are suffering enough now without the arm chair QBs on the internet telling them how "stupid" they are.

Secondly, you, who've lived in Florida for 30 years, don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that people from somewhere else in the world might not understand Florida wildlife?

Lastly, how exactly are you going to be make to "suffer" if Disney has to put signs up warning about the wildlife, or if Disney has to close their fake beaches that go no where anyway? What these parents are feeling today is "suffering" and they will feel it for the rest of their lives. What you're feeling is annoyance at tourists who had the audacity to not know what you know about your state of 30 years while visiting the kid friendly Magic Kingdom, and they paid for it with their child's life.

And if you're right that tourists are stupid for not knowing that alligators have the potential to be in every body of water in Florida and not just the everglades, then I'll double down on that and say how stupid is it that Disney follows up to the stupidity by building a man-made lake, inviting beaches and chairs right next to it and plenty of distractions without a single warning about alligators?

-I think it's common knowledge that there are gators here in Florida.

-The parents lived through a traumatic experience and I'm sure they'll regret it for the rest of their lives-but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. There are people who have used poor judgement and do actions that are detrimental to others-just because they feel bad doesn't erase the facts of what happened.

-If Disney cancels movie night because ONE of of hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the warnings, then yes it does affect others.

-

Yeah, they should get the needle for going to Disney.

 

[mgh80]

If one person on that beach had a gun. Different outcome.

Not true. Shooting a gator with a 9mm wont do anything to the gator. Gators are also very fast and would be hard to hit while moving. Gators are so fast that in fact you can't outrun one-on land.

 

[mgh80]

Orlando is not too far from FSU where the Gators rule.

The Gators are Florida, not FSU. Tallahassee is far from Orlando.

They were having "Outdoor Movie Night" on that beach.

That's about as irresponsible as it gets. Alligators feed at night mostly, and are more active then. Especially in June. And they DID have an attack there before - 30 years ago. Now they've had 2 in the last 30 years.It's not many, but with the stakes this high, they should have been prepared, not having an Outdoor Movie Night.

I could just imagine what their boardroom discussions must have sounded like. Everything geared to bringing in more customers, making them more comfortable and happy, and making more money.....not a word about public safety.

This is a problem with our society. We have one set of irresponsible and stupid parents, so everybody has to suffer? I think not. What's next, we're all going to live in bubbles?

Also gators aren't really all that dangerous if you show them respect. I've lived in Florida for 30 years-and never once have I ever been anywhere close to being attacked by a gator.

The problem with society is the incredible amount of insensitivity and arrogance in your post.

For starters, these parents just lost a child. Furthermore, they had to watch this predator take their child literally out of their hands. Don't you think they are suffering enough now without the arm chair QBs on the internet telling them how "stupid" they are.

Secondly, you, who've lived in Florida for 30 years, don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that people from somewhere else in the world might not understand Florida wildlife?

Lastly, how exactly are you going to be make to "suffer" if Disney has to put signs up warning about the wildlife, or if Disney has to close their fake beaches that go no where anyway? What these parents are feeling today is "suffering" and they will feel it for the rest of their lives. What you're feeling is annoyance at tourists who had the audacity to not know what you know about your state of 30 years while visiting the kid friendly Magic Kingdom, and they paid for it with their child's life.

And if you're right that tourists are stupid for not knowing that alligators have the potential to be in every body of water in Florida and not just the everglades, then I'll double down on that and say how stupid is it that Disney follows up to the stupidity by building a man-made lake, inviting beaches and chairs right next to it and plenty of distractions without a single warning about alligators?

-I think it's common knowledge that there are gators here in Florida.

-The parents lived through a traumatic experience and I'm sure they'll regret it for the rest of their lives-but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. There are people who have used poor judgement and do actions that are detrimental to others-just because they feel bad doesn't erase the facts of what happened.

-If Disney cancels movie night because ONE of of hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the warnings, then yes it does affect others.

-

Yeah, they should get the needle for going to Disney.

They should have used common sense and followed instructions...if they did their kid would be alive today.

 

[WillowTree]

Uh oh! Was there a sign saying don't fuck with the buffalo?

That looks like Yellowstone and yes there are signs stating just that.

Shows what an extraordinary good job signs are at keeping us safe huh?

 

[mgh80]

Uh oh! Was there a sign saying don't fuck with the buffalo?

That looks like Yellowstone and yes there are signs stating just that.

Shows what an extraordinary good job signs are at keeping us safe huh?

Once I ignored a sign that said "caution: do not enter"...well I didn't think it was really that big of a deal so I entered and then a hammer fell on my head from the work site. It was their fault-I mean they didn't warn me about tools potentially being dropped!

 

[saveliberty]

Not true. Shooting a gator with a 9mm wont do anything to the gator. Gators are also very fast and would be hard to hit while moving. Gators are so fast that in fact you can't outrun one-on land.

Wrong 9mph tops for a gator, man can hit 20+

 

[mgh80]

Not true. Shooting a gator with a 9mm wont do anything to the gator. Gators are also very fast and would be hard to hit while moving. Gators are so fast that in fact you can't outrun one-on land.

Wrong 9mph tops for a gator, man can hit 20+

Wrong, this is basic math.

-Gators run faster than 9mph...but let's focus on your much bolder claim

-To run 20 MPH....you'd be running a 3 minute mile....the record is 3 minutes 43 seconds. I'm sorry but you can't run that.

 

[beagle9]

I despise Disney, but this is entirely on the parents.

I disagree.

The parents were completely blameless. They were not properly warned about the presence of gators in the lake and all the blame for the child's death falls upon Disney World.

When I saw the “no swimming please” sign I actually laughed out loud. I have reviewed hundreds of cases involving warning labels, and this sign didn't come close to putting anyone on notice of a possible gator attack. Besides, the child was wading, not swimming, so the sign was meaningless. Swimming could have been prohibited for a number of reasons, which would have had no effect on waders (contaminated water for example). Even if the child had been swimming the sign gave no indication that this created a potentially life threatening situation. It could have been nothing more than a park rule designed to maintain a certain atmosphere. I would argue that the word “please” implies neither a warning nor a demand but merely a request. Disney World had an absolute obligation to warn their guests of any known dangers. They knew there were gators in the lake and were legally obligated to provide adequate warning of this danger. The silly “no swimming please” sign gave no warning whatsoever.

The parents are completely blameless. Merely wading in a few inches of water at the edge of a lake poses no immediate danger of any kind to the child. It's not like wading in the ocean where a wave can knock a child over and carry him into deeper water within seconds. The parents were close enough to the child that the father was able to grab hold of the gator before the child vanished from sight. The parents will sue and Disney World will have to dig deep into their pockets. I would be shocked if the case went to trial since Disney has no legitimate defense and the adverse publicity of a trial would not be in their best interest. My best guess: an out of court settlement in excess of $10 million. It could be a helluva lot more.

lol... go chase an ambulance.

. You would make a poor defense lawyer for the furor (i.e. Hitler), but you would be trying as hard as you can I bet. You know the good ole Nazi's followed him blindly to the end, and you would probably do the same. Hope nothing ever happens to you or your family, because I know you would be loyal to your strict ant-lawsuit policy till the end right ? I mean even if there is negligence found on or within a corporation in which had caused you or your family harm, you will fight to get NOTHING. Remember that now.

 

[WillowTree]

It's bad when Nazi's make it into an alligator thread.

 

[beagle9]

?
I thought there were laws or rule against soliciting business; clients have to contact lawyers, not the other way. Only when they are agreed to be their representation can they communicate back and forth. Lawyers aren't supposed to solicit other people's clients either.

Really? Then what are all those TV commercials and mass mailings lawyers run every day? Are they selling cookies?

I agree with you about the McDonald's case, but this is nothing like that. Baht Disney park has been around for decades, and it was posted. The semantic spin is just ridiculous that they should have had a list of every possible hazard, when the sing they had covered every possibility related to going in the water. No one can ever post enough signage to prevent Stupid Human Tricks.

Great point. For every drug on the market some shyster lawyer has a class action lawsuit against the maker.

Lightning strikes also happen on beaches, don't forget that! And, and , it's possible to stumble and choke yourself on a jawbreaker when walking on sand, too! Have to have that on your signs, OR ELSE!!!!

. Defend corporate negligence & it's money over the kids dead body eh ? Ahh what the heck right, he was just one kid eh ? Everybody just shake hands and part ways then, nothing to see here.

 

[beagle9]

It's bad when Nazi's make it into an alligator thread.

. They were already here, I'm just calling them out.

 

[beagle9]

Uh oh! Was there a sign saying don't fuck with the buffalo?

And no warning signs alerting them to the hazards of falling on the road and skinning their knees!

Sue them!!!

. You make a great Democrat... Find an excuse no matter how unconnected it will be or how dumb the excuses are in which you find or you do hope to find and then use.

 

[Fang]

Orlando is not too far from FSU where the Gators rule.

The Gators are Florida, not FSU. Tallahassee is far from Orlando.

They were having "Outdoor Movie Night" on that beach.

That's about as irresponsible as it gets. Alligators feed at night mostly, and are more active then. Especially in June. And they DID have an attack there before - 30 years ago. Now they've had 2 in the last 30 years.It's not many, but with the stakes this high, they should have been prepared, not having an Outdoor Movie Night.

I could just imagine what their boardroom discussions must have sounded like. Everything geared to bringing in more customers, making them more comfortable and happy, and making more money.....not a word about public safety.

This is a problem with our society. We have one set of irresponsible and stupid parents, so everybody has to suffer? I think not. What's next, we're all going to live in bubbles?

Also gators aren't really all that dangerous if you show them respect. I've lived in Florida for 30 years-and never once have I ever been anywhere close to being attacked by a gator.

The problem with society is the incredible amount of insensitivity and arrogance in your post.

For starters, these parents just lost a child. Furthermore, they had to watch this predator take their child literally out of their hands. Don't you think they are suffering enough now without the arm chair QBs on the internet telling them how "stupid" they are.

Secondly, you, who've lived in Florida for 30 years, don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that people from somewhere else in the world might not understand Florida wildlife?

Lastly, how exactly are you going to be make to "suffer" if Disney has to put signs up warning about the wildlife, or if Disney has to close their fake beaches that go no where anyway? What these parents are feeling today is "suffering" and they will feel it for the rest of their lives. What you're feeling is annoyance at tourists who had the audacity to not know what you know about your state of 30 years while visiting the kid friendly Magic Kingdom, and they paid for it with their child's life.

And if you're right that tourists are stupid for not knowing that alligators have the potential to be in every body of water in Florida and not just the everglades, then I'll double down on that and say how stupid is it that Disney follows up to the stupidity by building a man-made lake, inviting beaches and chairs right next to it and plenty of distractions without a single warning about alligators?

-I think it's common knowledge that there are gators here in Florida.

-The parents lived through a traumatic experience and I'm sure they'll regret it for the rest of their lives-but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. There are people who have used poor judgement and do actions that are detrimental to others-just because they feel bad doesn't erase the facts of what happened.

-If Disney cancels movie night because ONE of of hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the warnings, then yes it does affect others.

-They were warned not to go swimming. They choose to ignore the warnings and brought a 2-year old child into the water and that child paid the ultimate price.

-The parents obviously did NOT take the warnings seriously (when everybody else seemingly did mind you)-that's THEIR fault and THEIR responsibility.

Obviously it's not common knowledge that alligators are in and around Disney.

Granted, I've heard many people say "No Swimming" means stay out of the water, but I've also heard many people say "No Swimming" doesn't mean you can't wade in the water. You and I can debate all day what the sign means, but what is clear is the sign is not specific enough.

Was is a stupid decision to step in to the water with a 2 year old? Perhaps. But then I would argue if the water is that dangerous why would you build a beach and put chairs on it and invite people to stand and lay by the water? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put grass by the water with a sign that says "Wildlife STAY OUT"?

 

[Zoom-boing]

omg, that poor baby. Just horrific.

Praying for the family.

 

[WillowTree]

Orlando is not too far from FSU where the Gators rule.

The Gators are Florida, not FSU. Tallahassee is far from Orlando.

They were having "Outdoor Movie Night" on that beach.

That's about as irresponsible as it gets. Alligators feed at night mostly, and are more active then. Especially in June. And they DID have an attack there before - 30 years ago. Now they've had 2 in the last 30 years.It's not many, but with the stakes this high, they should have been prepared, not having an Outdoor Movie Night.

I could just imagine what their boardroom discussions must have sounded like. Everything geared to bringing in more customers, making them more comfortable and happy, and making more money.....not a word about public safety.

This is a problem with our society. We have one set of irresponsible and stupid parents, so everybody has to suffer? I think not. What's next, we're all going to live in bubbles?

Also gators aren't really all that dangerous if you show them respect. I've lived in Florida for 30 years-and never once have I ever been anywhere close to being attacked by a gator.

The problem with society is the incredible amount of insensitivity and arrogance in your post.

For starters, these parents just lost a child. Furthermore, they had to watch this predator take their child literally out of their hands. Don't you think they are suffering enough now without the arm chair QBs on the internet telling them how "stupid" they are.

Secondly, you, who've lived in Florida for 30 years, don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that people from somewhere else in the world might not understand Florida wildlife?

Lastly, how exactly are you going to be make to "suffer" if Disney has to put signs up warning about the wildlife, or if Disney has to close their fake beaches that go no where anyway? What these parents are feeling today is "suffering" and they will feel it for the rest of their lives. What you're feeling is annoyance at tourists who had the audacity to not know what you know about your state of 30 years while visiting the kid friendly Magic Kingdom, and they paid for it with their child's life.

And if you're right that tourists are stupid for not knowing that alligators have the potential to be in every body of water in Florida and not just the everglades, then I'll double down on that and say how stupid is it that Disney follows up to the stupidity by building a man-made lake, inviting beaches and chairs right next to it and plenty of distractions without a single warning about alligators?

-I think it's common knowledge that there are gators here in Florida.

-The parents lived through a traumatic experience and I'm sure they'll regret it for the rest of their lives-but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision. There are people who have used poor judgement and do actions that are detrimental to others-just because they feel bad doesn't erase the facts of what happened.

-If Disney cancels movie night because ONE of of hundreds of thousands of people didn't follow the warnings, then yes it does affect others.

-They were warned not to go swimming. They choose to ignore the warnings and brought a 2-year old child into the water and that child paid the ultimate price.

-The parents obviously did NOT take the warnings seriously (when everybody else seemingly did mind you)-that's THEIR fault and THEIR responsibility.

Obviously it's not common knowledge that alligators are in and around Disney.

Granted, I've heard many people say "No Swimming" means stay out of the water, but I've also heard many people say "No Swimming" doesn't mean you can't wade in the water. You and I can debate all day what the sign means, but what is clear is the sign is not specific enough.

Was is a stupid decision to step in to the water with a 2 year old? Perhaps. But then I would argue if the water is that dangerous why would you build a beach and put chairs on it and invite people to stand and lay by the water? Wouldn't it make much more sense to put grass by the water with a sign that says "Wildlife STAY OUT"?

Is Disney in Florida?

 

[WillowTree]

Anywhere in Florida that there is water you can bet a gator lives there! Stake your life on it. The one exception to that rule is a natural spring. I have never seen a gator in a spring it's the only place I will swim.

 

[Fang]

"They knew about the alligators. They had reports from employees concerned about the alligators and yet they did nothing," said attorney Michael Steinger of the Florida-based law firm Steinger, Iscoe & Greene. "When you know of this danger and you fail to take action – and more so you invite guests to come to that beach to watch a movie on the sand – you have to take responsibility for the inherent danger on the lake that you’re aware of."

Gator tragedy leaves Disney facing legal nightmare, say experts | Fox News

Who the hell invites people to come to their magic amusement park, proceeds to show a movie on the beach next to a lagoon where alligators reside and doesn't even warn people of the danger in the water? Keep in mind there are many other distractions going (light shows, fireworks, the pool, music, etc). Disney was playing with fire on this one. I'm mean, WHO THE FUCK BUILDS A BEACH NEXT TO A LAGOON WHERE ALLIGATORS RESIDE AND INVITES PEOPLE ONTO IT AT NIGHT - people who don't live in Florida and may not know???

Look, I love Disney. My family stays at Disney resorts 2-3 times a year. They know how to entertain the young ones. But they dropped the ball on this one and child paid with his life.