338,000

[22lcidw]

There is no mental health problem. So that covers that problem.

Prog proteges work overtime to kill. Here here, good work.

 

[Markle]

Of course I'm right.

"He legally purchased two AR platform rifles from a federally licensed gun store on two days: May 17 — just a day after his birthday — and May 20, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said, according to a briefing that state Sen. John Whitmire, chair of the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, received from state authorities late Tuesday. The gunman bought 375 rounds of 5.56-caliber ammunition on May 18.


In Texas, you must be at least 18 years old to buy a rifle, and the state does not require a license to openly carry one in public."

Uvalde gunman legally bought AR rifles days before shooting, law enforcement says

He brought only one of the rifles with him into the elementary school, according to the briefing. The other was left in a truck he crashed nearby.

www.texastribune.org

Laughably false.

Watch for yourself.

Thank you for emphasizing the FACT that those guns were bought illegally.

Oh look! I can post videos too!

 

[Markle]

Meanwhile back in reality, we have 30,000 gun deaths a year.

The whole of Europe--the entire continent--has a few thousand if that many.

The highest number of firearm deaths was attributed to suicide (24,292). Homicide was the second highest cause (19,384).

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And California with extreme gun control had more……

I explained that to her, but she either has me on ignore or smartly won't debate me.

 

[candycorn]

You're five years behind, Americans are now approaching $1 TRILLION in credit card debt.

What does credit card debt have to do with illegal purchases and ownership of guns?

PERSONAL FINANCE

U.S. credit card debt jumps 18.5% and hits a record $930.6 billion​

PUBLISHED FRI, FEB 3 20239:45 AM ESTUPDATED FRI, FEB 3 202311:08 AM EST
Jessica Dickler@JDICKLER

KEY POINTS

• Total credit card debt reached a record $930.6 billion in the fourth quarter of 2022, according to the latest credit report from TransUnion.
• As balance rise, so have delinquencies, which is “something to watch,” says TransUnion’s Michele Raneri.

U.S. credit card debt jumps 18.5% and hits a record $930.6 billion

Inflation and higher interest rates boosted credit card debt to a record $930.6 billion at the end of 2022, a 18.5% jump from a year earlier, TransUnion found.

www.cnbc.com

Illegal purchases?

I was pointing out how easy it is to get guns.... thus more guns are in "circulation" thus the price drops. Its called economics--you know supply and demand and all of those other concepts you guys call fake news.

 

[candycorn]

Thank you for emphasizing the FACT that those guns were bought illegally.

Oh look! I can post videos too!

Yeah but mine are relevant.

It points out that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show no questions asked. So the only solution is to stop the sales all together and make the buyers go through traditional channels; not some guy with a card table.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Republicans are dishonest cowards who refuse to address the issue of gun crime and violence.

Instead, they attempt to deflect with fearmongering, fallacies, and lies.

Boy is that the fire calling the kettle black. We did address the issue, hundreds of times. Guns don't hop out of dresser drawers or gun safes while we're sleeping and kill people.

As long as the Democrat party operatives refuse to get tough on criminal offenders with guns, then things will only get worse no matter what gun laws are in place. But you support these people, vote for these people, and when they give these criminals slaps on the hand, blame the guns for the crimes.

 

[candycorn]

The highest number of firearm deaths was attributed to suicide (24,292). Homicide was the second highest cause (19,384).

Wow; that is like 44,000 or so. Much higher than what I thought.

What is really mind blowing is that according to the statistics that 80-90% of self inflicted gun deaths means that the number of attempted suicides by firearms are up around 28-30K in and of themselves.

And you guys still don't see anything wrong with this picture.

It's sad that you think this is just the costs of doing business.

 

[Blues Man]

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WAPO is behind a paywall. The OP/ED cites the WAPO story. 338,000 +/- students have been in a school that suffered a school shooting. The reporter cited that five years earlier when he did the research, it was 187,000.

Unbelievable. Students in every other advanced nation do not have to bear that yoke. It strains the imagination to consider what this means long term.

Littwin: The mass shootings never seem to end, but one analysis says there may still be hope

A Washington Post story five years ago showed 187,000 kids had been affected by school shootings since Columbine. Now it’s 338,000.

coloradosun.com

Define the term "affected by"

 

[Markle]

Wow; that is like 44,000 or so. Much higher than what I thought.

What is really mind blowing is that according to the statistics that 80-90% of self inflicted gun deaths means that the number of attempted suicides by firearms are up around 28-30K in and of themselves.

And you guys still don't see anything wrong with this picture.

It's sad that you think this is just the costs of doing business.

 

[Markle]

Yeah but mine are relevant.

It points out that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show no questions asked. So the only solution is to stop the sales all together and make the buyers go through traditional channels; not some guy with a card table.

CRIME

Published February 17, 2023 2:00am EST

California violent crime tripled as suspects walked free without bail: reform study​

Violent crime tripled and felony offenses nearly doubled among suspects released on low or no bail, study found​

By Michael Ruiz | Fox News

California violent crime tripled as suspects walked free without bail: reform study

A new study comparing California offenders who posted bail with those were let out under "Zero Bail" found that the latter group reoffended sooner and more often.

www.foxnews.com

 

[2aguy]

Yeah but mine are relevant.

It points out that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show no questions asked. So the only solution is to stop the sales all together and make the buyers go through traditional channels; not some guy with a card table.

And you lie. All firearm dealers must do a mandated Federal Background check. If you are a private seller....meaning you are you are not a dealer, and merely selling one of your own private guns, you can sell that anywhere in the country....at a gun show, at the mall, at a park.......

There is a real solution for someone who wants to sell a gun when they are not an actual firearm business.......make the NICS background check system available to everyone, using a phone app......so you punch in the persons name, birthday, even their soc. sec. number......and then you can find out if they are a criminal...

But.....you don't want that.

Why?

No records would be kept of the sale, and you don't have to register guns to make this happen.

This isn't a solution for you because you want gun registration, so you can confiscate guns...

 

[2aguy]

Wow; that is like 44,000 or so. Much higher than what I thought.

What is really mind blowing is that according to the statistics that 80-90% of self inflicted gun deaths means that the number of attempted suicides by firearms are up around 28-30K in and of themselves.

And you guys still don't see anything wrong with this picture.

It's sad that you think this is just the costs of doing business.

Suicide is a mental health issue...it is not a gun issue...just ask the South Koreans, Japanese and Chinese who manage to commit suicide at way higher rates than we do...as do these European countries....you clod...

Canada....more young people in canada commit suicide

STAT	Canada	United States
Ages 15-24	15 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 9% more than United States	13.7 per 100,000 people Ranked 7th.
Ages 25-34	18 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 18% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th.
Ages 35-44	19.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 8th. 25% more than United States	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 12th.
Ages 45-54	18.5 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 29% more than United States	14.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 55-64	15.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 14% more than United States	13.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 13th.
Ages 65-74	12.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 14th.	15.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 11th. 26% more than Canada
Ages above 75	12.2 per 100,000 people Ranked 15th.	22 per 100,000 people Ranked 10th. 80% more than Canada

SOURCES: GECD Society at a Glance 2001, Statistical Annex Table D3


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Suicide-rates

Methods in japan..



https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1



A new report by Unicef contains a shocking statistic - New Zealand has by far the highest youth suicide rate in the developed world.
A shock but no surprise - it's not the first time the country tops that table.
The Unicef report found New Zealand's youth suicide rate - teenagers between 15 and 19 - to be the highest of a long list of 41 OECD and EU countries.
The rate of 15.6 suicides per 100,000 people is twice as high as the US rate and almost five times that of Britain.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40284130



Another year...Japan and 20 other countries with higher suicide rates than U.S....



https://www.nli-research.co.jp/files/topics/51104_ext_18_en_0.pdf?site=nli

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I like what Sweden has done with their gun laws. If you want to have a gun, you're interviewed numerous times before you get one.

Weapon licence | The Swedish Police Authority

To be allowed possession of a weapon, you must apply for a weapon licence and have your application granted.

polisen.se

Things along those lines.

Go live in Sweden. In the US all law abiding citizens have a Constitutional right to bear arms. I have owned firearms for over 40 years and served in the military I will not have some bureaucrat control my 2nd Amendment right.

 

[Ralph Norton]

Republicans are dishonest cowards who refuse to address the issue of gun crime and violence.

Instead, they attempt to deflect with fearmongering, fallacies, and lies.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion as always.

 

[2aguy]

Go live in Sweden. In the US all law abiding citizens have a Constitutional right to bear arms. I have owned firearms for over 40 years and served in the military I will not have some bureaucrat control my 2nd Amendment right.

Candy doesn't realize that Sweden is a war zone between drug gangs.....they are not only using fully automatic military rifles.....they are also throwing grenades at each other.....

Apparently, the immigrant criminals don't understand Sweden's gun laws....especially regarding using fully automatic military rifles and grenades....

"Our kids are actually dying - and it's weekly. Mother after mother, after mother is burying their kids," the heartbreaking words I heard from Maritha, a mother whose son Marley was shot dead on the streets of Stockholm. ​

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Maritha spends her time campaigning to end gun crime, whilst her son's killer is yet to face justice. ​

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When I travelled to Stockholm for my On Assignment report, Maritha would be the first person to tell me the primary factor driving Sweden's rising gun crime murders was segregation, but she would not be last. ​

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The headlines about serious youth violence and gang crime bring to mind cities such as London, New York and Sao Paulo. ​

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But, few would think of or know that Stockholm, Sweden, has become one of the worst places in Europe for Gun violence. ​

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http://[URL='https://www.itv.com/ne...otings-are-on-the-increase-in-swedens-suburbs

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A suspected bomb blast which tore through an apartment block, injuring 20 people in the Swedish city of Gothenburg in the early hours of Tuesday has reignited the country's debate over rampant gang violence.​

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Police say that an explosive device was 'probably' placed at the scene, with sources revealing that an officer who recently testified at a major gang trial lived in the building.​

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Prime Minister Stefan Lofven refused to 'speculate' but it's hard to blame Swedes for rushing to conclusions: more than 200 explosions and 360 shootings reverberated through their cities in 2020.​

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Police chiefs blame the violence on 'criminal clans that have a completely different culture' and a 'generous welfare system and trusting society can be exploited by the criminal networks.'​

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The country last year suffered its highest level of murder and manslaughter for at least 18 years, with 124 people killed in violent attacks. Eighty per cent were linked to gangs and 39 per cent involved guns.​

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Gun crime is also rampant, which BRA attributes to increased gangs, drug trafficking, and low confidence in the police.​

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In 2020, Sweden recorded more than 360 gun-involved incident, with 47 deaths and 117 people wounded.​

After a long period of decline, gun violence steadily increased from the mid-2000s and continues to do so.​

Shooting deaths more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now account for 40 per cent of violent deaths.​

'The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,' the report said.​

Eighty per cent of shootings were linked to gangs, a significantly higher proportion than in other European countries. ​

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As 'bomb blast' injures 20, how Sweden is being plagued by explosions​

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Sweden has gone from having one of the lowest rates of gun violence in Europe to having one of the highest, a report said on Wednesday, describing what one researcher called a "social contagion" of killings.​

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The report said eight out of 10 shootings took place in a "criminal environment", with gang conflicts mentioned as one of the potential reasons for the trend. The drugs trade and low confidence towards the police in some parts of society were also cited as potential factors.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/social-contagion-sweden-sees-surge-deadly-shootings-2021-05-26/​

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The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,” the report said, noting that shooting deaths had more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now accounted for 40% of violent deaths.​

The report said more than eight out of 10 shootings were linked to organised crime, a significantly higher proportion than in other countries, and cited gang wars, the drugs trade and low confidence towards the police as potential factors.​

The report said a decline in other forms of deadly violence, including knife crime, had masked the rise in fatal shootings.​

Of 22 European countries analysed in the report, data from 2014-2017 put the country in second place, behind Croatia and ahead of Latvia. In 2018 it topped the ranking, although data from some countries was not complete that year.​

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Last year the country of 10.3 million people recorded more than 360 incidents involving guns, including 47 deaths and 117 people injured.​

Sweden is the only European country where fatal shootings have risen significantly since 2000, leaping from one of the lowest rates of gun violence on the continent to one of the highest in less than a decade, a report has found.​

The report, by the Swedish national council for crime prevention (BRA), said the Scandinavian country had overtaken Italy and eastern European countries primarily because of the violent activities of organised criminal gangs.​

Sweden’s gun violence rate has soared due to gangs, report says​

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Swedish capital sees 79% spike in shootings as govt laments ‘high levels’ of violence in the Scandinavian country​

Sweden recorded a surge in gun-related violence last year, according to new figures released by the government amid accusations that authorities have turned a blind eye to rising crime in the country.​

Interior Minister Mikael Damberg disclosed on Monday that 47 people were killed and 117 injured in 366 shooting incidents in 2020, marking a 10 percent increase in gun violence when compared to statistics from 2019.​

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Damberg noted that in nearly half of the shootings registered last year, someone was injured or killed. “We will neither accept nor get used to such high levels of violence,” he said.​

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The situation in Malmo, a city with a large migrant population that has struggled with gang violence, has improved, while crime is surging in Stockholm, the interior minister pointed out.​

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According to Damberg, the Swedish capital saw a staggering 79 percent increase in shootings in 2020.​

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Most of the violent incidents occurred in 60 suburbs across the country identified by police as “vulnerable” areas. Damberg said that while 5.4 percent of Sweden’s population live in such neighborhoods, they account for more than half of the nation’s fatal shootings.​

 

[bigrebnc1775]

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WAPO is behind a paywall. The OP/ED cites the WAPO story. 338,000 +/- students have been in a school that suffered a school shooting. The reporter cited that five years earlier when he did the research, it was 187,000.

Unbelievable. Students in every other advanced nation do not have to bear that yoke. It strains the imagination to consider what this means long term.

Littwin: The mass shootings never seem to end, but one analysis says there may still be hope

A Washington Post story five years ago showed 187,000 kids had been affected by school shootings since Columbine. Now it’s 338,000.

coloradosun.com

 

[Hutch Starskey]

when id I say or imply nothing should change??? I would love it if everyone is armed and everytime someone tries to kill or rape someone they are shot by every person around them,,

Sounds lovely.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

well australia has started building concentration camps and forcing people into them,, and GB has started arresting people for coming out of their homes,,

 

[Hum Dinger]

Then go there.
--- Note the bitching about America.....but refusal to leave.

Stop voting Democrat and the gun violence will eventually stop. A 5 year old could figure that out.
It's the criminal immoral policies of your masters.

Next they'll demand more CAR Control, Knife Control, Acid Control, Axe control, Machete control, Pencil control, Arrow control, and control of your children.

You see....it's ALL ABOUT CONTROL. Public safety was never an issue for them.

Paranoid much?