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Both groups provide funds to the University. Legacy student's parents give grants and athletes attract people to games who pay money to see their games. Both directly benefit the university and subsidize things like ethnic studies programs.How is it “a big reason why the country is in decline” when first, blacks make up a tiny minority in the most competitive institutions regardless, and of that minority, there is no indication that all or most “don’t have merit”. Two far bigger groups who are admitted the way you describe are legacy student and athletes. Each group takes up more slots than minorities do, from students who might have higher gpa or test scores which is usually the argument made.
A high top tax rate gives the government considerable control over the economic behavior of the rich. With all their loop holes they still paid much more in taxes.1) you are talking about being in the middle of a world war where the USA was straining every sinew to produce the weapons to arm the entire free world.
2) No one paid 94%, the rich had tax shelters and deductions that lowered their actual tax rate ot the same or less than the middle class paid.
The illegitimate children of unmarried mothers who do not know who their fathers are and who are admitted because standards are lowered for them bring nothing to the university but loud rap music when serious students are trying to study.Both groups provide funds to the University. Legacy student's parents give grants and athletes attract people to games who pay money to see their games. Both directly benefit the university and subsidize things like ethnic studies programs.
What does indigenous refer to then?Those other categories aren’t racist. Unrelated.
I would say that it's a different way to say the same thing and to accomplish the same desired result.Yeah, right.
And they KNOW it’s racist. That Newsvine just admitted it by saying how whites have been giving favoritism for 350 years, so now it’s time to suck it up [as blacks are given favoritism].
What she and others like her don’t want to admit is that whites alive TODAY haven’t been favored over blacks. In fact, for the last 40 years, blacks have been favored. But still it’s not enough. They want to punish whites who have ALREADY lost out on college spots and job promotions to less-qualified blacks even further because they might have had ancestor who might have been a slave.
My own family didn’t arrive here until the 20th century - poor, uneducated, and without a word of English. By the next generation, everyone had graduated from college and owned homes in the suburbs. All it took was brains, motivation, and discipline.
All it took was brains, motivation, and discipline AND NOT BEING BLACK OR OF AFRICAN DESCENT (you always forget this part)
That does not alter the fact that you are taking admission slots from applicants with greater merit. All you are doing is saying it is ok to discriminate if they give us money, but it is still discriminating against applicants with greater “merit”.Both groups provide funds to the University. Legacy student's parents give grants and athletes attract people to games who pay money to see their games. Both directly benefit the university and subsidize things like ethnic studies programs.
I never even considered the fact that my siblings and I are first generation if that means the first generation to graduate from college? And I honestly don't remember being asked that question.I disagree.
It is earned. The admitted students still must meet the academic criteria for admissions. Race cannot be the sole or main factor, but it can be one of many factors to consider.
Now I agree Dems and Repubs differ on what equality means: equality of outcome or equality at the start. Both have pros and cons.
I don’t see it in those lights. Higher Ed has traditionally been a driver of economic success and upward mobility. College educated parents are more likely to pass on the value of an education to their kids and be able to academically support them. I think you will find college educated Blacks are no different than college educated Whites in that regard. But to get there, you need to be admitted and you then need to finish. Many Black students may also be first generation, a category that struggles and is given consideration in the admissions process. But those admissions are worth it in their ability to give back to their communities.
I see this holistically.
So according to your comment above, you must be one of the least intelligent candidates but I would bet money on me being head & shoulders above you in intelligence.admit blacks who by every objective, measurable criterion are less intelligent than the least intelligent non blacks they admit.
No there isn’t. You just don’t want to acknowledge that impoverished people without even a high school education fleeing antisemitism, and still facing it here, managed to raise children who all graduated from college and went on to affluence. The opportunities my parents and their siblings were given were available to black kids too.Lisa would have us believe that she and her family "alone and completely unassisted" and "without the impediments of the history of racial animus against Black people" rose to affluence. Yet when she is asked for specific details about this rise, there are holes and inconsistencies in her retelling of the tale.
Yes, it’s been made largely to their own effort, despite antisemitism. For some strange reason, you refuse to admit that success is in blacks’ own hands, and that with hard work, no children before marriage, no crime, no drugs, studying hard, and taking advantage of free educational programs, they too can rise to affluence.The United States has done as more for the Jewish American people than it has for Black Americans, yet we persevere. For some strange reason, Lisa and others don't understand that the fact that they are NOT BLACK gives them an automatic advantage. Yet she wants to pretend that there is no advantage and that all of the progress that has been made is due solely to their own effort.
Nope. Superior firepower and being bloodthirsty enough to use it on anyone who stood in the way of what the originators wanted.IQ power is the reason we whites have everything we do
Based on white supremacist policies. Only white male landowners were allowed to participate in the political arena via voting.Give us a break. Whites have everything they do because they have built the most productive society in the history of mankind.
The assumption that Black people can not or would not achieve the things we have "but for" the existence of affirmative action is the default mindset of those against itas well as the belief that merit plays no part in it which is ridiculous when you think about it. When we mention that white women are the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action, the immediate response is "no, I got that job through my own merit". No one said merit isn't involved, but in order to apply, the opportunities had to first be opened up to more women, minorities, etc.How is it “a big reason why the country is in decline” when first, blacks make up a tiny minority in the most competitive institutions regardless, and of that minority, there is no indication that all or most “don’t have merit”. Two far bigger groups who are admitted the way you describe are legacy student and athletes. Each group takes up more slots than minorities do, from students who might have higher gpa or test scores which is usually the argument made.
I’m to respond to just this, and that is that you really can’t compare what happens in an elementary school with what happens in college, too many differences.No, the underpinning of the argument has been whether colleges can use one’s skin color as a factor in deciding whom to admit or reject, which often outweighs predictive factors of success.
I feel that should be most of it, yes, with other consideration given to activities that are predictive of success in the program - such as editor of high school newspaper if journalism major, Hospital volunteer for pre-med, etc.
That should be the primary focus. Other areas which are beneficial to students are learning to live independently, solving one’s own problems, and, like every stage of life, enjoying friends and social activities.
To an extent. The problem comes about when standards are significantly lowered to allow this diversity, thus creating two classes of students: the better students, admitted after meeting higher standards; and the weaker students, who were still admitted but under lower standards for the purpose of diversity. It lowers the teaching level of the class, and the better students suffer for it.
I saw first-hand what happens when you mix top students with “less good” students as far back as elementary school. For my first four years, I was in a school that ”tracked,” and I was placed in the top group where the lessons were challenging and interesting. I advanced quickly and was doing 6th grade math by grade 4, along with my classmates.
Then they redistricted to where there was no tracking, and I was placed in regular classes for the next four years. The first two years were a total waste. The two years after that were OK, but nothing especially challenging. Then my parents moved back to the district where there had been tracking, and my old friends from elementary school were there. They had remained in the tracked district, and were YEARS ahead of me.
IOW, putting less academically qualified students (the AA admits) hurts the better academically qualified students (those who get in under higher standards), and lowers the caliber of the instruction. It hurts the better stidents.
How do you know this to allegedly be true? And I thought the migration to the U.S. was made by your grandparents.The opportunities my parents and their siblings were given were available to black kids too
Yes, it means first generation to go to college. It is a relatively recent designation.I never even considered the fact that my siblings and I are first generation if that means the first generation to graduate from college? And I honestly don't remember being asked that question.
I don't have to look around DC although last time I was there the only people I saw outside pushing baby buggies were white women. I've been told that DC is going through an era of gentrification.Yes, it’s been made largely to their own effort, despite antisemitism. For some strange reason, you refuse to admit that success is in blacks’ own hands, and that with hard work, no children before marriage, no crime, no drugs, studying hard, and taking advantage of free educational programs, they too can rise to affluence.
Take a look around the DC suburbs, and the affluent blacks in upscale restaurants, buying fancy cars, and shopping in designer stores, and you’ll see many blacks aren’t the poor, oppressed victims of “racism”.
I keep asking the same question, and you have no answer: why have some blacks moved into the middle and upper-middle class, and others haven’t?
Because there were blacks in my parents’ colleges, taking advantage of the same opportunities.How do you know this to allegedly be true?
And I thought the migration to the U.S. was made by your grandparents.
You know how you get upset when you say you see too many Black people in T.V. commercials and too many Black people on the posters in the store windows at the mall. Were there "too many" black people enrolled in the same school as your grandparents or was the school predominantly white or Jewish? Or did they attend a Black school? Were there as many Black people in the school as there were in the population, percentage wise?Because there were blacks in my parents’ colleges, taking advantage of the same opportunities.
Because last you mentioned the topic, you said your parents and their siblings, I just wanted to verify that you actually meant your grandparents.Yes, my grandparents. What’s the confusion?
Well you don't seem to have a rudimentary grasp of the concept of "compare" and "contrast". Neither of you do...I bet I’m head and shoulders above you in intelligence, and I think Hechtor is as well.
