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The idea of throwing away one of the major foundation stones of human society because an extremely tiny group of people feels that they are more enlightened than 99% of humanity shows how extremely intolerant and parochial some so-called "enlightened" people can be.
How does the ability of gays to marry affect your marriage?
Does it diminish it in any way?
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
Well why don't we try to stick to reality here. That's never going to happen so it's a completely irrelevant point. I mean what if the oceans turned to jello? Come on man.
It is? Just because you don't have an answer doesn't diminish the meaning of the question.
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
I like that you cherry-picked my answer to try and show that I had no answer. I said, clearly, that I see no reason why multiple partner marriages should be illegal. Why should it?? Can you give me an answer that does not rely on religion or on the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition??
No cherry picking. but I like to way you ignored the last part of my post could it be you over looked it? Or could it be you can't refute it?
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
Multiple partners is an entirely different topic due to the issues surrounding the dissolving of the marriage. But I have no problem with multiple partners as long as all involved are consenting adults. I see no reason why thegov't should care either.
The key words in all of this is "consenting adults". Marriage is a social contract. Unless the persons involved are adults and mentally able to give informed consent, there is no possibility of any sort of contract.
I answered your questions. Now answer mine.
If marriage is nothing but a "social contract" then why don't we abolish marriage altogether? There is contract law in civil law, no need to have anything like marriage then is there?
Or could it be that marriage is just a little bit more significant in societal terms than you're letting on?
I think marriage is quite significant. That is why I am so adamant that gays be allowed to marry.
Those who try and reduce gay marriage to nothing more than sex are the ones who diminish the meaning of marriage.
The gov't sanctioning of marriage is, however, a social contract. I am not in favor of abolishing marriage. But I am in favor of removing teh gov't from the equation, along with the benefits granted.
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
Multiple partners is an entirely different topic due to the issues surrounding the dissolving of the marriage. But I have no problem with multiple partners as long as all involved are consenting adults. I see no reason why thegov't should care either.
The key words in all of this is "consenting adults". Marriage is a social contract. Unless the persons involved are adults and mentally able to give informed consent, there is no possibility of any sort of contract.
I answered your questions. Now answer mine.
Multiple partners is an entirely different topic due to the issues surrounding the dissolving of the marriage.
It is? Just because you don't have an answer doesn't diminish the meaning of the question.
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?Marriage is a social contract.
How does the ability of gays to marry affect your marriage?
Does it diminish it in any way?
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
I have no issues with polygamy if it is between consenting adults
Incest is illegal as is sex with a 10 year old
You still didn't answer the question. How does gay marriage diminish your own marriage?
The idea of throwing away one of the major foundation stones of human society because an extremely tiny group of people feels that they are more enlightened than 99% of humanity shows how extremely intolerant and parochial some so-called "enlightened" people can be.
How does the ability of gays to marry affect your marriage?
Does it diminish it in any way?
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
I have no issues with polygamy if it is between consenting adults
Incest is illegal as is sex with a 10 year old
You still didn't answer the question. How does gay marriage diminish your own marriage?
Marriage with several people is just as illegal as sex with a ten year old. Why do you feal one sort of legal restriction is permissible but another isn't?
I like that you cherry-picked my answer to try and show that I had no answer. I said, clearly, that I see no reason why multiple partner marriages should be illegal. Why should it?? Can you give me an answer that does not rely on religion or on the logical fallacy of appealing to tradition??
No cherry picking. but I like to way you ignored the last part of my post could it be you over looked it? Or could it be you can't refute it?
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
The "What if everybody turned gay?" part? I ignored it because it is absolutely ridiculous.
Do you actually think there is the remotest chance that allowing gays to marry will cause everyone to "turn gay"?? Is that even in the realm of possibility??
What if everyone suddenly became uninterested in sex at all?? What if everyone suddenly grew a third eye in the middle of their forehead? What if pigs started to fly? All of those are as likely as everyone turning gay.
What you are trying is a ridiculous scare tactic based on the idea that allowing gay marriage will increase the number of gays. It won't. Not allowing it also won't decrease the number of gays.
I have no issues with polygamy if it is between consenting adults
Incest is illegal as is sex with a 10 year old
You still didn't answer the question. How does gay marriage diminish your own marriage?
Marriage with several people is just as illegal as sex with a ten year old. Why do you feal one sort of legal restriction is permissible but another isn't?
What is the point of my answering questions if you refuse to read my answers??
CONSENTING ADULTS is, as I have pointed out numerous times, the key.
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
I have no issues with polygamy if it is between consenting adults
Incest is illegal as is sex with a 10 year old
You still didn't answer the question. How does gay marriage diminish your own marriage?
Marriage with several people is just as illegal as sex with a ten year old. Why do you feal one sort of legal restriction is permissible but another isn't?
If marriage is nothing but a "social contract" then why don't we abolish marriage altogether? There is contract law in civil law, no need to have anything like marriage then is there?
Or could it be that marriage is just a little bit more significant in societal terms than you're letting on?
I think marriage is quite significant. That is why I am so adamant that gays be allowed to marry.
Those who try and reduce gay marriage to nothing more than sex are the ones who diminish the meaning of marriage.
The gov't sanctioning of marriage is, however, a social contract. I am not in favor of abolishing marriage. But I am in favor of removing teh gov't from the equation, along with the benefits granted.
It is because it is so significant that I oppose undermining it in the name of the flavour of the day. Marriage, as a union between a man and a woman, is one of the cornerstones of our society. Compared to these sorts of fundamental norms, al recent (i.e. not more than a few hundred years old) written laws and constitutions are really pretty minor scraps of paper.
If indeed the government sanctioning of marriage is merely a social contract, than the solution is simple: abolish civil marriage and return to the tradition of marriage as a religious ceremony (personally I don't favour this).
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last? How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
Well why don't we try to stick to reality here. That's never going to happen so it's a completely irrelevant point. I mean what if the oceans turned to jello? Come on man.
People in America long ago once thought Marriage was between a man and a woman, now they are trying to make it man and man. Gay marriage was not in most peoples reality, but as time goes by it has become a reality. With that said society may just go that way in time. Not in my life time but it may just come.
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
Multiple partners is an entirely different topic due to the issues surrounding the dissolving of the marriage. But I have no problem with multiple partners as long as all involved are consenting adults. I see no reason why thegov't should care either.
The key words in all of this is "consenting adults". Marriage is a social contract. Unless the persons involved are adults and mentally able to give informed consent, there is no possibility of any sort of contract.
I answered your questions. Now answer mine.
Multiple partners is an entirely different topic due to the issues surrounding the dissolving of the marriage.
It is? Just because you don't have an answer doesn't diminish the meaning of the question.
What if everybody turned gay? How long to you think humanity would last?Marriage is a social contract.
What if everybody turned gay? <<SNIP>> How long do you think it would take the government to step in and make gay marriage illegal and out law it?
Marriage with several people is just as illegal as sex with a ten year old. Why do you feal one sort of legal restriction is permissible but another isn't?
What is the point of my answering questions if you refuse to read my answers??
CONSENTING ADULTS is, as I have pointed out numerous times, the key.
Well, you're talking to someone with constant wood, as he so politely informed me, so there's no blood flow to the brain.
I think marriage is quite significant. That is why I am so adamant that gays be allowed to marry.
Those who try and reduce gay marriage to nothing more than sex are the ones who diminish the meaning of marriage.
The gov't sanctioning of marriage is, however, a social contract. I am not in favor of abolishing marriage. But I am in favor of removing teh gov't from the equation, along with the benefits granted.
It is because it is so significant that I oppose undermining it in the name of the flavour of the day. Marriage, as a union between a man and a woman, is one of the cornerstones of our society. Compared to these sorts of fundamental norms, al recent (i.e. not more than a few hundred years old) written laws and constitutions are really pretty minor scraps of paper.
If indeed the government sanctioning of marriage is merely a social contract, than the solution is simple: abolish civil marriage and return to the tradition of marriage as a religious ceremony (personally I don't favour this).
Homosexuality has been around as long as we have recorded history. The fact that we have only recently stopped actively persecuting it does not make it the "flavor of the day".
These people are in dedicated, long term relationships. If you look at the people who get married when states wake up and allow it, the couples have often been together for decades. Flavor of the month? Before you call those couples that, try and look at the number of straight marriages that do not last a single year.
Richard Adrian Dorr first sang for John Mace at the Juilliard School of Music in 1948: a rendition of the show tune All the Things You Are, in which the singer elegantly explains all the wonderful things his lover is to him.
Mr. Mace knew the song intimately and he accompanied Mr. Dorr on piano, with no sheet music.
The song ends with the hope that, someday Ill know this moment divine, when all the things you are, are mine.
For Mr. Mace, who is 91, and Mr. Dorr, 83, that moment divine would come with a marriage in New York City where the couple has lived together for more than 60 years.
Our friends have told us, You two guys should get married in Massachusetts or Connecticut, but weve always been New Yorkers, and after 61 years of togetherness, we feel we have a right to be married in New York, Mr. Mace said recently inside the sprawling apartment on West End Avenue and 96th Street in Manhattan where the couple, both of whom are voice teachers, live and work.
How does the ability of gays to marry affect your marriage?
Does it diminish it in any way?
Why don't you allow Men and women to marry multiple partners? Or allow Man to marry their daughters? Or adults to marry 10 year olds?
Marriage is an institution that is more important than some day to day politics.
Ten year-olds can't give permission.
No normal, healthy male would want to marry his daughter - or vice versa.
Multiple partners, as I have stated numerous times? That's their fight.
This is my fight. If you can marry a woman, I should be able to marry a woman.
If I can marry a man, RW should be able to marry a man.
The law as it stands is denying roughly 10% of the population their right to marriage, and don't tell me marriage isn't a right, because fuck-all 90% of the country can marry their dearly beloved.
But my sister and her partner cannot.
And that is bullshit.
And none of you pansy ass straights have YET to answer - when did you choose to be straight. What gay experience did you have that made you CHOOSE straight?? Because if it's a choice, you must have made it.
Strap on a pair and answer me.
And none of you pansy ass straights have YET to answer - when did you choose to be straight. What gay experience did you have that made you CHOOSE straight?? Because if it's a choice, you must have made it.
Strap on a pair and answer me.
