A Reasonable Solution To The Gay Marriage Debate

[bobgnote]

How can you say that our society is doing fine when the government borrows 43 cents for every dollar that it spends. This is unsustainable and nobody seems to to think that this is a critical problem that will destroy us unless we reduce the size and cost of government.

Also, American universities are a HUGE part of our decline. They promote an agenda that is anti-american, anti-God and anti-family. Without God, family and country, our nation will cease to exist. American universities do MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

There is nothing new about yellow journalism, However today's American culture is no longer able to discern the truth from lies because they have lost their moral compass.

American universities may offer comparative religion courses. By the time smarter students get to university, the scam of 'god' or 'gods' and the fraudulent media of creationism and virgin birth and the rest have wormed their way into the minds of really stupid, dogmatic people, ruining law and science.

When you don't let evolution into schools, until the Russians launch Sputnik, religionists are a real problem. When you use the Constitution to prohibit alcohol media, to advance petroleum advantages, religionists are a problem.

No wonder equality is such a reach, for so many religion-affected persons, who have no idea why we would want to enforce the separation clause finally. Maybe then we get equality, and narcissists who won't move from gay marriage can access equality, with everyone else. Not any time soon, for dead as dead can be Jesus!

 

[WinterBorn]

You keep stating that we're in a great position, socially, that the changes we have undergone are an improvement.

Those are the changes we're talking about. So obviously you approve of them.

And at least you're finally acknowledging them now. I get so tired of you wackos just pretending that everything is peachy keen.Which of course tells me, and everybody else, that you like the changes.

As we all know you do.

Oh that is absolute bullshit.

But, if that is the way you want to look at it, then you must like domestic abuse, poverty, death from cancer, cureable diseases running rampant, segments of society being kept down, and the plethora of other problems that have been addressed by these changes.

No, I never said society was all peachy keen and without problems. You lied again. I simply pointed out that I do not see society in decline, and especially not due to gay marriage (which is what we are actually discussing in between your lies and strawman arguments).

You want it to be black & white. You want all the changes to be either good or bad. I am realistic enough to see there are problems with all change, but that change is inevitable. I don't scream about the decline in society unless there is actually a decline in society.

You claimed there were exponential increases in crime. There were several posts (with links) that showed relatively small increases, and plenty of decreases.

You claimed there were exponential increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STD, ect ect. And link showed different. (From no less an authority than the CDC)

 

[WinterBorn]

This is one of the fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives seek to "restore America". Liberals seek to "change America".

America is changing. It has always been changing. Change is inevitable.

And what are conservatives trying to restore America to? What are you trying to bring back?

I seek to restore the the basic values of God, family and country along with the spiritual values I mentioned above.

That is great. But when people decide they don't want God, don't blame the universities. Blame the greed, promotion of hatred, and control issues of the churches. That is what has turned people away.

Promoting families is great. A gay couple raising children is a family, whether you like it or not. Include that in your values and I'm more likely to believe you.

The values of country are kinda another issue. I love this country and what it has done over the 250 odd years it has been around. But I also despise some of the things it has done and has stood for. That is where we differ. You want to go back to unquestioning loyalty, whereas I prefer to see reality. I am proud of the good and ashamed of the bad.

 

[garyganu]

I think much of this has to do with where you look and the influence of the media and politicians.

I have seen great examples of love, selflessness, courage and sacrifice. Spend some time working with disastor relief or working in an area hit by a disastor and you will see it too. The problem is, the media doesn't report it. They'd rather spew garbage that keep us uncomfortable or afraid. And that is because reporting fearful things is self-serving.

I see that the value given to beauty, popularity, coolness, wealth,pride, power, thrill seeking and fame have always been with us. These are nothing new. But again, the media loves to portray what they want. It is self-serving.

I see more people communicating with more different people than ever before in the history of mankind. Anytime we have more communication there is the potential for conflict, but also the potential for great things.

I see that we have more people having access to a quality education than ever before in our history. We have more people with more access to better medical care than ever before in our history. We have more people following their dreams. We have more people free to change professions and careers. We have people who, just a few decades ago, saw only limited options now having virtually unlimited opportunities. We have music, literature and arts available to more people from more sources than ever in our history.

I see unrest being portrayed because the populations are no longer able to be controlled, as they were just a few decades ago. If that scares you I am sorry.

I see our society in a flux, as these new freedoms create new avenues for people that did not exist a short time ago. If that scares you I am sorry.




One of the basic points you need to consider is the influence of the media. You can rant about porno and glamor junk ruining us. But what ruins us is the acceptance of news slanted to an agenda. That is what destroys. That is what causes fear. And teh reaction to that fear is damaging.

Think about when you watch the news. If you are having a great day, life is good and you feel hopeful, do you rush to turn on CNN or Fox? No. But if there is a disastor you certainly do. You watch news when you are scared. News is no longer a service. News is big business. And how do they keep you watching? By keeping you afraid. Stop being afraid and you'll be much happier.

Gays marrying will not destroy anything. It is a minor issue at best, unless you are gay and in a situation where on of the benefits of being married would help.

Our society is doing fine. The economic downturn was not created by gays or diversity or any of the other things you fear. It was created by greed and by the people in charge being uninterested in what is best for people.

How can you say that our society is doing fine when the government borrows 43 cents for every dollar that it spends. This is unsustainable and nobody seems to to think that this is a critical problem that will destroy us unless we reduce the size and cost of government.

Now this is something we agree on. We probably disagree on the causes, but we agree it is unsustainable. Gov't spending must be cut. At the same time, the system of taxation inthis country must be changed.

Also, American universities are a HUGE part of our decline. They promote an agenda that is anti-american, anti-God and anti-family. Without God, family and country, our nation will cease to exist. American universities do MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

There is nothing new about yellow journalism, However today's American culture is no longer able to discern the truth from lies because they have lost their moral compass.

Universities do more harm than good? The level of technology and engineering that comes from university educated people has profoundly changed our world. But, because you think liberals threaten morality, they cause more harm than good?

Look at the treatment options and survival rates for thousands of diseases and types of cancers. Tens of thousands of people are alive and healthy because of these advances at universities and by university trained medical people. But they do more harm than good?

Nonsense.

God, Family and country are the foundation of our society. Without this foundation our society will collapse no matter how many engineers and doctors that we have. Hundreds of millions have perished during the 20th century due to centralized governments that destroyed the foundations of their society in China, Germany, Cambodia/vietNam, Russia, etc. The first things that the government destroyed was religion, family and the educated class.

 

[WinterBorn]

And PS...did you or did you not say our society was doing just fine, except for a *slight* economic downturn?

Yes I did. But that in no way infers any of the horrific crap you accused me of.

I see both good and bad in our society. But I see more growth, realization of potential and increases in quality of life for more people. I see that as good. I see more information and knowledge available for more people, and I think that is good.

Just because I do not see society in decline does not mean, in any way, that I see it as perfect or without problems.

 

[WinterBorn]

How can you say that our society is doing fine when the government borrows 43 cents for every dollar that it spends. This is unsustainable and nobody seems to to think that this is a critical problem that will destroy us unless we reduce the size and cost of government.

Now this is something we agree on. We probably disagree on the causes, but we agree it is unsustainable. Gov't spending must be cut. At the same time, the system of taxation inthis country must be changed.

Also, American universities are a HUGE part of our decline. They promote an agenda that is anti-american, anti-God and anti-family. Without God, family and country, our nation will cease to exist. American universities do MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

There is nothing new about yellow journalism, However today's American culture is no longer able to discern the truth from lies because they have lost their moral compass.

Universities do more harm than good? The level of technology and engineering that comes from university educated people has profoundly changed our world. But, because you think liberals threaten morality, they cause more harm than good?

Look at the treatment options and survival rates for thousands of diseases and types of cancers. Tens of thousands of people are alive and healthy because of these advances at universities and by university trained medical people. But they do more harm than good?

Nonsense.

God, Family and country are the foundation of our society. Without this foundation our society will collapse no matter how many engineers and doctors that we have. Hundred of millions have perished during the 20th century due to centralized governments that destroyed the foundations of their society in China, Germany, Cambodia/vietNam, Russia, etc. The first things that the government destroyed was religion, family and the educated class.

First of all, we have more educated people in this country than at any time in history.

Second, our gov't (liberal or conservative) is not trying to destroy God or the family. Just because there are attempts to include gays in marriage does not mean destruction.

 

[WinterBorn]

Because he believes a promiscuous, diseased, abusive society is an improvement over a functional, healthy one. This is the sort of society that accommodates depraved individuals, and that's why you'll find depraved individuals advocating for it, and pretending it's preferrable to the alternative.

Are you incapable of having a discussion without lies?

 

[garyganu]

America is changing. It has always been changing. Change is inevitable.

And what are conservatives trying to restore America to? What are you trying to bring back?

I seek to restore the the basic values of God, family and country along with the spiritual values I mentioned above.

That is great. But when people decide they don't want God, don't blame the universities. Blame the greed, promotion of hatred, and control issues of the churches. That is what has turned people away.

Promoting families is great. A gay couple raising children is a family, whether you like it or not. Include that in your values and I'm more likely to believe you.

The values of country are kinda another issue. I love this country and what it has done over the 250 odd years it has been around. But I also despise some of the things it has done and has stood for. That is where we differ. You want to go back to unquestioning loyalty, whereas I prefer to see reality. I am proud of the good and ashamed of the bad.

A very small percentage of gay men are interested in raising children. Bi-sexual women often raise children from previous broken marriages. The contribution of gay couples to raising families is negligible. Also, children benefit more from opposite-sex parents. man and women complement each other and keep each other in check. Gay unions are missing balance.

The universities are systematically destroying their student's faith in God. 80% of university students lose their faith in God before they graduate. It is very arrogant to teach kids that there is NO higher power. This defies reason and commonsense. It also leaves kids vulnerable to the belief that the government is their highest authority.

 

[BDBoop]

Because he believes a promiscuous, diseased, abusive society is an improvement over a functional, healthy one. This is the sort of society that accommodates depraved individuals, and that's why you'll find depraved individuals advocating for it, and pretending it's preferrable to the alternative.

Are you incapable of having a discussion without lies?

Yes. Which is why she is on ignore. She brings nothing to the table.

 

[garyganu]

Now this is something we agree on. We probably disagree on the causes, but we agree it is unsustainable. Gov't spending must be cut. At the same time, the system of taxation inthis country must be changed.



Universities do more harm than good? The level of technology and engineering that comes from university educated people has profoundly changed our world. But, because you think liberals threaten morality, they cause more harm than good?

Look at the treatment options and survival rates for thousands of diseases and types of cancers. Tens of thousands of people are alive and healthy because of these advances at universities and by university trained medical people. But they do more harm than good?

Nonsense.

God, Family and country are the foundation of our society. Without this foundation our society will collapse no matter how many engineers and doctors that we have. Hundred of millions have perished during the 20th century due to centralized governments that destroyed the foundations of their society in China, Germany, Cambodia/vietNam, Russia, etc. The first things that the government destroyed was religion, family and the educated class.

First of all, we have more educated people in this country than at any time in history.

Second, our gov't (liberal or conservative) is not trying to destroy God or the family. Just because there are attempts to include gays in marriage does not mean destruction.

The government is controlling the universities. Most universities' funding comes from the government (including private universities). The money comes through grants, student loans and scholarships. This makes universities beholden to the government. This government funding has led to the increase in tuition that surpasses even the increase in health-care costs. College tuition is the highest sector of inflation in America. This leads to many students having huge debt after graduation. They owe this money to the government. According to new laws that are part of the health care bill, all student loans must be made by government, not the banks. The students and the universities are beholden to government.

They teach the myth of man-made global warming. Grants are only given to scientists that support this idea who's ultimate goal is more government control.

They teach young women that it is a waste to be "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen". They teach them that career is more important than family.

They teach them that there is no God and that the government is the ultimate authority.

Just because more kids graduate high school and college does not mean that they are more educated. Most kids are promoted through the public school system regardless of their academic abilities. They use social promotions to protect their self esteem. Most of today's college freshen require courses in remedial reading.

Many college graduates are not much better. They are brainwashed to dismiss the virtues of God, Family and Country and they don't even know basic skills like crossing the street or balancing a checkbook.

 

[WinterBorn]

I seek to restore the the basic values of God, family and country along with the spiritual values I mentioned above.

That is great. But when people decide they don't want God, don't blame the universities. Blame the greed, promotion of hatred, and control issues of the churches. That is what has turned people away.

Promoting families is great. A gay couple raising children is a family, whether you like it or not. Include that in your values and I'm more likely to believe you.

The values of country are kinda another issue. I love this country and what it has done over the 250 odd years it has been around. But I also despise some of the things it has done and has stood for. That is where we differ. You want to go back to unquestioning loyalty, whereas I prefer to see reality. I am proud of the good and ashamed of the bad.

A very small percentage of gay men are interesting in raising children. Bi-sexual women often raise children from previous marriages. The contribution of gay couples to raising families is negligible. Also, children benefit more from opposite-sex parents. man and women complement each other and keep each other in check. Gay unions are missing balance.

The universities are systematically destroying their student's faith in God. 80% of university students lose their faith in God before they graduate. It is very arrogant to teach kids that there is NO higher power. This defies reason and commonsense. It also leaves kids vulnerable to the belief that the government is their highest authority.

Do you have a source for your belief that only a small percentage of gay men are interested i raising children? Or are you simply basing this on what you know of the stereotyped gay man?

Many women who are gay hide it. That does not mean they are bisexual. Simply that they are under great social pressures.


Universities do not set out to destroy faith in God. If learning causes these young adults to question things, then so be it. Unquestioned faith is worthless.

Universities have the task of educating people. That these people find themselves confronted with idea that they were never exposed to may cause some issues with their faith. That the facts they learn may cause some issues in their faith is not the fault of the universities.

I think you are mistakenly looking at the fact that so many young people lose their faith while in college and assuming the university is at fault.

 

[garyganu]

That is great. But when people decide they don't want God, don't blame the universities. Blame the greed, promotion of hatred, and control issues of the churches. That is what has turned people away.

Promoting families is great. A gay couple raising children is a family, whether you like it or not. Include that in your values and I'm more likely to believe you.

The values of country are kinda another issue. I love this country and what it has done over the 250 odd years it has been around. But I also despise some of the things it has done and has stood for. That is where we differ. You want to go back to unquestioning loyalty, whereas I prefer to see reality. I am proud of the good and ashamed of the bad.

A very small percentage of gay men are interesting in raising children. Bi-sexual women often raise children from previous marriages. The contribution of gay couples to raising families is negligible. Also, children benefit more from opposite-sex parents. man and women complement each other and keep each other in check. Gay unions are missing balance.

The universities are systematically destroying their student's faith in God. 80% of university students lose their faith in God before they graduate. It is very arrogant to teach kids that there is NO higher power. This defies reason and commonsense. It also leaves kids vulnerable to the belief that the government is their highest authority.

Do you have a source for your belief that only a small percentage of gay men are interested i raising children? Or are you simply basing this on what you know of the stereotyped gay man?

Many women who are gay hide it. That does not mean they are bisexual. Simply that they are under great social pressures.


Universities do not set out to destroy faith in God. If learning causes these young adults to question things, then so be it. Unquestioned faith is worthless.

Universities have the task of educating people. That these people find themselves confronted with idea that they were never exposed to may cause some issues with their faith. That the facts they learn may cause some issues in their faith is not the fault of the universities.

I think you are mistakenly looking at the fact that so many young people lose their faith while in college and assuming the university is at fault.

My source about gay men raising children is: reason, commonsense and my personal experience.

Colleges actively promote the liberal agenda. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

 

[wjmacguffin]

My source about gay men raising children is: reason, commonsense and my personal experience.

Translation: I have no facts to back up my claim but I can't admit that.

Colleges actively promote the liberal agenda. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

Anyone who teaches something I don't agree with politically is morally wrong.

 

[WinterBorn]

A very small percentage of gay men are interesting in raising children. Bi-sexual women often raise children from previous marriages. The contribution of gay couples to raising families is negligible. Also, children benefit more from opposite-sex parents. man and women complement each other and keep each other in check. Gay unions are missing balance.

The universities are systematically destroying their student's faith in God. 80% of university students lose their faith in God before they graduate. It is very arrogant to teach kids that there is NO higher power. This defies reason and commonsense. It also leaves kids vulnerable to the belief that the government is their highest authority.

Do you have a source for your belief that only a small percentage of gay men are interested i raising children? Or are you simply basing this on what you know of the stereotyped gay man?

Many women who are gay hide it. That does not mean they are bisexual. Simply that they are under great social pressures.


Universities do not set out to destroy faith in God. If learning causes these young adults to question things, then so be it. Unquestioned faith is worthless.

Universities have the task of educating people. That these people find themselves confronted with idea that they were never exposed to may cause some issues with their faith. That the facts they learn may cause some issues in their faith is not the fault of the universities.

I think you are mistakenly looking at the fact that so many young people lose their faith while in college and assuming the university is at fault.

My source about gay men raising children is: reason, commonsense and my personal experience.

Colleges actively promote the liberal agenda. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

Do you have any examples of these liberal agendas? I went to college and spent most of my time going to class, studying and partying. I think the overwhelming majority of students do the same.

Now, if a given professor speaks his mind on an issue, that is his right. Unless you would choose to revoke the 1st Amendment for all college professors.

As for the source on gay men, that would be supremely limited and therefore not something we use to base laws on.

 

[garyganu]

Do you have a source for your belief that only a small percentage of gay men are interested i raising children? Or are you simply basing this on what you know of the stereotyped gay man?

Many women who are gay hide it. That does not mean they are bisexual. Simply that they are under great social pressures.


Universities do not set out to destroy faith in God. If learning causes these young adults to question things, then so be it. Unquestioned faith is worthless.

Universities have the task of educating people. That these people find themselves confronted with idea that they were never exposed to may cause some issues with their faith. That the facts they learn may cause some issues in their faith is not the fault of the universities.

I think you are mistakenly looking at the fact that so many young people lose their faith while in college and assuming the university is at fault.

My source about gay men raising children is: reason, commonsense and my personal experience.

Colleges actively promote the liberal agenda. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

Do you have any examples of these liberal agendas? I went to college and spent most of my time going to class, studying and partying. I think the overwhelming majority of students do the same.

Now, if a given professor speaks his mind on an issue, that is his right. Unless you would choose to revoke the 1st Amendment for all college professors.

As for the source on gay men, that would be supremely limited and therefore not something we use to base laws on.

I disagree, I think that we MUST base our laws on reason, commonsense and experience.

There is overwhelming evidence of the liberal agenda in today's universities and in the media. This is a topic for whole new thread.

 

[WinterBorn]

My source about gay men raising children is: reason, commonsense and my personal experience.

Colleges actively promote the liberal agenda. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

Do you have any examples of these liberal agendas? I went to college and spent most of my time going to class, studying and partying. I think the overwhelming majority of students do the same.

Now, if a given professor speaks his mind on an issue, that is his right. Unless you would choose to revoke the 1st Amendment for all college professors.

As for the source on gay men, that would be supremely limited and therefore not something we use to base laws on.

I disagree, I think that we MUST base our laws on reason, commonsense and experience.

There is overwhelming evidence of the liberal agenda in today's universities and in the media. This is a topic for whole new thread.

If we base our laws on reason I am fine. But who's experience? Yours?

Why not find out the truth about what gay men want or are interested in? Why not skip the prejudices involved in personal experiences and get actual information based on facts. Because I can pretty much guarantee you have had contact with gay men that you are totally unaware are gay. So even your own limited experience is not based on all the facts.

 

[koshergrl]

You keep stating that we're in a great position, socially, that the changes we have undergone are an improvement.

Those are the changes we're talking about. So obviously you approve of them.

And at least you're finally acknowledging them now. I get so tired of you wackos just pretending that everything is peachy keen.Which of course tells me, and everybody else, that you like the changes.

As we all know you do.

Oh that is absolute bullshit.

But, if that is the way you want to look at it, then you must like domestic abuse, poverty, death from cancer, cureable diseases running rampant, segments of society being kept down, and the plethora of other problems that have been addressed by these changes.

No, I never said society was all peachy keen and without problems. You lied again. I simply pointed out that I do not see society in decline, and especially not due to gay marriage (which is what we are actually discussing in between your lies and strawman arguments).

You want it to be black & white. You want all the changes to be either good or bad. I am realistic enough to see there are problems with all change, but that change is inevitable. I don't scream about the decline in society unless there is actually a decline in society.

You claimed there were exponential increases in crime. There were several posts (with links) that showed relatively small increases, and plenty of decreases.

You claimed there were exponential increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STD, ect ect. And link showed different. (From no less an authority than the CDC)

And you're lying.

The CDC shows EXPONDENTIAL increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STDS and murder since the advent of the "sexual revolution".

You dishonest pieces of shit keep pretending the slight decrease in the last 10 years negates the fact that for 40 years prior to that, the rates of abortion, child murder, child abuse, divorce, teen pregnancy, and STDs climbed steadily. The last 10 years decrease doesn't represent overall decreases at all.

 

[WinterBorn]

You keep stating that we're in a great position, socially, that the changes we have undergone are an improvement.

Those are the changes we're talking about. So obviously you approve of them.

And at least you're finally acknowledging them now. I get so tired of you wackos just pretending that everything is peachy keen.Which of course tells me, and everybody else, that you like the changes.

As we all know you do.

Oh that is absolute bullshit.

But, if that is the way you want to look at it, then you must like domestic abuse, poverty, death from cancer, cureable diseases running rampant, segments of society being kept down, and the plethora of other problems that have been addressed by these changes.

No, I never said society was all peachy keen and without problems. You lied again. I simply pointed out that I do not see society in decline, and especially not due to gay marriage (which is what we are actually discussing in between your lies and strawman arguments).

You want it to be black & white. You want all the changes to be either good or bad. I am realistic enough to see there are problems with all change, but that change is inevitable. I don't scream about the decline in society unless there is actually a decline in society.

You claimed there were exponential increases in crime. There were several posts (with links) that showed relatively small increases, and plenty of decreases.

You claimed there were exponential increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STD, ect ect. And link showed different. (From no less an authority than the CDC)

And you're lying.

The CDC shows EXPONDENTIAL increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STDS and murder since the advent of the "sexual revolution".

You dishonest pieces of shit keep pretending the slight decrease in the last 10 years negates the fact that for 40 years prior to that, the rates of abortion, child murder, child abuse, divorce, teen pregnancy, and STDs climbed steadily. The last 10 years decrease doesn't represent overall decreases at all.

Since we are discussing gay marriage, and that gays being out is a relatively recent occurance, no one looked at the last 40 years. 30 years ago people were still being fired from jobs, beaten up and losing custody of children simply for their sexual orientation.

I also notice you did not back down or apologize for accusing me of being in favor of child abuse or child molestation?

 

[Gadawg73]

I disagree. I think that you can not separate social and economic issues. Spiritual decline leads to economic decline and a decline in the ability to protect ourselves as a society and a world power.

Earlier you claimed yours was not a religous argument.

Spiritual principles are universal. They include, the right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

I see less value given to universal spiritual principles including love, selflessness, honesty, integrity, humility, patience, courage, sacrifice, compassion, forgiveness, acceptance, self-discipline, open-mindedness, perseverance and gratitude to God. At the same time I see more value given to popularity, beauty, coolness, sexuality, wealth, pride, diversity ( as a virtue, in and of itself), fame, power, thrill seeking, phony self esteem and the hatred toward God.

The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness do not have a damn thing to do with your la de la da "spiritual principles".
Americans enjoy them because OF THE LAW and the blood spilled in protection of them.
Nothing spiritual whatsoever.

 

[Gadawg73]

You keep stating that we're in a great position, socially, that the changes we have undergone are an improvement.

Those are the changes we're talking about. So obviously you approve of them.

And at least you're finally acknowledging them now. I get so tired of you wackos just pretending that everything is peachy keen.Which of course tells me, and everybody else, that you like the changes.

As we all know you do.

Oh that is absolute bullshit.

But, if that is the way you want to look at it, then you must like domestic abuse, poverty, death from cancer, cureable diseases running rampant, segments of society being kept down, and the plethora of other problems that have been addressed by these changes.

No, I never said society was all peachy keen and without problems. You lied again. I simply pointed out that I do not see society in decline, and especially not due to gay marriage (which is what we are actually discussing in between your lies and strawman arguments).

You want it to be black & white. You want all the changes to be either good or bad. I am realistic enough to see there are problems with all change, but that change is inevitable. I don't scream about the decline in society unless there is actually a decline in society.

You claimed there were exponential increases in crime. There were several posts (with links) that showed relatively small increases, and plenty of decreases.

You claimed there were exponential increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STD, ect ect. And link showed different. (From no less an authority than the CDC)

And you're lying.

The CDC shows EXPONDENTIAL increases in teen pregnancy, abortion, STDS and murder since the advent of the "sexual revolution".

You dishonest pieces of shit keep pretending the slight decrease in the last 10 years negates the fact that for 40 years prior to that, the rates of abortion, child murder, child abuse, divorce, teen pregnancy, and STDs climbed steadily. The last 10 years decrease doesn't represent overall decreases at all.

So sex causes folk to murder.