Abortion rate at lowest level since Roe V Wade

[bodecea]

No, not Downs. Babies with no hope for quality of life, or a brief life of severe suffering. Vegetables and babies with no hope. You got a funny God.

He's not laughing at His creations being murdered

what about when he does it? Do you think he feels guilty?

When does He do it?

wrath of god? Babies having life threatening diseases?

God is God and he has His reasons for what He does, they say you should never question God but I have.

When God does something at times we don't understand why but I remember long ago my grandmother telling me everything is for a reason, maybe to test our faith, but there is a reason.

"He"?

 

[Eaglewings]

Please cite evidence that abortion cures ANYTHING except ectopic pregnancy, you moron.

Who is the moron who thinks she is a medical doctor...? Dumb Ass, try looking it up ... Pregnancy always carries a risk.


Severe Maternal Morbidity Indicators and Corresponding ICD-9-CM Codes
Severe Maternal Morbidity Indicator
ICD-9-CM Codes
ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code
ICD-9-CM Procedure Code
1. Acute myocardial infarction 410.xx x
2. Acute renal failure 584.x, 669.3x x
3. Adult respiratory distress syndrome 518.5, 518.81, 518.82, 518.84,799.1 x
4. Amniotic fluid embolism 673.1x x
5. Aneurysm 441.xx x
6. Cardiac arrest/ventricular fibrillation 427.41, 427.42, 427.5 x
7. Disseminated intravascular coagulation 286.6, 286.9, 666.3x x
8. Eclampsia 642.6x x
9. Heart failure during procedure or surgery 669.4x, 997.1 x
10. Internal injuries of thorax, abdomen, and pelvis 860.xx—869.xx x
11. Intracranial injuries 800.xx, 801.xx, 803.xx, 804.xx, 851.xx-854.xx x
12. Puerperal cerebrovascular disorders 430, 431, 432.x, 433.xx, 434.xx, 436, 437.x, 671.5x, 674.0x, 997.2, 999.2 x
13. Pulmonary edema 428.1, 518.4 x
14. Severe anesthesia complications 668.0x, 668.1x, 668.2x x
15. Sepsis 038.xx, 995.91, 995.92 x
16. Shock 669.1x, 785.5x, 995.0, 995.4, 998.0 x
17. Sickle cell anemia with crisis 282.62, 282.64, 282.69 x
18. Thrombotic embolism 415.1x, 673.0x, 673.2x, 673.3x, 673.8x x
19. Blood transfusion 99.0x x
20. Cardio monitoring 89.6x x
21. Conversion of cardiac rhythm 99.6x x
22. Hysterectomy 68.3x-68.9 x
23. Operations on heart and pericardium 35.xx, 36.xx, 37.xx, 39.xx x
24. Temporary tracheostomy 31.1 x
25. Ventilation 93.90, 96.01-96.05, 96.7x x
Note: ICD-9-CM, International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, Clinical Modification



Traumatic Injury

Trauma is the most common cause of nonobstetric death among pregnant women in the United States. Motor vehicle crashes, domestic violence, and falls are the most common causes of blunt trauma during pregnancy. All pregnant patients with traumatic injury should be assessed formally in a medical setting because placental abruption can have dire fetal consequences and can present with few or no symptoms. Evaluation and treatment are the same as for nonpregnant patients, except that the uterus should be shifted off the great vessels. After initial stabilization, management includes electronic fetal monitoring, ultrasonography, and laboratory studies. Electronic fetal monitoring currently is the most accurate measure of fetal status after trauma, although the optimal duration of monitoring has not been established.
Trauma affects 6 to 7 percent of pregnancies in the United States and is the leading cause of nonobstetric maternal death.1–4 A reported 0.3 percent of pregnant women require hospital admission because of trauma.4 Motor vehicle crashes, domestic violence, and falls are the most common causes of blunt trauma in pregnancy.1,3–13

Amniotic fluid embolism (AFE) is a life threatening obstetric emergency characterized by sudden cardiorespiratory collapse and disseminated intravascular coagulation.

AFE occurs in 2-8 per 100,000 deliveries and is responsible for between 7.5% to 10% of maternal mortality in the United States. [1]

Types of cancers that occur during pregnancy
The cancers that tend to occur during pregnancy are also more common in younger people. These cancers include:

• Cervical cancer
  
  
• Breast cancer
  
  
• Thyroid cancer
  
  
• Hodgkin lymphoma
  
  
• Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
  
  
• Melanoma
  
  
• Gestational trophoblastic tumor

Breast cancer is the most common cancer diagnosed during pregnancy. It affects about 1 in 3,000 women who are pregnant. Because breasts typically enlarge and change texture during pregnancy, changes from cancer may be difficult to detect. Or they may not appear to be abnormal. As a result, pregnant women with breast cancer may be diagnosed later than non-pregnant women.


Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."

Some of the risk factors for stroke in pregnancy are the same as the general public – older age, obesity, migraines, smoking, and heart disease. But some risk factors are specific to pregnancy. They include gestational diabetes, gestational hypertension (high blood pressure), and increased bleeding after giving birth.May 19, 2015

Abstract
Ischemic stroke during pregnancy and puerperium represents a rare occurrence but it could be a serious and stressful event for mothers, infants, and also families. Whenever it does occur, many concerns arise about the safety of the mother and the fetus in relation to common diagnostic tests and therapies leading to a more conservative approach. The physiological adaptations in the cardiovascular system and in the coagulability that accompany the pregnant state, which are more significant around delivery and in the postpartum period, likely contribute to increasing the risk of an ischemic stroke. Most of the causes of an ischemic stroke in the young may also occur in pregnant patients. Despite this, there are specific conditions related to pregnancy which may be considered when assessing this particular group of patients such as pre-eclampsia-eclampsia, choriocarcinoma, peripartum cardiomiopathy, amniotic fluid embolization, and postpartum cerebral angiopathy. This article will consider several questions related to pregnancy-associated ischemic stroke, dwelling on epidemiological and specific etiological aspects, diagnostic issue concerning the use of neuroimaging, and the related potential risks to the embryo and fetus. Therapeutic issues surrounding the use of anticoagulant and antiplatelets agents will be discussed along with the few available reports regarding the use of thrombolytic therapy during pregnancy.

Conditions that might lead to ending a pregnancy to save a woman's life include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia, a condition in which a woman develops very high blood pressure and is at risk for stroke, says Erika Levi, a obstetrician and gynecologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Heart Attacks

• Women who were most likely to die from pregnancy-related heart disease were African-American, obese or had documented substance abuse during pregnancy.
• Nearly one-fourth of the women who died of cardiac causes had been diagnosed with high blood pressure during their pregnancies.

In about two-thirds of the deaths, the diagnosis was either incorrect or delayed, or providers had given ineffective or inappropriate treatments, researchers said. One third of the patients who died had delayed or failed to seek care, 10 percent refused medical advice and 27 percent did not recognize their symptoms as cardiovascular.

Blood Clots (Pulmonary embolism, PE or Deep Vein Thrombosis, DVT)
Blood clots in the legs or lungs (also known as thromboembolic conditions) are a leading cause of illness associated with pregnancy and birth and can be life-threatening. Blood clots form in one of the blood vessels, usually the legs (deep vein thrombosis or DVT) and can break away, causing a blockage elsewhere, for example in the lungs (pulmonary embolism or PE – a blood clot in the main artery of the lung).

Sepsis
Sepsis is an infection that can develop before or after the baby has been delivered. Infections can be more severe in pregnancy, and after delivery women may be at particular risk of infection of the womb or birth canal (genital tract infections). It used to be known as puerperal sepsis, or childbed fever, and was a leading cause of maternal deaths. Septicaemia is where the infection spreads into the blood stream. These infections can develop very quickly, or take several days or weeks to build up. Women need to be treated with antibiotics and, in some cases, may need to be admitted to an intensive care unit.

Amniotic Fluid Embolism
Amniotic fluid is the liquid in which the baby floats in the womb. Amniotic fluid embolism is a very rare complication of pregnancy in which amniotic fluid, fetal skin or other cells enter the woman’s blood stream and trigger an allergic reaction. Women with this condition may collapse suddenly during the birth of their baby and it often results in the death of the mother.

Sonographic findings and clinical outcomes in women with massive subchorionic hematoma detected in the second trimester.

Gestational Diabetes Mellitus (GDM)
GDM is diagnosed during pregnancy and can lead to pregnancy complications. GDM is when the body cannot effectively process sugars and starches (carbohydrates), leading to high sugar levels in the blood stream. Most women with GDM can control their blood sugar levels by a following a healthy meal plan from their health care provider and getting regular physical activity. Some women also need insulin to keep blood sugar levels under control. Doing so is important because poorly controlled diabetes increases the risk of—

• 
  
  
  • Preeclampsia.
  • Early delivery.

What is a life threatening complication in pregnancy and childbirth? | Topics, Conditions that threaten women’s lives in childbirth & pregnancy, Pregnancy & children, People's Experiences | healthtalk.org

Heart Disease Cause of Pregnancy-Related Deaths — Go Red For Women

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/srt/2011/606780/

 

[sartre play]

Abortion is down because we have better birth control.

 

[koshergrl]

Please cite evidence that abortion cures ANYTHING except ectopic pregnancy, you moron.

Who is the moron who thinks she is a medical doctor...? Dumb Ass, try looking it up ... Pregnancy always carries a risk.


Severe Maternal Morbidity Indicators and Corresponding ICD-9-CM Codes
Severe Maternal Morbidity Indicator
ICD-9-CM Codes
ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code
ICD-9-CM Procedure Code
1. Acute myocardial infarction 410.xx x
2. Acute renal failure 584.x, 669.3x x
3. Adult respiratory distress syndrome 518.5, 518.81, 518.82, 518.84,799.1 x
4. Amniotic fluid embolism 673.1x x
5. Aneurysm 441.xx x
6. Cardiac arrest/ventricular fibrillation 427.41, 427.42, 427.5 x
7. Disseminated intravascular coagulation 286.6, 286.9, 666.3x x
8. Eclampsia 642.6x x
9. Heart failure during procedure or surgery 669.4x, 997.1 x
10. Internal injuries of thorax, abdomen, and pelvis 860.xx—869.xx x
11. Intracranial injuries 800.xx, 801.xx, 803.xx, 804.xx, 851.xx-854.xx x
12. Puerperal cerebrovascular disorders 430, 431, 432.x, 433.xx, 434.xx, 436, 437.x, 671.5x, 674.0x, 997.2, 999.2 x
13. Pulmonary edema 428.1, 518.4 x
14. Severe anesthesia complications 668.0x, 668.1x, 668.2x x
15. Sepsis 038.xx, 995.91, 995.92 x
16. Shock 669.1x, 785.5x, 995.0, 995.4, 998.0 x
17. Sickle cell anemia with crisis 282.62, 282.64, 282.69 x
18. Thrombotic embolism 415.1x, 673.0x, 673.2x, 673.3x, 673.8x x
19. Blood transfusion 99.0x x
20. Cardio monitoring 89.6x x
21. Conversion of cardiac rhythm 99.6x x
22. Hysterectomy 68.3x-68.9 x
23. Operations on heart and pericardium 35.xx, 36.xx, 37.xx, 39.xx x
24. Temporary tracheostomy 31.1 x
25. Ventilation 93.90, 96.01-96.05, 96.7x x
Note: ICD-9-CM, International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, Clinical Modification



Traumatic Injury

Trauma is the most common cause of nonobstetric death among pregnant women in the United States. Motor vehicle crashes, domestic violence, and falls are the most common causes of blunt trauma during pregnancy. All pregnant patients with traumatic injury should be assessed formally in a medical setting because placental abruption can have dire fetal consequences and can present with few or no symptoms. Evaluation and treatment are the same as for nonpregnant patients, except that the uterus should be shifted off the great vessels. After initial stabilization, management includes electronic fetal monitoring, ultrasonography, and laboratory studies. Electronic fetal monitoring currently is the most accurate measure of fetal status after trauma, although the optimal duration of monitoring has not been established.
Trauma affects 6 to 7 percent of pregnancies in the United States and is the leading cause of nonobstetric maternal death.1–4 A reported 0.3 percent of pregnant women require hospital admission because of trauma.4 Motor vehicle crashes, domestic violence, and falls are the most common causes of blunt trauma in pregnancy.1,3–13

Amniotic fluid embolism (AFE) is a life threatening obstetric emergency characterized by sudden cardiorespiratory collapse and disseminated intravascular coagulation.

AFE occurs in 2-8 per 100,000 deliveries and is responsible for between 7.5% to 10% of maternal mortality in the United States. [1]

Types of cancers that occur during pregnancy
The cancers that tend to occur during pregnancy are also more common in younger people. These cancers include:

• Cervical cancer
  
  
• Breast cancer
  
  
• Thyroid cancer
  
  
• Hodgkin lymphoma
  
  
• Non-Hodgkin lymphoma
  
  
• Melanoma
  
  
• Gestational trophoblastic tumor

Breast cancer is the most common cancer diagnosed during pregnancy. It affects about 1 in 3,000 women who are pregnant. Because breasts typically enlarge and change texture during pregnancy, changes from cancer may be difficult to detect. Or they may not appear to be abnormal. As a result, pregnant women with breast cancer may be diagnosed later than non-pregnant women.


Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."

Some of the risk factors for stroke in pregnancy are the same as the general public – older age, obesity, migraines, smoking, and heart disease. But some risk factors are specific to pregnancy. They include gestational diabetes, gestational hypertension (high blood pressure), and increased bleeding after giving birth.May 19, 2015

Abstract
Ischemic stroke during pregnancy and puerperium represents a rare occurrence but it could be a serious and stressful event for mothers, infants, and also families. Whenever it does occur, many concerns arise about the safety of the mother and the fetus in relation to common diagnostic tests and therapies leading to a more conservative approach. The physiological adaptations in the cardiovascular system and in the coagulability that accompany the pregnant state, which are more significant around delivery and in the postpartum period, likely contribute to increasing the risk of an ischemic stroke. Most of the causes of an ischemic stroke in the young may also occur in pregnant patients. Despite this, there are specific conditions related to pregnancy which may be considered when assessing this particular group of patients such as pre-eclampsia-eclampsia, choriocarcinoma, peripartum cardiomiopathy, amniotic fluid embolization, and postpartum cerebral angiopathy. This article will consider several questions related to pregnancy-associated ischemic stroke, dwelling on epidemiological and specific etiological aspects, diagnostic issue concerning the use of neuroimaging, and the related potential risks to the embryo and fetus. Therapeutic issues surrounding the use of anticoagulant and antiplatelets agents will be discussed along with the few available reports regarding the use of thrombolytic therapy during pregnancy.

Conditions that might lead to ending a pregnancy to save a woman's life include severe infections, heart failure and severe cases of preeclampsia, a condition in which a woman develops very high blood pressure and is at risk for stroke, says Erika Levi, a obstetrician and gynecologist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Heart Attacks

• Women who were most likely to die from pregnancy-related heart disease were African-American, obese or had documented substance abuse during pregnancy.
• Nearly one-fourth of the women who died of cardiac causes had been diagnosed with high blood pressure during their pregnancies.

In about two-thirds of the deaths, the diagnosis was either incorrect or delayed, or providers had given ineffective or inappropriate treatments, researchers said. One third of the patients who died had delayed or failed to seek care, 10 percent refused medical advice and 27 percent did not recognize their symptoms as cardiovascular.

Blood Clots (Pulmonary embolism, PE or Deep Vein Thrombosis, DVT)
Blood clots in the legs or lungs (also known as thromboembolic conditions) are a leading cause of illness associated with pregnancy and birth and can be life-threatening. Blood clots form in one of the blood vessels, usually the legs (deep vein thrombosis or DVT) and can break away, causing a blockage elsewhere, for example in the lungs (pulmonary embolism or PE – a blood clot in the main artery of the lung).

Sepsis
Sepsis is an infection that can develop before or after the baby has been delivered. Infections can be more severe in pregnancy, and after delivery women may be at particular risk of infection of the womb or birth canal (genital tract infections). It used to be known as puerperal sepsis, or childbed fever, and was a leading cause of maternal deaths. Septicaemia is where the infection spreads into the blood stream. These infections can develop very quickly, or take several days or weeks to build up. Women need to be treated with antibiotics and, in some cases, may need to be admitted to an intensive care unit.

Amniotic Fluid Embolism
Amniotic fluid is the liquid in which the baby floats in the womb. Amniotic fluid embolism is a very rare complication of pregnancy in which amniotic fluid, fetal skin or other cells enter the woman’s blood stream and trigger an allergic reaction. Women with this condition may collapse suddenly during the birth of their baby and it often results in the death of the mother.

Sonographic findings and clinical outcomes in women with massive subchorionic hematoma detected in the second trimester.

Gestational Diabetes Mellitus (GDM)
GDM is diagnosed during pregnancy and can lead to pregnancy complications. GDM is when the body cannot effectively process sugars and starches (carbohydrates), leading to high sugar levels in the blood stream. Most women with GDM can control their blood sugar levels by a following a healthy meal plan from their health care provider and getting regular physical activity. Some women also need insulin to keep blood sugar levels under control. Doing so is important because poorly controlled diabetes increases the risk of—

• 
  
  
  • Preeclampsia.
  • Early delivery.

What is a life threatening complication in pregnancy and childbirth? | Topics, Conditions that threaten women’s lives in childbirth & pregnancy, Pregnancy & children, People's Experiences | healthtalk.org

Heart Disease Cause of Pregnancy-Related Deaths — Go Red For Women

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/srt/2011/606780/

Where does itvsay that abortion cures, or is a treatment for, any of those?

Oh yeah. It doesn't.

That makes you a retard.

 

[there4eyeM]

Life began a very long time ago and is a continuum; it isn't something that begins because a sperm enters an egg. Because a large number of people have a ridiculously childish concept of 'God' and want to enforce it on others, we have many social 'problems' that would disappear with the arrival of some enlightenment.

 

[Dragonlady]

The sad thing is, there are a lot who would view that with alarm.

No there aren't. Pro-choice people want women to have the right to choose, access to birth control and sex education.

Now that the ACA is being repealed, that rate is likely to rise again. Which is sad.

 

[owebo]

Life began a very long time ago and is a continuum; it isn't something that begins because a sperm enters an egg. Because a large number of people have a ridiculously childish concept of 'God' and want to enforce it on others, we have many social 'problems' that would disappear with the arrival of some enlightenment.

Why are you trying to force your views of God on us?

 

[owebo]

The sad thing is, there are a lot who would view that with alarm.

No there aren't. Pro-choice people want women to have the right to choose, access to birth control and sex education.

Now that the ACA is being repealed, that rate is likely to rise again. Which is sad.

You seem alarmed.....sad....

 

[OldLady]

There are a lot of tragedies in this world. If God loves some of these little ones, He has a funny way of showing it.

You mean like how before they are even born they have downs syndrome or some other unfortunate disease? Well, that's gods plan and just the way it is!

No, not Downs. Babies with no hope for quality of life, or a brief life of severe suffering. Vegetables and babies with no hope. You got a funny God.

I don't have a god.
Maybe today, but yesteryears, down syndrome babies wouldn't have a quality of life.

I minored in special ed, I lived and worked with downs adults (what a hoot) in a community residence for a year and a half. I'm not talking about kids with handicaps like that. In Children's Services, you see some of the goddamned awfullest tricks that mother nature can play and babies born with no brain and babies born with diseases that will kill them before their first birthday and require all kinds of painful frightening hospitalizations just to get them that far. IT SUCKS to see kids suffer. That extends to children who are born into miserable defeating circumstances when they are unwanted and are also going to suffer. I don't like it.

IDK I would support a mother wanting to abort a down syndrome baby. Her life will be ruined. There is a possibility the kid wont have a chance. If they are poor, it comes out of my pocket.. IDK

That makes me sad. People with Downs are just people, TN, as are the other people with mental handicaps. Those kids get all kinds of early intervention these days and do much better than they did in the days of your grandparents. No more throwing them into institutions to rot because their parents are embarrassed by them. I don't think you'll find too many mothers who would say their Downs child ruined their lives. Far from it.

 

[there4eyeM]

With all the choice made possible by progress, why would anyone want to put a child into a world where it would suffer from inability to adapt and provide for itself?

 

[owebo]

With all the choice made possible by progress, why would anyone want to put a child into a world where it would suffer from inability to adapt and provide for itself?

What the fuck business is it of yours what the baby wants?

 

[there4eyeM]

With the nearly universal, perverse exploitation of humans with just a below average i. q., the misery inflicted on the even more defenseless makes life a dubious blessing.

 

[OldLady]

I just finished reading The Giver with a student. It's a dystopian novel for young people and it came out long after I had left school, so I never read it before. I kept scratching my head the whole way through wondering who exactly the boogeyman was that the author was warning about--and participating in this thread yesterday afternoon, I realized the boogeyman was ME.
I get it that abortion and euthanasia place our feet at the top of a slippery slope that can lead to horrendous outcomes if not strictly reigned. All because of well intentioned people's wish to end suffering. Even in this thread, some people are taking it and running with it to a place I never intended.
Interesting ideas. Very troubling, as well.

 

[TNHarley]

I just finished reading The Giver with a student. It's a dystopian novel for young people and it came out long after I had left school, so I never read it before. I kept scratching my head the whole way through wondering who exactly the boogeyman was that the author was warning about--and participating in this thread yesterday afternoon, I realized the boogeyman was ME.
I get it that abortion and euthanasia place our feet at the top of a slippery slope that can lead to horrendous outcomes if not strictly reigned. All because of well intentioned people's wish to end suffering. Even in this thread, some people are taking it and running with it to a place I never intended.
Interesting ideas. Very troubling, as well.

Reality can be very troubling.

 

[TNHarley]

People need to start facing the fact that our great great grandkids will probably face genocide, forced sterilization or selective breeding.
7 billion people on this planet and half are stupid as fuck. People starve, people die from dehydration, terrorists, religious fanatics, corrupt leaders.. Goddamn, we fucking suck!

 

[OldLady]

I just finished reading The Giver with a student. It's a dystopian novel for young people and it came out long after I had left school, so I never read it before. I kept scratching my head the whole way through wondering who exactly the boogeyman was that the author was warning about--and participating in this thread yesterday afternoon, I realized the boogeyman was ME.
I get it that abortion and euthanasia place our feet at the top of a slippery slope that can lead to horrendous outcomes if not strictly reigned. All because of well intentioned people's wish to end suffering. Even in this thread, some people are taking it and running with it to a place I never intended.
Interesting ideas. Very troubling, as well.

Reality can be very troubling.

Indeed. Also some color blindness involved, I think.

 

[TNHarley]

I just finished reading The Giver with a student. It's a dystopian novel for young people and it came out long after I had left school, so I never read it before. I kept scratching my head the whole way through wondering who exactly the boogeyman was that the author was warning about--and participating in this thread yesterday afternoon, I realized the boogeyman was ME.
I get it that abortion and euthanasia place our feet at the top of a slippery slope that can lead to horrendous outcomes if not strictly reigned. All because of well intentioned people's wish to end suffering. Even in this thread, some people are taking it and running with it to a place I never intended.
Interesting ideas. Very troubling, as well.

Reality can be very troubling.

Indeed. Also some color blindness involved, I think.

What do you mean?

 

[NightFox]

People need to start facing the fact that our great great grandkids will probably face genocide, forced sterilization or selective breeding.
7 billion people on this planet and half are stupid as fuck. People starve, people die from dehydration, terrorists, religious fanatics, corrupt leaders.. Goddamn, we fucking suck!

Sheesh TN....one might be tempted to suggest that you dial back just a tad on that effusive exuberance you got going on this morning.

 

[OldLady]

I just finished reading The Giver with a student. It's a dystopian novel for young people and it came out long after I had left school, so I never read it before. I kept scratching my head the whole way through wondering who exactly the boogeyman was that the author was warning about--and participating in this thread yesterday afternoon, I realized the boogeyman was ME.
I get it that abortion and euthanasia place our feet at the top of a slippery slope that can lead to horrendous outcomes if not strictly reigned. All because of well intentioned people's wish to end suffering. Even in this thread, some people are taking it and running with it to a place I never intended.
Interesting ideas. Very troubling, as well.

Reality can be very troubling.

Indeed. Also some color blindness involved, I think.

What do you mean?

The "Are You An Optimist?" site we all visited yesterday, Mr. Realist.

 

[TNHarley]

People need to start facing the fact that our great great grandkids will probably face genocide, forced sterilization or selective breeding.
7 billion people on this planet and half are stupid as fuck. People starve, people die from dehydration, terrorists, religious fanatics, corrupt leaders.. Goddamn, we fucking suck!

Sheesh TN....one might be tempted to suggest that you dial back just a tad on that effusive exuberance you got going on this morning.

Lol wtf I don't speak French