America: “You have the RIGHT to an attorney”.....but not a doctor right guys?

Debt. Start paying up. (You knew how stupid your point was before making it)


Oh, you want to talk about debt? Great, lets start with the FACT that obama increased our national debt from 9 trillion to almost 20 trillion in 8 years, more than all other presidents combined. Yeah, lets talk debt and which party's policies have created most of it.

Trump's military expenditures were all funded by congress and included in the budget. do you really want to get into this?

Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).



The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.


I wish you would be honest. Obama doubled the debt, nothing you can say changes that.

And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.
 
Top 10 Reasons People Go Bankrupt | HuffPost

Nobody should have to file for bankruptcy because they get sick.


they don't. What that article fails to accurately describe is that, yes, most bankruptcies include some medical bills, but no bankruptcies occur only because of medical bills. It also does not address the FACT that unpaid medical bills are almost always written off by the hospital or medical provider. Medical providers do not take people to court for unpaid medical bills.

your article is bullshit

Of course bankruptcies are because of medical bills. Yes, if you are going to file you are going to include everything but those other things are getting paid without the medical bills.

No one should have to file for bankruptcy because they get sick.


no one files bankruptcy simply because they get sick. Thats a bullshit lie.
Happens all the time
What do you think happens with overwhelming medical bills?


they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?
 
Oh, you want to talk about debt? Great, lets start with the FACT that obama increased our national debt from 9 trillion to almost 20 trillion in 8 years, more than all other presidents combined. Yeah, lets talk debt and which party's policies have created most of it.

Trump's military expenditures were all funded by congress and included in the budget. do you really want to get into this?

Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).



The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.


I wish you would be honest. Obama doubled the debt, nothing you can say changes that.

And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.

Lol. Granted I suppose you can argue that our military is incapable since they can't accomplish anything in places like Afghanistan but that's been the case for 60 years and is still the case.
 
they don't. What that article fails to accurately describe is that, yes, most bankruptcies include some medical bills, but no bankruptcies occur only because of medical bills. It also does not address the FACT that unpaid medical bills are almost always written off by the hospital or medical provider. Medical providers do not take people to court for unpaid medical bills.

your article is bullshit

Of course bankruptcies are because of medical bills. Yes, if you are going to file you are going to include everything but those other things are getting paid without the medical bills.

No one should have to file for bankruptcy because they get sick.


no one files bankruptcy simply because they get sick. Thats a bullshit lie.
Happens all the time
What do you think happens with overwhelming medical bills?


they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?


who are they? give us some valid stats, not propaganda.

We who pay have always paid the medical bills of those who cannot or will not. nothing new there. Why do you think your hospital charges you $5 for an aspirin? because they gave it free to the 50 in front of you in line.
 
Obama did. See I do not deny that nor did I support much of anything Obama did so yours really is not a valid rebuttal.

The budget was not funded. It ran us into another trillion dollars in debt (just like Obama).



The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.


I wish you would be honest. Obama doubled the debt, nothing you can say changes that.

And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.

Lol. Granted I suppose you can argue that our military is incapable since they can't accomplish anything in places like Afghanistan but that's been the case for 60 years and is still the case.


the Afghanistan mess is very similar to viet nam, our generals could win it in a week or two if they were allowed to actually try to defeat the enemy.
 
Of course bankruptcies are because of medical bills. Yes, if you are going to file you are going to include everything but those other things are getting paid without the medical bills.

No one should have to file for bankruptcy because they get sick.


no one files bankruptcy simply because they get sick. Thats a bullshit lie.
Happens all the time
What do you think happens with overwhelming medical bills?


they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?


who are they? give us some valid stats, not propaganda.

We who pay have always paid the medical bills of those who cannot or will not. nothing new there. Why do you think your hospital charges you $5 for an aspirin? because they gave it free to the 50 in front of you in line.

I've provided the link.
 
The thing is Obama didn't do that.

The bush boy took our national debt to nearly 13 trillion dollars. He kept most of his wars off the general budget. Funding for it was mostly done by "emergency" spending bills. When Obama took office that debt was added to the general budget. Over night it shot up from 10 trillion to nearly 13 trillion dollars.

Obama started with a national debt of just short of 13 trillion dollars. He took that debt up to 19. trillion.

He added 6 trillion to the national debt. He also slashed the deficit by nearly 1 trillion dollars. The bush boy left a new historic high in deficit and over 1 trillion for the first time in our history. That deficit was 1.4 trillion when Obama took office. When Obama left office it was 400 and something billion. Which is nearly 1 trillion decrease in deficit. If he had more time or the republicans had worked with him, he would have eliminated that deficit and started to work on lowering the debt, just as Clinton was doing. Then the bush boy came along and blew it all up.

Obama got at least a little control on it but trump is president now and it's back to being out of control.

I really wish people would be honest.


I wish you would be honest. Obama doubled the debt, nothing you can say changes that.

And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.

Lol. Granted I suppose you can argue that our military is incapable since they can't accomplish anything in places like Afghanistan but that's been the case for 60 years and is still the case.


the Afghanistan mess is very similar to viet nam, our generals could win it in a week or two if they were allowed to actually try to defeat the enemy.

I thought you said the military was understaffed?
 
Food is more necessary than healthcare.

Housing is more necessary than healthcare.

Expect the Communist / Socialist wing of the Democrat party to soon demand more free stuff.

All of it is more important than wars to prop up wall street but no one ever asks how we will pay for that.
On the contrary, every military action is faced with demands to know how we'll pay for it.

I guess I missed the bills to pay for them. We aren't paying for them.
If you pay taxes, you do.
 
Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. In fact if you cant afford one the govt literally says “one will be provided to you” free of charge. Wow. Thats pretty amazing.

But get sick? OOOOOHHHH NO....now you don’t have the right to someones service.

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

And you wonder why PRESIDENT BERNIE SANDERS is going to happen? This is why. And its past due.

Funny how leftist points always seem to hinge on them being ignorant.

Here's what the actual Miranda warning says:

Miranda-Rights-300x169.png


Please notice that it does not say, "A right to an attorney". That's only in TV shows and movies. What it actually says is 1) you have the right to talk to a lawyer before questioning, 2) you have a right to have a lawyer present during questioning, and 3) if you can't afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before questioning.

What that means, oh witless one, is that the government and its agents cannot prevent you from seeking legal advice. As for "one will be appointed to you", that does NOT necessarily mean you get it for free. See, if you call a lawyer and hire him on your own, he's going to make you pay a retainer fee up front. If you tell the court that you can't afford to do that, then they will ask you questions about your income and financial means, and then assign you a place on a sliding-fee scale, which you then owe and have to make payments on after the fact, unless you're completely indigent.

And guess what? Seeing a doctor has a very similar system. Poor people do have the ability to see a doctor in an emergency, and their income and ability to pay is then assessed and they either get billed later or they get signed up for Medicaid.

But a right to the services of another person for free? No in both cases.
 
Its like “Oh he cant afford to protect himself in court, so, his govt will provide this basic dignity for its people.”

But then “Hes sick? Screw him let him suffer and die. Thats what he gets for not being able to afford it.”
Uhhh, hospitals have to accept you if you are gravely ill whether you can pay or not.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia

And they send you a bill. Which isnt free. Attorneys are free

Nope.
 
no one files bankruptcy simply because they get sick. Thats a bullshit lie.
Happens all the time
What do you think happens with overwhelming medical bills?


they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?


who are they? give us some valid stats, not propaganda.

We who pay have always paid the medical bills of those who cannot or will not. nothing new there. Why do you think your hospital charges you $5 for an aspirin? because they gave it free to the 50 in front of you in line.

I've provided the link.


you provided a link to a propaganda site, not a valid link to factual data.

It is true that most bankruptcy filings have some medical bills listed in them, But it is not true that americans are filing bankruptcy solely due to medical bills..
 
I wish you would be honest. Obama doubled the debt, nothing you can say changes that.

And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.

Lol. Granted I suppose you can argue that our military is incapable since they can't accomplish anything in places like Afghanistan but that's been the case for 60 years and is still the case.


the Afghanistan mess is very similar to viet nam, our generals could win it in a week or two if they were allowed to actually try to defeat the enemy.

I thought you said the military was understaffed?


understaffed was probably not the right word. The equipment was old and had not been maintained, spare parts were not available. but even with old and tired equipment we could have ended viet nam and afghanistan in a very short time if our military was allowed to do what it took to end them.
 
Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. In fact if you cant afford one the govt literally says “one will be provided to you” free of charge. Wow. Thats pretty amazing.

But get sick? OOOOOHHHH NO....now you don’t have the right to someones service.

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

And you wonder why PRESIDENT BERNIE SANDERS is going to happen? This is why. And its past due.
lol you want to make docs slaves? You must be a democrat
 
Food is more necessary than healthcare.

Housing is more necessary than healthcare.

Expect the Communist / Socialist wing of the Democrat party to soon demand more free stuff.

All of it is more important than wars to prop up wall street but no one ever asks how we will pay for that.
On the contrary, every military action is faced with demands to know how we'll pay for it.

I guess I missed the bills to pay for them. We aren't paying for them.
If you pay taxes, you do.

Great. Then by your standard, health care and education is already being for.
 
Happens all the time
What do you think happens with overwhelming medical bills?


they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?


who are they? give us some valid stats, not propaganda.

We who pay have always paid the medical bills of those who cannot or will not. nothing new there. Why do you think your hospital charges you $5 for an aspirin? because they gave it free to the 50 in front of you in line.

I've provided the link.


you provided a link to a propaganda site, not a valid link to factual data.

It is true that most bankruptcy filings have some medical bills listed in them, But it is not true that americans are filing bankruptcy solely due to medical bills..

Nearly every single site you can find will state the same thing.
 
And Trump has been adding to it by a trillion a year.


Yes, and I don't like that. But he was left with an incapable understaffed military that had to be rebuilt.

the real issue here is entitlement spending, and every one of the dem candidates want to increase that, so get ready for more taxes and huge deficits if any of those clowns ever gets in power.

Lol. Granted I suppose you can argue that our military is incapable since they can't accomplish anything in places like Afghanistan but that's been the case for 60 years and is still the case.


the Afghanistan mess is very similar to viet nam, our generals could win it in a week or two if they were allowed to actually try to defeat the enemy.

I thought you said the military was understaffed?


understaffed was probably not the right word. The equipment was old and had not been maintained, spare parts were not available. but even with old and tired equipment we could have ended viet nam and afghanistan in a very short time if our military was allowed to do what it took to end them.

You sure do like to make stuff up.
 
Let us sort this ridiculous attempt at analogy out. Government law enforcement arrests you and charges you with crimes that can result in imprisonment. If you cannot afford a lawyer, the state will do whatever it wants and you essentially are going to prison or whatever the consequence of the crime you may or may not have committed. We see this today even with smart lawyers as they battle the Butthurt Obama/Crooked Hillary Deep State. So on one hand the government compromises and provides counsel, a public defender to help your case against the prosecution which may or may not be corrupt. And on the other hand, you demand a personal physician to address an inherited or acquired disease or injury that the government had nothing to do with. Seem like apples and oranges!

A more relevant analogy is American citizens who pay for insurance demanding behavior modification of folks who do not pay insurance and get free medical in American emergency rooms. For example, a gangbanger shooting a rival gangbangers costs tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills that gets passed to normal citizens. Low IQ folks getting pregnant costs tens of thousands for each instance, that gets passed to normal citizens. How about equal rights to law abiding, normal American citizens!
The distinction between the State taking away a person's freedom and a person not having healthcare is a challenge.
 
Food is more necessary than healthcare.

Housing is more necessary than healthcare.

Expect the Communist / Socialist wing of the Democrat party to soon demand more free stuff.

All of it is more important than wars to prop up wall street but no one ever asks how we will pay for that.
On the contrary, every military action is faced with demands to know how we'll pay for it.

I guess I missed the bills to pay for them. We aren't paying for them.
If you pay taxes, you do.

Great. Then by your standard, health care and education is already being for.
If it were, we would not be paying for insurance or tuition. We are.

The bottom line is, defense is constitutionally mandated, while health care and education is not.
 
they get written off by the medical provider, no one files bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. YOU are lying as you do every day on this board.

Tell that to those who have to file bankruptcy over their medical bills.

Besides, why do you want them wrote off so that you end up paying for them?


who are they? give us some valid stats, not propaganda.

We who pay have always paid the medical bills of those who cannot or will not. nothing new there. Why do you think your hospital charges you $5 for an aspirin? because they gave it free to the 50 in front of you in line.

I've provided the link.


you provided a link to a propaganda site, not a valid link to factual data.

It is true that most bankruptcy filings have some medical bills listed in them, But it is not true that americans are filing bankruptcy solely due to medical bills..

Nearly every single site you can find will state the same thing.
There's no dispute that most bankruptcies are caused by illness or loss of job causing loss of insurance
 

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