Any Privacy Difference Between Nat. Voter Registry & Nat. Gun Registry?

Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?


Because the anti gunner courts keep ignoring previous Supreme Court Rulings and the democrats keep trying to get around the law...

Articles: Hillary: Impose Gun Control by Judicial Fiat



Hillary’s focus on repealing the PLCAA seems strange: it’s been on the books for eleven years, it was passed by 2-1 bipartisan majorities (65-31 Senate, 283-144 House), and every suit it has blocked is one that should never have been filed. Yet oppose it Hillary does. Her campaign webpage proposes to “Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.” She told the Bridgeport News that “as president, I would lead the charge to repeal this law.” In Iowa, she called the PLCAA “one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress.”

But, even given her anti-gun beliefs, why does Hillary place so high a priority on repealing some eleven-year-old statute?

The papers found in her husband’s presidential archives in Little Rock show why the lawsuits that the PLCAA stopped were so important to his anti-gun plans. A January 2000 question and answer document, probably meant to prepare Bill Clinton for a press conference, asks about his involvement in the lawsuits against the gun industry. It suggests as an answer that he “intends to engage the gun industry in negotiations” to “achieve meaningful reforms to the way the gun industry does business.” The memo suggests he close with “We want real reforms that will improve the public safety and save lives.”

This is noteworthy: the Clinton White House did not see the lawsuits’ purpose as winning money, but as a means to pressure the gun industry into adopting the Clinton “reforms.” What might those reforms have been?

The Clinton Presidential Archives answered that question, too. In December 1999, the “Office of the Deputy Secretary” (presumably of Treasury) had sent a fax to the fax line for Clinton’s White House Domestic Policy Council. The fax laid out a proposed settlement of the legal cases. The terms were very well designed. They would have given the antigun movements all the victories that it had been unable to win in Congress over the past twenty years! Moreover, the terms would be imposed by a court order, not by a statute. That meant that any violation could be prosecuted as a contempt of court, by the parties to the lawsuit rather than by the government. A future Congress could not repeal the judgment, and a future White House could not block its enforcement. The settlement would have a permanent existence outside the democratic process.

The terms were extensive and drastic:

Gun manufacturers must stop producing firearms (rifle, pistol, or shotguns) that could accept detachable magazines holding more than ten rounds. In practice, since there is no way to design a detachable-magazine firearm that cannot take larger magazines, this would mean ceasing production of all firearms with detachable magazines. No more semiauto handguns.

The manufacturers would be required to stop production of magazines holding more than ten rounds.

Manufacturers must also stop production of firearms with polymer frames. All handguns made must meet importation standards (long barrels, target sights, etc.).

After five years, manufacturers must produce nothing but “smart guns” (that is, using “authorized user technology”).

But those conditions were just the beginning. The next requirement was the key to regulating all licensed firearms dealers, as well. The manufacturers must agree to sell only to distributors and dealers who agreed to comply with the standards set for distributors and dealers. Thus dealers would were not parties to the lawsuits would be forced to comply, upon pain of being unable to buy inventory.

The dealers in turn must agree:

They’d make no sales at gun shows, and no sales over internet.

They’d hold their customers to one-gun-a-month, for all types of guns, not just handguns.

They would not sell used or new magazines holding more than ten rounds.

They would not sell any firearm that fell within the definitions of the 1994 “assault weapon ban,” even if the ban expired.

They must prove they have a minimum inventory of each manufacturers’ product, and that they derive a majority of their revenue from firearms or sporting equipment sales. No more small town hardware store dealers, and no more WalMarts with gun sections.

The manufacturers would be required to pay for a “monitor,” a person to make sure the settlement was enforced. The monitor would create a “sales data clearinghouse,” to which the manufacturers, distributors, and dealers must report each gun sale, thus creating a registration system, outside of the government and thus not covered by the Privacy Act.

The monitor would have the authority to hire investigators, inspect dealer records without notice, and to “conduct undercover sting operations.” The monitor would thus serve as a private BATFE, without the legal restrictions that bind that agency, and paid for by the gun industry itself.

The manufacturers must cut off any dealer who failed to comply, and whenever BATFE traced a gun to a dealer, the dealer would be presumed guilty unless he could prove himself innocent. (BATFE encourages police departments to trace every firearm that comes into their hands, including firearms turned in, lost and found, and recovered from thieves. As a result, it performs over 300,000 traces a year. Thus, this term would lead to many dealers being cut off and forced to prove their innocence on a regular basis).

Gun registration, one gun a month, magazines limited to ten rounds, no Glocks, no guns with detachable magazines (in effect, no semiauto handguns), no dealers at gun shows, an “assault weapon ban” in perpetuity, no internet sales. In short, the movement to restrict gun owners would have achieved, in one stroke, every objective it had labored for over the years -- indeed, it would have achieved some that (a ban on semiauto handguns) that were so bold it had never dared to propose them. All this would be achieved without the messy necessity of winning a majority vote in Congress.
 
So how is a gun registry supposed to work when only people who don't break the law register their guns?

Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.
 
Mandatory storage laws are UnConstitutional as per the D.C. v. Heller decision......


The law was upheld by both the district court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In upholding the law, the Ninth Circuit recognized that unlike the District of Columbia law at issue in Heller v. District of Columbia,44 the San Francisco ordinance does not prohibit a person from carrying a loaded handgun while in his or her home.


It is not the federal government's business... you anti-gun nutters need to control your cowardice

US v Miller.


What about Miller?
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.
 

Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.
Quit falling down the well, no one has a right to cars Dipshit.
Any type of firearm registry of any sort is absolutely unconstitutional… So go back and hide in your mothers basement little Nutter....

It's an analogy jackass. Auto registrations have all but eliminated auto theft .
Vehicle ownership is not a right… Jack weed

Could I not be clearer on an analogy of a successful system . Which by the way doesn't hinder your right to own guns.
Firearm ownership is none of the federal government's business… There is no need for a firearm registry, anyway it's absolutely unconstitutional. You need to quit falling down well
 
So how is a gun registry supposed to work when only people who don't break the law register their guns?

Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.


They can't legally own a gun, buy a gun or carry a gun......long guns, they may be able to have a parent buy the gun....

the 17 year old career gang members get guns illegally....they do not go through background checks, they can't buy, own or carry guns, and they wouldn't license their guns, since again, they can't legally buy, own or carry a gun, and because of the Haynes v. United States ruling, they wouldn't even have to register their illegal gun......

Stealing guns is the primary way they are getting their guns....
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?
 
So how is a gun registry supposed to work when only people who don't break the law register their guns?

Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.
It's easy to steal weapons from other criminals… It's the nature of them
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?


The 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments say so.......and the made up right to privacy......you know, the one you guys made up...if you can kill your baby because of a Right to privacy then there is no government right to know if you own a gun....
 
Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.


They can't legally own a gun, buy a gun or carry a gun......long guns, they may be able to have a parent buy the gun....

the 17 year old career gang members get guns illegally....they do not go through background checks, they can't buy, own or carry guns, and they wouldn't license their guns, since again, they can't legally buy, own or carry a gun, and because of the Haynes v. United States ruling, they wouldn't even have to register their illegal gun......

Stealing guns is the primary way they are getting their guns....

Enough of your HAYNES bullshit. That was about self incrimination. You catch someone with an illegal gun there's a shitload of charges they are already facing .
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?
Show us in the Constitution were firearm ownership is any of the federal government business?
Only cowards would want a firearm registry. Please quit falling down the well
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?


The 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments say so.......and the made up right to privacy......you know, the one you guys made up...if you can kill your baby because of a Right to privacy then there is no government right to know if you own a gun....

So it doesn't say gun registration is illegal .
 
So how is a gun registry supposed to work when only people who don't break the law register their guns?

Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.


Britain is an island nation...they have banned and confiscated guns......and yet...their 17 year olds are also getting guns....how is that possible...

Liverpool youngster warns gun crime is 'creating fear in our city'

Young Liverpool FC star Trent Alexander-Arnold has encouraged children to stay away from street gangs and warned that gun crime is creating “fear in our city.”

Last month saw a spate of violence across Liverpool, with teenager Yusuf Sonko shot dead in Toxteth amid several other shooting incidents.

There were 11 shootings in June, including 10 over a 23-day period.

The Sonko murder followed a series of fatal shootings over the last year, which saw the deaths of Mark Hillman, Blake Brown, Thomas Baker and Aaron Lewis - and more than 30 other injury shootings.

Alexander-Arnold, from West Derby, called in to St Ambrose Primary in Speke to encourage local kids to stay away from gangs.

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“Gang and gun crime is a massive problem ...creating fear in our city. James’s workshops and message enable children to understand the realities and dangers and how to keep themselves safe. It’s a great project and message, and I hope other local sportspeople get involved so we can inspire and make our city a safer place for everyone.”
 
Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?
Show us in the Constitution were firearm ownership is any of the federal government business?
Only cowards would want a firearm registry. Please quit falling down the well

"Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ". Ala being able to walk down the street without some nut job blowing my head off.
 
You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?


The 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments say so.......and the made up right to privacy......you know, the one you guys made up...if you can kill your baby because of a Right to privacy then there is no government right to know if you own a gun....

So it doesn't say gun registration is illegal .


Yeah....it does.....read those Amendments genius.......
 
Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.


Britain is an island nation...they have banned and confiscated guns......and yet...their 17 year olds are also getting guns....how is that possible...

Liverpool youngster warns gun crime is 'creating fear in our city'

Young Liverpool FC star Trent Alexander-Arnold has encouraged children to stay away from street gangs and warned that gun crime is creating “fear in our city.”

Last month saw a spate of violence across Liverpool, with teenager Yusuf Sonko shot dead in Toxteth amid several other shooting incidents.

There were 11 shootings in June, including 10 over a 23-day period.

The Sonko murder followed a series of fatal shootings over the last year, which saw the deaths of Mark Hillman, Blake Brown, Thomas Baker and Aaron Lewis - and more than 30 other injury shootings.

Alexander-Arnold, from West Derby, called in to St Ambrose Primary in Speke to encourage local kids to stay away from gangs.

--------

“Gang and gun crime is a massive problem ...creating fear in our city. James’s workshops and message enable children to understand the realities and dangers and how to keep themselves safe. It’s a great project and message, and I hope other local sportspeople get involved so we can inspire and make our city a safer place for everyone.”

Nothing is 100%.

You want to compare englands gun crime stats wh ours?
 
You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?
Show us in the Constitution were firearm ownership is any of the federal government business?
Only cowards would want a firearm registry. Please quit falling down the well

"Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ". Ala being able to walk down the street without some nut job blowing my head off.


That is why we have the 2nd Amendment......to keep those guys from doing it to you...
 
I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals . This is a major probleM in the us .

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?
Quit falling down the well, any type of firearm registry is unconstitutional.

More frivolous gun laws have proven to be absolutely inept in violent crime prevention....

No it's not unconstitutional. It doesn't interfere with anyone's right to bear arms .

It's the gun nuts states lack of laws that pollute everyone else's attempts .
its an infringement, therefore unconstitutional
 
Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed
The laws on the books have been systematically weakened to the point of obvious ineffectiveness by the gun lobby. It's no secret. It's their motto and is pretty clearly evidenced.

What does this mean for the laws and enforcement? Nothing good. Like I laid out earlier, it's easy for buyers to purchase and sell into the black market. If you don't believe me, try looking it up rather than covering your ears and eyes and shouting fake news.


How have they been weakened dipshit? Throwing that out, straight from your ass is meaningless....the problem is democrats keep letting violent criminals back onto the streets...including the same people you want arrested for trafficking in guns...

Notice who is trying to keep gun criminals in jail...the NRA...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

The real question is why is it so easy for a 17 yr old to get a gun.


Britain is an island nation...they have banned and confiscated guns......and yet...their 17 year olds are also getting guns....how is that possible...

Liverpool youngster warns gun crime is 'creating fear in our city'

Young Liverpool FC star Trent Alexander-Arnold has encouraged children to stay away from street gangs and warned that gun crime is creating “fear in our city.”

Last month saw a spate of violence across Liverpool, with teenager Yusuf Sonko shot dead in Toxteth amid several other shooting incidents.

There were 11 shootings in June, including 10 over a 23-day period.

The Sonko murder followed a series of fatal shootings over the last year, which saw the deaths of Mark Hillman, Blake Brown, Thomas Baker and Aaron Lewis - and more than 30 other injury shootings.

Alexander-Arnold, from West Derby, called in to St Ambrose Primary in Speke to encourage local kids to stay away from gangs.

--------

“Gang and gun crime is a massive problem ...creating fear in our city. James’s workshops and message enable children to understand the realities and dangers and how to keep themselves safe. It’s a great project and message, and I hope other local sportspeople get involved so we can inspire and make our city a safer place for everyone.”

Nothing is 100%.

You want to compare englands gun crime stats wh ours?


Yes......their gun crime rate went up 42% in London last year....our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought and carried guns.....
 
You REALLY WANT to DO that??? Ok if you have ever had a dui you cant purchase a car, If you have ever been in an accident you cant purchase a car. If you have ever been CHARGED WITH domestic violence or spousal abuse, you may use your car to go to her house and you can't purchase a car. Before you can purchase a car they will do a background check and if you have ever had a serious moving violation, say failure to stop, reckless driving, NO insurance, and a host of other violations you will be denied the privilege of owning a car OR obtaining a drivers license. All dealers will be required to fill out a form that gives a complete background before you can purchase a car, and there will be a fifteen day waiting period in quite a few states before you can get your car. If you are convicted of ANY felony you cant own any car and you must surrender your cars to some government agency. To be able to drive your car in any area around a church, school, or any area where large groups of people gather you will have to have a background check that is the same as an applicant for a job with the FBI and your permit to do so will be reviewed by the current holder of the highest law enforcement office locally before it is issued. WANT MORE STUPID LIBERAL? Having a drivers license is not a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED right it IS a privilege according to most issuing agencies.

You are right , we have 2nd protection. So why the freak out over "gun confiscation " when that would be blatently illegal ?
It's none of the federal government's business on firearm ownership, that's why a firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional.

And where is that written in the constitution?

You want people to provide cat scan results before they can vote , but gun Registration is rediculous ?
Show us in the Constitution were firearm ownership is any of the federal government business?
Only cowards would want a firearm registry. Please quit falling down the well

"Life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ". Ala being able to walk down the street without some nut job blowing my head off.
People kill people, firearms do not, I've never even heard of a firearm chasing someone down the street from killing them. You need to quit falling down well
 

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